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14:11:56 <Andi> Meeting: AAPI
14:12:09 <Andi> Chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:12:45 <Andi> topic: bug 13246
14:13:00 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13246
14:14:44 <Andi> CS: have started thinking about this - need help from the Windows team - should be able to get to them next week
14:15:12 <Andi> topic: Issues and Action
14:15:14 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
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14:17:33 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property
14:17:40 <Andi> ISSUE-459?
14:19:07 <Andi> s/ISSUE-459?//
14:19:25 <Andi> AS: what should happen in MSAA if it's not hidden?
14:19:35 <Andi> CS: think it should be exposed whether hidden or not
14:20:25 <Andi> CS: In both cases, take text children from the referenced element and create a string and expose in AccDescription 
14:21:37 <Andi> AS: "expose as text string in accDescription" and link to Name and Description Calculation section
14:28:18 <Andi> Issue-454
14:28:33 <Andi> CS: shouldn't need to use aria-hidden - display:none should be sufficient
14:29:06 <cyns> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#def_hidden
14:30:08 <Andi> CS: think the definition is wrong
14:30:26 <Andi> AS: that would be a normative change
14:30:43 <Andi> CS: not going to do for ARIA 1.0 - this should be added to 2.0 or the errata
14:36:00 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events
14:37:15 <Andi> AS: look at second table in 5.8.2
14:37:45 <Andi> AS: first row defines what happens when a subtree is hidden - do these things also happen for display:none?
14:39:04 <Andi> AS: do we want to get into describing behavior for CSS in this document?
14:39:11 <Andi> AS: UAIG is about implementing WAI-ARIA
14:39:40 <Andi> CS: at most, we could add a note saying the same thing happens on display:none but not visibility:hidden
14:41:48 <Andi> CS: when you use display:none some things happen - seeing Windows events, not UIA events, using IE 9
14:41:59 <Andi> bug - Cynthia to investigate - P2
14:50:06 <Andi> issue-457
14:50:59 <Andi> CS: SHOULD NOT map states and properties that are not relevant for the role but SHOULD pass entire properties string if API supports it
14:53:00 <Andi> action 830 
14:53:01 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_state-change
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16:12:20 <Andi>  s/what should happen in MSAA if it's not hidden/issue-459 - what should happen for aria-describedby in MSAA if it's not hidden/
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