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14:53:14 <kaz_> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconf
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14:55:47 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
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14:55:54 <Zakim> +??P30
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14:56:46 <francois> [Regrets for this call. I'm on a call for the WebRTC working group. I'll monitor IRC]
14:56:48 <Zakim> + +44.789.470.aaaa
14:58:00 <francois> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_8th_September_2011
14:58:08 <francois> Chair: Clarke
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14:59:10 <Zakim> +??P49
14:59:58 <kaz_> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:59:58 <Zakim> ok, kaz_; the call is being made
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14:59:59 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
15:00:19 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:00:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P30, +44.789.470.aaaa, ??P49, Kazuyuki
15:00:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see aizu, igarashi, Clarke, duncanr, JanL, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, trackbot
15:00:24 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.19.aabb
15:00:40 <kaz_> zakim, aabb is Jan
15:00:42 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
15:01:01 <kaz_> zakim, aaaa is Dancun
15:01:06 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:01:18 <kaz_> zakim, ??P30 is Clarke
15:01:20 <Zakim> +Dancun; got it
15:01:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P30, Dancun, ??P49, Kazuyuki, Jan
15:01:44 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:01:49 <kaz_> zakim, Dancun is Duncan
15:01:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see aizu, igarashi, Clarke, duncanr, JanL, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, trackbot
15:02:02 <Zakim> +??P7
15:02:03 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:02:18 <Zakim> +Duncan; got it
15:02:26 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer
15:02:34 <Bob> Bob has joined #webtv
15:02:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, Duncan, ??P49, Kazuyuki, Jan, ??P7, Joseph_Scheuhammer
15:03:00 <Russell> Russell has joined #webtv
15:03:18 <kaz_> zakim, Joseph_Scheuhammer is Russell
15:03:26 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:03:33 <igarashi> zakim ??p49 is igarashi
15:03:45 <kaz_> zakim, ??P7 is Bob
15:03:56 <kaz_> zakim, ??P49 is Igarashi
15:04:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bob, aizu, igarashi, Clarke, duncanr, JanL, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, trackbot
15:04:12 <Zakim> +??P8
15:04:28 <kaz_> zakim, ??P8 is Aizu
15:04:34 <Zakim> +Russell; got it
15:04:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, Duncan, ??P49, Kazuyuki, Jan, ??P7, Russell, ??P8
15:04:50 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
15:04:52 <Zakim> +Igarashi; got it
15:05:08 <Zakim> +??P29
15:05:10 <Zakim> +Aizu; got it
15:05:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Russell, Bob, aizu, igarashi, Clarke, duncanr, JanL, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, trackbot
15:05:34 <kaz_> zakim, ??P29 is Eric
15:05:50 <Zakim> +Eric; got it
15:05:51 <Clarke> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_8th_September_2011
15:05:52 <Zakim> -Eric
15:06:36 <Zakim> +??P56
15:06:42 <Zakim> +??P58
15:07:01 <Zakim> + +1.678.795.aacc
15:07:20 <kaz_> zakim, ??P56 is Eric
15:07:20 <Zakim> +Eric; got it
15:07:29 <kaz_> zakim, ??P58 is Juhani
15:07:29 <Zakim> +Juhani; got it
15:07:33 <Juhani> Juhani has joined #webtv
15:07:51 <kaz_> zakim, aacc is Steven_Wright
15:07:51 <Zakim> +Steven_Wright; got it
15:08:57 <kaz_> topic: Update on issues from last week
15:09:03 <kaz_> clarke: bob, any update?
15:09:17 <kaz_> topic: Merging of issue-18 and issue-39 (Bob and Jan)
15:09:44 <kaz_> jan: we can continue the discussion offline on the reflector
15:10:12 <kaz_> bob: my issue-39's point was types of metadata
15:10:19 <Zakim> + +1.215.286.aadd
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15:10:21 <kaz_> ... while 18 was more generic
15:10:31 <kaz_> ... I'll post comments on the reflector
15:10:37 <kaz_> jan: we have bug reports
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15:10:49 <kaz_> ... would like to talk about the bug
15:11:13 <kaz_> kaz: which bug?
15:11:25 <kaz_> jan: 389 is related to 18
15:11:33 <kaz_> s/18/issue-18/
15:11:39 <kaz_> ... HTML5 bug
15:12:04 <kaz_> zakim, aadd is Dave_Mays
15:12:04 <Zakim> +Dave_Mays; got it
15:12:13 <kaz_> clarke: good suggestion
15:12:30 <kaz_> ... requirements comes from these issues are good
15:12:34 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aaee
15:13:07 <kaz_> kaz: will they create a new issue based on the discussion?
