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16:01:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
16:01:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:01:42 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
16:01:42 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2011
16:02:10 <ddahl> zakim, who is here?
16:02:26 <Zakim> sorry, ddahl, I don't know what conference this is
16:02:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, DanD, ddahl, Michael_Bodell, smaug, trackbot
16:02:46 <ddahl> zakim, conferences?
16:02:56 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ddahl.
16:03:06 <smaug> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
16:03:06 <Zakim> sorry, smaug, I do not see a party named 'Olli_Pettay'
16:03:26 <smaug> Zakim, who's on the call
16:03:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the call', smaug
16:03:37 <ddahl> zakim, list conferences
16:03:42 <Zakim> I see XML_XSLWG()12:00PM, UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM, SW_(PROV)11:00AM, T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM, INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM, Styl_XSL-FO-()11:00AM,
16:03:49 <Zakim> ... HTML_WG()12:00PM, Team_(PR)11:30AM active
16:03:51 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is I18N_WG(MLW)11:00AM
16:04:19 <ddahl> zakim, this will be INC_(HTMLSPEECH)
16:04:21 <Zakim> ok, ddahl, I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM already started
16:04:40 <ddahl> zakim, who is here?
16:04:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P35, Michael_Bodell, +40.33.281.aaaa, Debbie_Dahl
16:05:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, DanD, ddahl, Michael_Bodell, smaug, trackbot
16:05:09 <smaug> Zakim, ??P35 is Olli_Pettay
16:05:17 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
16:05:18 <smaug> (I think)
16:05:25 <smaug> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
16:05:33 <Zakim> ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay
16:06:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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16:07:02 <Michael_Bodell> discussion of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Sep/att-0008/speechwepapi.html
16:07:20 <Michael_Bodell> Olli's comments are http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Sep/0009.html
16:10:40 <Zakim> +Michael_Johnston
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16:11:11 <Michael_Bodell> Question about if value of checkbox makes sense => probably want to change the checked status
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16:13:57 <Zakim> + +1.408.359.aabb
16:14:52 <Michael_Bodell> Olli: consider permission denied event in the case that you have a reco element and don't have permission
16:16:29 <Michael_Bodell> michael: the is an isAuthorized method or state variable
16:16:46 <Michael_Bodell> Olli: Yes, but would also need an event when that state variable changes
16:19:36 <Robert> BRB 5 mins
16:19:57 <Michael_Bodell> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Sep/att-0008/speechwepapi.html
16:20:07 <Michael_Bodell> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Sep/0009.html
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16:21:30 <Michael_Bodell> DanD: Concerns about permissions in the non-traditional browser, particularly if you have multiple reco at once
16:23:19 <Michael_Bodell> Olli: Add authorization state variable to SpeechInputRequest
16:27:28 <Michael_Bodell> Olli: Michael should remove "=FunctionOnly" to allow objects in the section 4 definition
16:29:35 <Robert> back
16:29:49 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: In the reco binding, change should to MUST and describe better the bindings (possibly excluding some elements if necessary, or describing them better if it isn't just value)
16:31:28 <Michael_Bodell> Topic: Section 7
16:31:44 <Michael_Bodell> Olli: Change addGrammarName with addGrammarWithName
16:32:51 <Michael_Bodell> Olli: Add diableGrammarByName
16:33:50 <Michael_Bodell> DanD: Does this set of things match the protocol?
16:33:55 <Michael_Bodell> Robert: We don't know yet
16:35:04 <Michael_Bodell> Robert: Do we need a grammar name?
16:35:12 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: The name is for builtins
16:35:31 <Michael_Bodell> Robert: Builtin can be URI, and may need URI parameters
16:36:23 <Michael_Bodell> Charles: What about SRGS strings
16:36:39 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: You can sort of do that, with data: URI, but there are escaping issues
16:38:07 <Michael_Bodell> Olli:  Can construct it by the JS or via an XMLHTTPRequest and pass that in... but could be data:
16:38:45 <Michael_Bodell> Robert: It is hard to describe grammars, and if you do that you can go to the extra trouble of data: work
16:39:12 <Michael_Bodell> Charles: You often want to include the grammar in the page for documentation/understanding/easier to pass
16:40:05 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: We could have a grammar object complete with methods like add rule, but I think that would be too complexity
16:46:52 <Michael_Bodell> Charles: Could have a function like addGrammarByElementId
16:47:07 <Michael_Bodell> Olli:  But that isn't so easy in HTML, no namespace and mixed HTML document
16:47:27 <Michael_Bodell> Robert: I think we'd be safer just going with URI, and people can create the data URI
16:48:06 <Michael_Bodell> resolution => remove addGrammarByName and other name
16:48:42 <Michael_Bodell> Charles: But beef up the description of addGrammar to mention builtins by uri
16:50:16 <smaug> methods names should use camelCase consistently 
16:55:19 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: On 7, we could make the parameters method into attribute values
16:57:50 <Michael_Bodell> Glen: We should have error or output if you try to set something during the reco
16:58:07 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: We've agreed that all of these only effect the *next* reco
16:58:11 <Michael_Bodell> Glen: We should document that
16:59:10 <Michael_Bodell> resolution => change teh set methods in section 7 to attributes
17:00:04 <Zakim> - +40.33.281.aaaa
17:00:51 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: This means the default will be set so if the attribute is unmodified by author, they can inspect it
17:01:28 <Michael_Bodell> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Aug/att-0011/ASRPropertiesAPI.html
17:01:30 <Robert> sorry, I have to go to another meeting. one of those days...
17:01:34 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:03:52 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: What about recognizer.profile, recognizer.gender, recognizer.age?
17:06:56 <Michael_Bodell> resolution => add comment in document that user specific information would be set through generic set parameter functionality
17:07:57 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: What is the default language, if language is unset?
17:09:02 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: There is a hierachy of possibilities we discussed before ending with the language of the page.
17:10:13 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: endpointdetection shoudl default to true, right?
17:10:17 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: I'd think so
17:11:22 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: finalizebeforeend should be true too
17:11:43 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie:  I think so.  It might be more expensive, but there are a lot of use cases for that, and I think that is what users would like
17:12:48 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: interimresults is the same use case
17:12:55 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: Probably should be true too
17:13:05 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: yep, probably true
17:14:55 <Michael_Bodell> Debbie: setinterimresultsfreq  doesn't have a default, maybe 500 ms default?
17:15:09 <Michael_Bodell> Charles: doesn't it depend on the technology and grammars and other things
17:15:20 <Michael_Bodell> Michael: It is just a hint, the service can override it
17:20:04 <Michael_Bodell> discussion of interimresults and interimresultsfrequency... merge them, have only one, have some settings, don't have a frequency
17:26:44 <Michael_Bodell> decision => merge interimresults and interimresultsfreq, one thing, an integer, 0 means off, other values are a hint that specifies the approx milliseconds between interim results, default is 0
17:28:28 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
17:28:30 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:28:32 <Zakim> - +1.408.359.aabb
17:28:34 <Zakim> -Michael_Bodell
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17:35:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Bodell, +40.33.281.aaaa, Debbie_Dahl, Olli_Pettay, [Microsoft], Michael_Johnston, +1.408.359.aabb, Charles_Hemphill
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