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07:05:43 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
07:05:43 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
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07:06:12 <wbailer> present: daniel, wonsuk, martin, florian, werner
07:06:17 <wbailer> chair: daniel
07:06:24 <wbailer> rrsagent, make logs public
07:06:30 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
07:06:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/06-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
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07:08:39 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG F2F day 1
07:08:44 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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07:10:15 <wbailer> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Graz2011Agenda
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07:15:15 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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07:16:46 <wbailer> scribe: wbailer
07:31:22 <wbailer> i-know conference program: http://i-know.tugraz.at/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/program_i-know_i-semantics_praxisforum_2011_final.pdf
07:31:41 <wbailer> topic: api doc lc2 comments
07:33:33 <wbailer> florian reports on status of api doc
07:34:22 <wbailer> restructured web idl, to integrate sync and async
07:44:08 <wbailer> last call comment on use of code 501
07:44:35 <wbailer> criticism is that 501 is defined that request method is not supported for any resource
07:44:50 <wbailer> option is to define our own error code for this, eg 562
07:45:26 <wbailer> wonsuk: not sure of our own error code makes it more clear
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07:46:12 <wbailer> wonsuk: we can define our own error code for this error
07:46:24 <wbailer> ... scope of our spec is not closely related with http
07:47:10 <wbailer> ... we could change the definition of the 501 code for our spec
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07:51:12 <wbailer> proposed solution: define error code 562, description: property not supported
07:51:39 <wbailer> action: florian to draft response to LC-2556
07:52:17 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
07:52:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/06-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
07:56:43 <wbailer> action: thierry to include text on what constitutes a feature / cr exit criteria into the api doc
07:57:17 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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07:58:15 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
07:58:15 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
08:02:34 <wbailer> action: thierry to check / update list of group members in api doc acknowledgements section
08:07:33 <wbailer> we plan to vote for moving api doc to cr in the mawg telco on sept. 13
08:07:39 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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08:31:50 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
08:31:50 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
08:33:40 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
08:33:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/06-mediaann-minutes.html wbailer
08:45:13 <wbailer> topic: ontology - exiting cr
08:45:28 <wbailer> daniel reminds the group of cr exit criteria
08:53:04 <wbailer> topic: going through test suite documents
08:53:22 <wbailer> cablelabs: rdf validation issues
08:56:23 <wbailer> skip for now, if there is time, we work on this document
08:57:16 <wbailer> dig35: compliant, comment missing, martin will add
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08:58:13 <wbailer> dublin core: compliant
08:59:46 <wbailer> pellet) detects conflict
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09:00:13 <wbailer> s/pellet/ebu core: pellet/
09:00:21 <martinh> <http://www.dummy.ch/News/16Jan2011/Items/20110116-PNN-0428-528229/>        a       ma-ont:Document , ma-ont:Collection ;        ma-ont:locator "http://www.dummy.ch/News/16Jan2011/Items/20110116-PNN-0428-528229/index.html"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#anyURI> .
09:00:32 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:01:10 <wbailer> instance is of collection, as it has locator, reasoner infers it's also a media resource
09:01:16 <wbailer> the two classes are disjoint
09:02:58 <daniel> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:02:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/06-mediaann-minutes.html daniel
09:03:23 <wbailer> ma-ont:Document is found, class is not defined in the ma ontology
09:03:40 <wbailer> martin will send mail to jean-pierre with details
09:03:48 <wbailer> exif: compliant
09:04:47 <wbailer> id3: compliant
09:05:24 <wbailer> agent could be specified in more detail, defining a person rather than just a resource
09:05:54 <wbailer> same issue for second id3 example
09:07:25 <wbailer> iptc: duration value as string, not as decimal
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09:12:56 <tmichel> zakim, space for 10 for 360 minutes?