15:13:18 <kaz_> jan: the conclusion depends on the discussion
15:13:29 <kaz_> bob: discussion first
15:14:13 <kaz_> jan: can I reopen HTML5 bugs which has been already closed?
15:16:01 <kaz_> kaz: you should be able to send a message to the public list
15:16:31 <kaz_> clarke: one of the bugs is closed but another is still open
15:17:14 <Clarke> The other 3 are still open
15:17:23 <kaz_> s/another/the other 3/
15:17:28 <kaz_> s/is/are/
15:17:52 <kaz_> clarke: should we ask HTML WG to reopen 13333?
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15:19:10 <kaz_> action: jan to send a message to HTML WG public list and talk with the group about how to deal with the closed bugs, e.g., 13333
15:19:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Send a message to HTML WG public list and talk with the group about how to deal with the closed bugs, e.g., 13333 [on Jan Lindquist - due 2011-09-15].
15:19:42 <Zakim> + +1.503.712.aaff
15:19:57 <kaz_> jan: just to clarify, how to refer closed bug
15:20:22 <kaz_> zakim, aaff is Narm
15:20:22 <Zakim> +Narm; got it
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15:21:03 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
15:21:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, Duncan, Igarashi, Kazuyuki, Jan, Bob, Russell, Aizu, Eric, Juhani, Steven_Wright, Dave_Mays, +1.415.867.aaee, Narm
15:21:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see narm_gadiraju, igarashi, eric, davidmays, Juhani, Russell, Bob, aizu, Clarke, duncanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, trackbot
15:21:26 <kaz_> topic: Clarify wording on issue 40 (concern with word "enforce") (Russell)
15:21:32 <kaz_> russell: would like one more week
15:21:34 <kaz_> clarke: ok
15:21:43 <kaz_> topic: Clarify explanations on DRM requirements, also consider more specific DECE requirements (Bob)
15:21:53 <Zakim> -Bob
15:22:16 <kaz_> (Bob is disconnected...)
15:22:34 <kaz_> clarke: we have issue-40 and issue-41
15:22:35 <Zakim> +??P7
15:22:40 <Zakim> -Jan
15:22:41 <kaz_> ... and would like to see the difference
15:22:42 <Zakim> - +1.415.867.aaee
15:22:47 <kaz_> zakim, ??P7 is Bob
15:22:47 <Zakim> +Bob; got it
15:23:03 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aagg
15:23:36 <kaz_> zakim, aagg is Mark_Watson
15:23:37 <Zakim> +Mark_Watson; got it
15:23:49 <kaz_> bob: contacted DECE
15:24:10 <kaz_> ... we'll have discussion next week
15:24:38 <kaz_> ... Jim Talor (?)
15:24:44 <Clarke> Taylor
15:24:49 <kaz_> ... security specification
15:24:55 <Clarke> Works for DECE
15:24:55 <kaz_> s/Talor (?)/Taylor/
15:26:15 <kaz_> russell: various ways for security
15:26:22 <kaz_> ... Amazon, Netflix
15:26:33 <kaz_> ... negotiation for separate systems
15:26:42 <kaz_> ... so implementation specific
15:26:52 <kaz_> bob: that's one possible mechanism
15:27:00 <kaz_> ... for download
15:27:18 <kaz_> ... whatever content protection
15:27:33 <kaz_> ... another possibility is direct streaming
15:28:04 <kaz_> ... in that case DECE common encryption
15:28:29 <kaz_> ... MPEG DASH is one example
15:28:42 <kaz_> clarke: can you define "last" ?
15:29:03 <Clarke> or "LASP" ?
15:29:11 <davidmays> yes it's LASP
15:29:16 <kaz_> s/last/LASP/
15:29:49 <kaz_> zakim, who is speaking?
15:29:59 <Zakim> kaz_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Juhani (29%)
15:30:10 <davidmays> LASTP = Locker Access Streaming Provider
15:30:23 <Clarke> thanks
15:30:24 <davidmays> s/LASTP/LASP
15:31:09 <kaz_> juhani: (explains the mechanism; but his voice is breaking...)
