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14:00:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:00:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
14:00:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:08 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
14:00:10 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2011
14:00:28 <ChrisL> Chair: Vlad
14:00:34 <ChrisL> ScribeNick: ChrisL
14:01:11 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
14:01:11 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()10:00AM has not yet started, Vlad
14:01:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, ChrisL, jfkthame, Vlad, trackbot
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14:01:18 <ChrisL> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2011Sep/0001.html
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14:01:35 <Vlad> zakim, this is 3668
14:01:35 <Zakim> ok, Vlad; that matches IA_Fonts()10:00AM
14:01:42 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
14:01:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.781.970.aaaa, +1.425.882.aabb, +44.845.397.aacc, ??P13
14:01:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see jdaggett, sergeym, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, jfkthame, Vlad, trackbot
14:01:52 <Vlad> zakim, aaaa is me
14:01:54 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it
14:02:00 <Zakim> +ChrisL
14:02:03 <jfkthame> zakim, aacc is me
14:02:08 <Zakim> +jfkthame; got it
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14:02:45 <ChrisL> Vlad: Long time since last call.
14:02:59 <jdaggett> zakim, ??p13 is me
14:02:59 <Zakim> +jdaggett; got it
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14:03:23 <Zakim> + +1.510.816.aadd
14:03:27 <ChrisL> Vlad: I think we have most folks who willbeat the f2f
14:03:37 <ChrisL> zakim,aadd is cslye
14:03:37 <Zakim> +cslye; got it
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14:03:46 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:03:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vlad, +1.425.882.aabb, jfkthame, jdaggett, ChrisL, cslye
14:03:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see tal, erik, cslye, jdaggett, sergeym, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, jfkthame, Vlad, trackbot
14:03:52 <jdaggett> ok to start i think
14:04:30 <ChrisL> Vlad:main goal is agenda for f2f
14:04:37 <Zakim> + +1.443.895.aaee
14:04:43 <ChrisL> ...also jdaggett asked about TPAC
14:05:45 <ChrisL> ChrisL: we decided a while back to meet at ATypI and not at TPAC as they were so close
14:06:55 <ChrisL> Vlad: nothing happened since to make a TPAC meeting happen
14:07:15 <ChrisL> Topic: ATypI agenda
14:07:47 <ChrisL> jdaggett: TPAC is the ideal  place to decide on from-origin etc as the right people willbe there, also the webapps folks
14:08:02 <ChrisL> Vlad:I willbe there
14:08:25 <ChrisL> ... lets discuss tht when we discuss TPAC
14:08:54 <ChrisL> Vlad: almost completed conformance testsuite so next goal is to be sure we have 100% coverage and alltests are valid
14:09:02 <ChrisL> ... ChrisL saw some bugs recently
14:10:56 <ChrisL> ChrisL: importing woff ua tests into (emerging)W3C test hgarness and reporting framework
14:12:49 <ChrisL> ChrisL: firefox addin to display woff metadata?
14:13:00 <ChrisL> jfkthame: there is one already
14:13:17 <jfkthame> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fontinfo/
14:13:56 <ChrisL> ... ther was an earlier bug but it was fixed
14:14:07 <ChrisL> cslye: could FontSquirreladd this?
14:14:25 <ChrisL> tal: validator could show the metadata too, if it was on the validators page
14:14:53 <ChrisL> ChrisL: and please do check in the validator
14:16:59 <jfkthame> (P.S.  see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467669 for the APIs in Gecko that the fontinfo add-on uses to get font details)
14:17:00 <ChrisL> ChrisL: what to do with authoring tools that do not report fixing up of errors on import?
14:17:20 <ChrisL> tal: there are cases thatit would never show an error
14:17:45 <ChrisL> sergeym:
14:18:19 <ChrisL> sergeym: authoring tool would need a strict mode. should not be added to tool requirements
14:18:49 <ChrisL> s/should not./should/
14:20:19 <ChrisL> ChrisL: another topic is who bugs which implementors to fix their bugs
14:20:45 <ChrisL> Vlad: do we need an implementation report as a meeting result?
