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13:59:44 <emma> zakim,  this will be lld
13:59:44 <Zakim> ok, emma; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:50 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:07 <Zakim> +Peter_Murray
14:00:29 <Zakim> +emma
14:00:29 <pmurray> I'm on the phone -- anyone else here?
14:00:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:00:59 <Zakim> +??P28
14:01:03 <emma> Meeting; LLD XG editorial telecon
14:01:11 <tbaker> zakim, IPcaller is tbaker
14:01:18 <emma> zakim, ??P28 is kcoyle
14:01:19 <Zakim> +tbaker; got it
14:01:23 <Zakim> +kcoyle; got it
14:01:33 <emma> Chair: Tom 
14:02:18 <emma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Sep/0380.html
14:02:36 <emma> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-lld-minutes.html
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14:03:03 <Zakim> +Jodi
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14:04:40 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:04:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-lld-minutes.html emma
14:05:24 <Zakim> +??P49
14:05:33 <tbaker> zakim, ??p49 is antoine
14:05:33 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
14:05:34 <antoine> zakim, ??P49 is me
14:05:34 <Zakim> I already had ??P49 as antoine, antoine
14:06:16 <emma> Scribe: Emmanuelle
14:06:17 <emma> scribenick: emma
14:09:31 <emma> Next telecon will be within 2 weeks on sept. 29th
14:09:42 <emma> TOPIC: executive summary
14:10:07 <emma> Tomb: it's done
14:11:25 <emma> Jodi: need to emphasize (bold) the target audience for recommendations
14:11:34 <emma> ... can do it in the wiki
14:12:06 <emma> Action: antoine to bold audience in exec summ
14:12:31 <emma> TOPIC: scope of the report
14:12:48 <emma> Tomb: done except IRIs addition
14:13:00 <emma> ... but has been fixed now
14:13:13 <emma> Antoine: yes, done.
14:13:28 <antoine> is http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary ok?
14:13:34 <emma> TOPIC: benefits
14:14:17 <emma> Peter: edits have been made, so done
14:14:49 <emma> TOPIC: recommendations
14:15:20 <emma>           Edsu and others to fix the first sentence of http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Design_and_test_user_services_
14:17:15 <emma> Tomb: "should" too strong in that sentence -> "could"
14:17:26 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_recommendations_page_take2&diff=6505&oldid=6364
14:17:28 <emma> ... now we can declare the section done
14:17:52 <emma> TOPIC: appendix A
14:17:58 <emma> lots of edits were lost
14:18:08 <emma> s/lots/kcoyle: lots
14:18:15 <emma> Tomb: done
14:18:25 <emma> TOPIC: appendix B
14:18:32 <emma> Peter: its ok
14:18:48 <emma> TOPIC: deliverable B
14:18:50 <antoine> karen, just to check: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section2&diff=6477&oldid=6427 ?
14:19:29 <emma> Karen: to be done = put tables in alphabetical order
14:19:40 <emma> ... if we do it in the wiki, the diff will be useless
14:20:02 <emma> ... so we should do it only if the editing is done
14:20:41 <antoine> and we have to finish the acks...
14:21:27 <antoine> q+
14:21:37 <antoine> q-
14:22:17 <emma> karen: ack the individual cases ?
14:25:24 <emma> Antoine: volunteer to add them to ack's (except cases submitted by ourselves)
14:26:34 <tbaker> Owen Stephens contributed experience report from the JISC Open Bibliographic Data Guide. 
14:27:06 <jodi> We also gratefully acknowledge information from the JISC Open Bibliographic Data Guide by Owen Stephens.
14:27:57 <jodi> We also gratefully acknowledge information about the JISC Open Bibliographic Data Guide provided by Owen Stephens.
14:28:32 <jodi> We also gratefully acknowledge information about the JISC Open Bibliographic Data Guide provided by Owen Stephens, as well as the data guide itself which provided the basis for several cases.