15:31:42 <kaz_> ... various potential protection mechanisms
15:31:47 <kaz_> clarke: ok
15:32:09 <kaz_> bob: would restate our purpose is common mechanism
15:32:23 <kaz_> ... sharing common encryption
15:32:57 <kaz_> clarke: bob will meet DECE and clarify their requirements
15:33:54 <kaz_> bob: if there is a plan on browser-based technology by DECE, will let the TF know
15:34:22 <kaz_> ... no intention of specific DRM mechanism, but common encryption mechanism
15:34:45 <kaz_> ... try to put ideas on wiki
15:35:03 <kaz_> ... have specific examples
15:35:12 <kaz_> ... within next couple of days
15:35:28 <kaz_> ... will generate a wiki page first
15:36:00 <kaz_> action: bob to generate a wiki page on examples of common encryption mechanism
15:36:00 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - bob
15:36:00 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. bbrummer, blund3)
15:36:15 <kaz_> action: lund to generate a wiki page on examples of common encryption mechanism
15:36:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Generate a wiki page on examples of common encryption mechanism [on Bob Lund - due 2011-09-15].
15:37:33 <kaz_> bob: something like CODECs, content providers can choose appropriate mechanism
15:37:47 <kaz_> clarke: number of possible protocols
15:37:59 <kaz_> ... which one is supported, and priority, etc.
15:38:23 <kaz_> topic: Continuing issue acceptance review (beginning with issue 42)
15:38:34 <kaz_> issue-42?
15:38:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Content delivery to personal computers -- raised
15:38:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/42
15:38:43 <Clarke> issue-42 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_pc
15:39:23 <kaz_> clarke: (explains the issue)
15:39:34 <Zakim> -Juhani
15:39:44 <kaz_> ... Personal computers are a desirable target for service providers to deliver content.
15:39:57 <kaz_> ... can we accept this?
15:40:12 <kaz_> dave: are we thinking of tablet, etc.?
15:40:25 <kaz_> bob: depends on particular tablet
15:40:37 <kaz_> ... vendor's specific tablet
15:40:50 <kaz_> ... some of them are PC-like ones
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15:41:15 <kaz_> ... but some of them are retail devices
15:41:28 <Zakim> +??P26
15:41:32 <kaz_> dave: mobile devices like mobile phones
15:41:48 <kaz_> bob: fine with rewording
15:42:05 <kaz_> ... what is the characteristics of "personal computers" ?
15:42:13 <kaz_> ... software-based solution
15:42:59 <kaz_> clarke: personal computer and CE devices
15:43:10 <kaz_> ... you don't want to drop targets, do you
15:43:16 <kaz_> ... overlapped list
15:43:26 <kaz_> dave: ok
15:43:33 <kaz_> zakim, who is speaking?
15:43:44 <Zakim> kaz_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P26 (45%), Duncan (33%)
15:43:53 <Zakim> -Mark_Watson
15:44:17 <kaz_> juhani: what about requirements for issue-43?
15:44:17 <Zakim> +Mark_Watson
15:44:45 <kaz_> clarke: 42 description is fine, but need rewording "personal computers"
15:45:05 <kaz_> russell: W3C makes implementation-based distinction
15:45:18 <kaz_> bob: no suggestion of W3C level
15:45:32 <kaz_> ... how you might implement content security on a personal computer
15:45:49 <kaz_> ... software environment is quite open
15:46:02 <kaz_> ... while no support with hardware level
15:46:39 <kaz_> ... platform distinction may drive different consideration
15:46:57 <Zakim> -Mark_Watson
15:46:59 <kaz_> ... keep handling different platforms separately
15:47:07 <Zakim> +Mark_Watson
15:47:15 <kaz_> ... other distinction is also possible
15:47:43 <kaz_> ... different economic consideration
15:48:17 <kaz_> ... there are distinctions we need discussion
15:48:38 <Zakim> -Mark_Watson
15:48:56 <Zakim> +Mark_Watson
15:49:35 <kaz_> ... what we want to understand is different category of devices have different compliance rules
15:50:18 <kaz_> ... compliance of robustness
15:50:51 <kaz_> russell: we have to write recommendations which are fairly neutral
15:51:15 <kaz_> clarke: some of the key difference may effect our requirements
15:51:32 <kaz_> ... "personal computing device" and "consumer device"
15:52:06 <kaz_> juhani: mobile phones and smart phones belong to issue-43 (CE devices), don't they?
15:52:47 <kaz_> bob: accessibility is also the key
15:53:24 <kaz_> clarke: anybody oppose to accept issue-42 as a requirement?