09:12:57 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; conference Team_(mediaann)09:12Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 360 minutes until 1512Z
09:13:19 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:14:00 <tmichel> Will do now
09:14:26 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)09:12Z has now started
09:14:34 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aaaa
09:14:53 <wbailer> zakim, aaaa is graz_f2f
09:14:53 <Zakim> +graz_f2f; got it
09:15:16 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:16:14 <wbailer> media rss: still to be checked
09:16:29 <wbailer> mpeg7: comment missing, martin to fix
09:16:52 <Zakim> + +33.9.53.85.aabb
09:16:54 <wbailer> ogg: average bit rate includes unit in value field
09:21:33 <wbailer> 2 instances of bitrate with this issue
09:22:17 <wbailer> duration of type double instead decimal
09:23:36 <wbailer> fixed in local copy
09:23:48 <wbailer> quicktime: comment missing, martin to fix
09:24:10 <wbailer> smpte: comment missing, martin to fix
09:24:22 <wbailer> ttml: comment missing, martin to fix
09:26:20 <wbailer> tva: ratingscalemin is string instead of decimal
09:26:21 <wbailer> same for rating value and max
09:27:19 <wbailer> txfeed: still to be checked
09:29:53 <wbailer> xmp: language has 3 labels, should be 3 instances - only in the RDF XML
09:30:05 <wbailer> XML and Turtle serialisations are not consistent
09:30:32 <wbailer> youtube: still to be checked
09:31:01 <wbailer> 3gp: drop xml base, otherwise ontology is not imported
09:31:28 <wbailer> flv: both examples correct
09:31:37 <wbailer> mp4: compliant
09:32:09 <wbailer> webm: unit in average bit rate - same issue as for ogg
09:32:27 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:34:38 <wonsuk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Sep/0007.html
09:39:37 <wbailer> media rss: compliant, comment missing
09:40:47 <wbailer> txfeed: compliant, comment missing
09:40:52 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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09:51:48 <wbailer2> scribenick: wbailer2
09:51:54 <wbailer2> back to tva example:
09:52:16 <wbailer2> issue with collection identifier, pellet finds a literal
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09:58:44 <wbailer> scribenick: wbailer
09:58:50 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:00:17 <daniel> action: florian to draft response to LC-2556
10:00:26 <wbailer> tva issues resolved, with changing durations, ratings and location coordinates to decimal
10:04:13 <wbailer> collection should be changed to use rdf:resource
10:04:35 <wbailer> then the reasoner also infers the inverse property
10:05:11 <wbailer> comment in the file about creator and version # is missing
10:05:15 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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10:07:14 <Zakim> -graz_f2f
10:19:02 <Zakim> - +33.9.53.85.aabb
10:19:03 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)09:12Z has ended
10:19:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.316.876.aaaa, graz_f2f, +33.9.53.85.aabb
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11:32:48 <pchampin> sorry I'm late
11:35:24 <pchampin> anyone here?
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11:44:08 <wbailer> we're back from lunch break and will continue
11:44:21 <wbailer> we will do editing of RDF examples until 3pm
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11:46:21 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minues
11:46:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minues', wbailer.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
11:46:25 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:54:58 <fstegmai> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:54:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/06-mediaann-minutes.html fstegmai
11:55:09 <fstegmai> rrsagent, make logs public
12:29:07 <wbailer> quicktime: same issue with xml base as in 3gp and webm
12:34:59 <tmichel> I am back on Zakim, if you need me
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12:57:41 <tmichel> Ok can we discuss it now ?