14:21:19 <ChrisL> ChrisL: yes, at least a draft
14:21:33 <ChrisL> Vlad: self conformance or independent testing?
14:21:39 <ChrisL> ChrisL; independent is better
14:22:07 <ChrisL> Vlad: so if we get tests running on different user agents. if two pass thatsatisfies the requirements
14:22:43 <Zakim> +??P5
14:22:56 <Zakim> -??P5
14:23:16 <ChrisL> jfkthame: notcurrentlyas strict as thespec requires
14:23:56 <ChrisL> ChrisL: is that just because the implementation predates the latest spec
14:24:02 <ChrisL> jfkthame: yes
14:24:12 <ChrisL> ... need to file bugs
14:24:42 <ChrisL> Vlad: so we should have a draft report soon after the meeting
14:25:46 <ChrisL> Vlad: sergeym you were looking for travel approval?
14:25:55 <ChrisL> sergeym: willnot be there,can callin
14:26:37 <ChrisL> action Chris to book zakim for the atypi f2f
14:26:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Book zakim for the atypi f2f [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-09-14].
14:27:00 <ChrisL> action Vlad to chweck phone connectivity with meeting organisers
14:27:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Chweck phone connectivity with meeting organisers [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-09-14].
14:27:04 <ChrisL> topic: tpac
14:27:38 <ChrisL> Vlad: tpac is good for inter-wg coordination and we have two features moving to css3 fonts so tpac is a good venue for that discussion
14:27:57 <ChrisL> ... interested parties should attend, therefore. who willattend?
14:28:06 <ChrisL> cslye: willbe there
14:28:22 <ChrisL> sergeym:probably sylvaing
14:28:44 <ChrisL> Vlad:Oct 31 to Nov 4, Santa Clara
14:29:05 <ChrisL> jdaggett: if we want a separate meeting we need to sign up for space
14:29:19 <ChrisL> Vlad: yes but first checking who can be present
14:30:00 <ChrisL> ChrisL: willbe there for css and svg meetings
14:30:09 <erik> I won't be at TPAC
14:32:47 <ChrisL> jdaggett: to get resolution on from-origin and sor we need other groups than just fonts and css invlolved
14:33:51 <ChrisL> ChrisL: should this be in a webapps meeting?
14:34:02 <ChrisL> jdaggett: or a break out meeting somewhere
14:34:29 <ChrisL> jdaggett: also security and identity issues that are outsifde our realm
14:35:16 <ChrisL> Vlad: so its important that we discuss that, but for a fullwg meeting we don't have discussion items due to recent f2f
14:35:36 <ChrisL> ... presence of webfonts wg member s is needed
14:36:11 <ChrisL> ... main goal is inter-group meetings
14:36:50 <ChrisL> Vlad: any other business?
14:37:12 <ChrisL> (adjourned)
14:37:17 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
14:37:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
14:37:19 <Zakim> -cslye
14:37:22 <Zakim> - +1.443.895.aaee
14:37:24 <Zakim> -ChrisL
14:37:25 <Zakim> - +1.425.882.aabb
14:37:27 <Zakim> -Vlad
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14:37:30 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendeees
14:37:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendeees', ChrisL
14:37:31 <Zakim> -jfkthame
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14:37:36 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
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14:37:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.781.970.aaaa, +1.425.882.aabb, +44.845.397.aacc, Vlad, ChrisL, jfkthame, jdaggett, +1.510.816.aadd, cslye, +1.443.895.aaee
14:37:43 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
14:37:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/07-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
14:37:47 <Zakim> -jdaggett
14:37:52 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()10:00AM has ended
14:37:54 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.970.aaaa, +1.425.882.aabb, +44.845.397.aacc, Vlad, ChrisL, jfkthame, jdaggett, +1.510.816.aadd, cslye, +1.443.895.aaee