15:53:37 <kaz_> russell: need rewording
15:54:38 <kaz_> ... between hardware-oriented devices and the others
15:55:04 <kaz_> ... a bit confused what issue-42 want to say
15:55:26 <kaz_> bob: clarification is issue-42 is identifying more open and accessible devices
15:55:45 <kaz_> ... while issue-43 is identifying more close devices
15:55:56 <kaz_> ... would like add clarification
15:56:03 <Clarke> For reference, here is issue 43: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Delivery_to_ce
15:56:11 <kaz_> issue-43?
15:56:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- Content delivery to retail consumer electronics devices -- raised
15:56:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/43
15:56:29 <kaz_> russell: source code is available for webkit
15:58:33 <kaz_> clarke: would suggest we mention the spectrum of devices
15:58:53 <kaz_> ... one end of the spectrum is pc and another end is ce
15:59:05 <kaz_> +1
15:59:15 <kaz_> bob: makes sense
15:59:51 <kaz_> clarke: russell, maybe you could take discussion with Bob offline, couldn't you?
16:00:03 <kaz_> zakim, who is speaking?
16:00:14 <Zakim> kaz_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob (5%), Dave_Mays (51%)
16:00:36 <kaz_> dave: should mention characteristics as well
16:01:14 <Zakim> -Bob
16:01:35 <kaz_> russell: f2f plan?
16:02:02 <Zakim> -Mark_Watson
16:02:03 <Zakim> -Eric
16:02:04 <Zakim> -Igarashi
16:02:06 <Zakim> -Steven_Wright
16:02:08 <Zakim> -Dave_Mays
16:02:10 <Zakim> -Aizu
16:02:10 <kaz_> clarke: f2f meeting on 21st-22nd right after the workshop on 19th-20th
16:02:12 <Zakim> -Duncan
16:02:16 <Zakim> -Russell
16:02:17 <Clarke> Thanks, Kaz
16:02:18 <Zakim> -??P26
16:02:21 <kaz_> np
16:02:22 <Zakim> -Narm
16:02:24 <Clarke> -Clarke
16:02:32 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:02:51 <kaz_> Clarke, Bob will try to put issue-42 and issue-43 together. right?
16:03:18 <kaz_> there was much scratch, and I couldn't here him
16:07:06 <kaz_> zakim, who is here?
16:07:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke
16:07:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see narm_gadiraju, igarashi, davidmays, aizu, duncanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz_, francois, trackbot
16:07:17 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Clarke, in UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM
16:07:18 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
16:07:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.789.470.aaaa, Kazuyuki, +46.1.07.19.aabb, Jan, Clarke, Duncan, Russell, Bob, Igarashi, Aizu, Eric, +1.678.795.aacc, Juhani, Steven_Wright, +1.215.286.aadd,
16:07:24 <Zakim> ... Dave_Mays, +1.415.867.aaee, +1.503.712.aaff, Narm, +1.415.867.aagg, Mark_Watson
16:10:28 <kaz_> Present: Duncan, Kazuyuki, Jan, Clarke, Russell, Bob, Igarashi, Aizu, Eric, Steven, Juhani, Dave, Narm, Mark_Watson
16:10:44 <kaz_> rrsagent, make log public
16:10:50 <kaz_> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:10:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-webtv-minutes.html kaz_
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18:34:35 <JAB> zakim, room for 4?
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18:34:53 <JAB> zakim, room for 4?
18:34:55 <Zakim> ok, JAB; conference Team_(webtv)18:34Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1934Z
18:35:42 <Zakim> Team_(webtv)18:34Z has now started
18:35:49 <Zakim> +Jeff
18:36:01 <JAB> Zakim, Jeff is JAB
18:36:01 <Zakim> +JAB; got it
18:39:52 <Zakim> + +1.650.483.aaaa
18:58:38 <Zakim> +??P1
18:59:00 <JAB> zakim, aaaa is MarkV
18:59:00 <Zakim> +MarkV; got it
18:59:12 <JAB> zakim ??P1 is RalphB
18:59:28 <JAB> zakim, ??P1 is RalphB
18:59:28 <Zakim> +RalphB; got it
18:59:49 <JAB> discussion on agenda and how to make it go from something good to something great 
19:00:52 <JAB> need to coordinate not only who speaks but what do they feature in their presentation
19:01:59 <JAB> kaz - are you available for a call when I get done with this one?
19:07:35 <Alan> kaz?
19:11:58 <Zakim> -RalphB
19:14:04 <Zakim> -JAB
19:14:05 <Zakim> Team_(webtv)18:34Z has ended
19:14:07 <Zakim> Attendees were JAB, +1.650.483.aaaa, MarkV, RalphB
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