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12:57:58 <wbailer> zakim, this is mawg
12:57:58 <Zakim> sorry, wbailer, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
12:58:25 <tmichel> I am on the telecon ;-)
12:59:55 <wbailer> topic: formalities of moving api doc to lc
13:00:24 <wbailer> thierry: 2 things remaining
13:00:34 <wbailer> ... resolve lc comment
13:00:42 <wbailer> ... second is exit criteria
13:00:56 <wbailer> ... usual w3c criteria
13:01:32 <wbailer> ... thierry will send proposal by tomorrow morning
13:04:04 <wbailer> action: werner to send consolidated draft of what constitutes a feature
13:04:55 <wbailer> thierry to join tomorrow 10am
13:06:48 <wbailer> topic: ontology cr exit
13:07:54 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/#Implementa
13:08:12 <wbailer> thierry: no implementations, but testsuite and tools, services using ontology
13:09:06 <wbailer> ... link to wonsuk's implementation still missing
13:10:05 <wbailer> telecon with director to move to pr, need to show that we need exit criteria
13:10:26 <wbailer> ... we have to find some kind of wording for the demonstrators
13:10:52 <wbailer> ... just to show that we meet exit criteria, not in the spec
13:11:16 <wbailer> daniel: must these implementations be synced to test suite files?
13:11:29 <wbailer> thierry: would be great if this is doable
13:12:07 <wbailer> daniel: wonsuk's implementation is not compatible with test suite files, eg different rdf representation
13:12:32 <wbailer> thierry: it's a problem if different from the latest version of the ontology
13:12:55 <tmichel> At least two applications have been demonstrated that use features of the Media Annotation Ontology.
13:13:25 <wbailer> ... or mention it and say that it is not fully compatible
13:23:06 <daniel> we have 7 implementations, once preparing the sample using the Werner's implementation, we will ask others implementors for preparing the same illustration regarding each implementation.
13:29:05 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:57:21 <wbailer> revisiting ebucore example
13:57:38 <wbailer> topic: ontology test suite
13:57:40 <wbailer> revisiting ebucore example
13:58:13 <wbailer> proposal for fixing it: remove ma-ont Document, replace ma-ont:locator of the collection by dc:format
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14:00:00 <wbailer> new youtube example: compliant
14:06:19 <wbailer> fixing xmp example
14:07:59 <wbailer> .. done
14:08:04 <wbailer> dig35 example
14:15:44 <wbailer> changing rdf:about to rdf:ID, fixing multiple identifiers
14:32:48 <wbailer> fixed datatypes and values
14:33:05 <wbailer> split multiple values for properties into multiple instances of properties
14:33:49 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:51:49 <wbailer> conclusion on test suite examples:
14:51:57 <wbailer> - we have compliant versions for all the files now
14:52:44 <wbailer> - for some files we made modifications based on what we think was meant, editors may want to comment, this applies to ebucore, cablelabs
14:53:21 <wbailer> - martin will generate also the turtle version for all the modified files
14:53:31 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:53:59 <wbailer> present+ tobias
14:54:05 <wbailer> present+ thierry
14:54:34 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:04:40 <wbailer> topic: API test suite
15:04:56 <wbailer> florian: we need a normative JSON representation for the test suite
15:05:32 <wbailer> florian: two options: 1. browser extensions or native support, JSON returned; 2. web service returns JSON
15:05:58 <wbailer> ... in both cases we can match the JSON result against the reference JSON for a test file
15:06:30 <wbailer> ... basic requirement: value attribute must be correct
15:06:51 <wbailer> ... extended: also the structured specific attributes for each property are correct
15:06:56 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:07:59 <wbailer> florian: we will need JSON example response for each of the formats
15:09:03 <wbailer> ... option could be to use RDF to JSON conversion of normative examples
15:09:18 <fstegmai> RDF2JSON converter: http://www.epimorphics.com/web/wiki/rdf-json-converter-google-app-engine
15:09:42 <wbailer> to be checked if the converter is usable for that
15:11:42 <wbailer> action: florian to check if this converter is useful for us
15:11:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-440 - Check if this converter is useful for us [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2011-09-13].
15:12:49 <wbailer> florian: we should define tomorrow which are the positive and negative test cases to be covered
15:15:46 <wbailer> [adjourned]
15:15:49 <wbailer> rrsagent, draft minutes
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