14:29:15 <emma> TOPIC: Deliverable C
14:29:59 <emma> Jodi: it needs another pass
14:33:06 <emma> ... it's very detailed so we have to check everything is clear and understandable
14:36:50 <emma> Karen: we need to make it more readable in HTML : a lot of links, many are repeated
14:38:12 <emma> ... depends on how it's going to be used
14:39:35 <emma> TomB: do we want to publish all the deliverables in the same time ? deliverable C may take more time
14:39:51 <emma> ... proposed to publish deliverable A and B
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14:44:40 <emma> rrsagent, please make record public
14:44:56 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:44:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-lld-minutes.html emma
14:46:00 <emma> Meeting: LLD XG editorial telecon
14:46:13 <tbaker> q+ to point out that the wording "This inventory, presented in a side deliverable @@@CITE@@@" in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section2 (in several places) needs to be changed
14:49:52 <emma> Antoine: in the HTML, the links will be to the scenarios
14:50:11 <emma> ... and the summaries in deliverable B
14:51:22 <pmurray> A heads up.  I have a conference call at the top of the hour, so I might drop off soon.  Jodi and Karen, can we schedule a Skype call to divvy up the tasks of converting to HTML?
14:51:30 <jodi> sure, Peter
14:51:46 <pmurray> s/might/will/
14:53:09 <emma> Jodi: just change how usage examples are presented, not remove them
14:56:08 <emma> Antoine: we would use a HTML trick that would expand usage examples only when you click on it
14:56:16 <tbaker> +1 for Usage Examples button that expands, and putting the links there
14:56:52 <Zakim> -Peter_Murray
14:56:55 <emma> Action: karen, Peter and Jodi to put expandable buttons for usage links in deliverable C
14:57:49 <tbaker> ack tbaker
14:57:49 <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to point out that the wording "This inventory, presented in a side deliverable @@@CITE@@@" in
14:57:52 <Zakim> ... http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section2 (in several places) needs to be changed
14:58:03 <emma> Karen: we should try the HTML transformation in order to evaluate the work
14:59:29 <emma> TomB: target date for pubication is hard coded in the directory name where we put the deliverables
14:59:38 <emma> s/pubication/publication
14:59:52 <emma> Karen: we need to evaluate the work first, in order to set up a date
15:00:44 <emma> TomB: we can edit docs somewhere else and move them when we know the date. The other option is to edit them at the expected final destination.
15:01:24 <emma> ... we then rely on security by obscurity. Danger: people could find the link.
15:01:38 <emma> ... we would need a header to indicated that it's not finished.
15:02:13 <emma> Karen: we could share a space, dropbox for instance, and then publish them when they are ready.
15:02:47 <emma> TomB: if we want to work on the W3C site, we need to use CVS, give a SSH key...
15:03:25 <emma> Jodi: the links to the documents themselves are relatively limited.
15:04:15 <emma> Karen: main work will be on formatting, we need to do that before moving to W3C site;
15:05:13 <emma> Action: Karen, Peter and Jodi to meet and discuss HTML transformation + dropbox
15:06:47 <emma> TomB: any restrictions on editing deliverable C ?
15:08:12 <emma> ... make sure to save frequently when working on the wiki
15:08:33 <Zakim> -Jodi
15:08:33 <emma> See http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalEditing
15:08:36 <Zakim> -kcoyle
15:08:46 <emma> zakim, please list attendees
15:08:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Peter_Murray, emma, tbaker, kcoyle, Jodi, antoine
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15:08:54 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:08:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-lld-minutes.html emma
15:09:35 <emma> zakim, bye
15:09:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Peter_Murray, emma, tbaker, kcoyle, Jodi, antoine
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15:09:40 <emma> rrsagent, bye
15:09:40 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-lld-actions.rdf :
15:09:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: antoine to bold audience in exec summ [1]
15:09:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-lld-irc#T14-12-06
15:09:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: karen, Peter and Jodi to put expandable buttons for usage links in deliverable C [2]
15:09:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-lld-irc#T14-56-55
15:09:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karen, Peter and Jodi to meet and discuss HTML transformation + dropbox [3]
15:09:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/15-lld-irc#T15-05-13