IRC log of er on 2011-08-31
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/08/31-er-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 3794
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 31 August 2011
- 12:27:24 [philipA]
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Aug/0010.html
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- chair: Shadi
- 12:28:28 [shadi]
- agenda+ Welcome
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- agenda+ Continue processing comments
- 12:28:28 [shadi]
- agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
- 12:29:37 [sinarmaya]
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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- + +1.858.017.aaaa
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- +??P8
- 12:32:29 [shadi]
- zakim, call shadi-617
- 12:32:29 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; the call is being made
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- +Shadi
- 12:33:41 [shadi]
- zakim, aaaa is really Emmanuelle
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- +Emmanuelle; got it
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- zakim, ? is Philip
- 12:33:52 [Zakim]
- +Philip; got it
- 12:34:25 [shadi]
- regrets: CarlosV
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- scribe: Shadi
- 12:36:20 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0024.html
- 12:36:35 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
- 12:36:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Continue processing comments" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:36:38 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0024.html
- 12:37:03 [samuelm]
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- 12:39:05 [shadi]
- PA: comment makes sense
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- SAZ: let's look one by one
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- [[Assertor]]
- 12:39:46 [Zakim]
- +??P10
- 12:40:14 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is Samuel
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- +Samuel; got it
- 12:40:37 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#Assertor
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Guide/#EARL10Reports
- 12:43:33 [kostas]
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- 12:43:42 [Zakim]
- + +30231125aabb
- 12:43:54 [shadi]
- SAZ: comment not really precise -- EARL 1.0 requires an identfying name which could be dc:title, foaf:name, or doap:name
- 12:44:21 [shadi]
- zakim, aabb is Kostas
- 12:44:21 [Zakim]
- +Kostas; got it
- 12:44:37 [shadi]
- ...any issues with that requirement?
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- [none]
- 12:45:46 [shadi]
- ...description is not required though, because it may not be known
- 12:46:30 [shadi]
- ...same for TestSubject
- 12:46:53 [shadi]
- ...maybe could say "one identifier" rather than "identifying name/title"?
- 12:49:01 [shadi]
- PA: conformance section looks clearer than in the comment
- 12:51:27 [shadi]
- RESOLUTION: change "identifying name/title" to "identifyer" in conformance requirements 2.a, 3.a, and 4.a
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- [TestResult]
- 12:53:54 [shadi]
- SAZ: requirement is dc:date and earl:outcome (which in turn must have an identifyer and a description)
- 12:54:10 [shadi]
- ...additional information is only optional
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- ...ok?
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- KV: agree
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- SS: agree
- 12:56:07 [shadi]
- EG: don't see why we need consistency
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- [TestMode]
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- SAZ: provide pre-defined values for test mode
- 12:57:17 [shadi]
- ...if you define your own then you need to describe them
- 12:58:38 [shadi]
- ...for example, if a vendor uses foo:heuristic, they would need to disambiguiate it
- 12:58:57 [shadi]
- ...title would be "heuristic" but also need a description of what that means
- 12:59:34 [sinarmaya]
- yes
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- RESOLUTION: conistency does not make sense because every case has its own justification; some improvement of the wording will be made
- 13:01:16 [sinarmaya]
- yes
- 13:01:27 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0025.html
- 13:03:11 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#TestCriterion
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- KV: it is clear, not sure what is requested
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- SAZ: TestRequirement is broader than "test suite"
- 13:07:44 [cstrobbe]
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- 13:08:00 [shadi]
- ...could use TestRequirement to refer to test suites or other compound tests that are not necessarily test suites
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- ...or introduce "earl:TestSuite"
- 13:09:18 [Zakim]
- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- SS: test suite could contain a set of unrelated tests, while a test requirment is a set of related tests
- 13:10:20 [shadi]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 13:10:20 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Emmanuelle (muted), Philip, Shadi, Samuel, Kostas, Christophe_Strobbe
- 13:12:55 [sinarmaya]
- uhmmm
- 13:13:05 [shadi]
- SAZ: add test suite or not?
- 13:14:00 [shadi]
- KV: maybe good to include because informative about what TestRequirement and TestSuite is
- 13:14:26 [shadi]
- EG: can be a good idea because can be more flexible
- 13:16:32 [shadi]
- RESOLUTION: introduce earl:TestSuite to mean a series of (related or unrelated) test cases
- 13:16:58 [shadi]
- PA: TestRequirement can still be a combination of TestSuites and TestCases, right?
- 13:17:05 [shadi]
- SAZ: yes, it is more generic
- 13:17:16 [cstrobbe]
- Sounds good to me.
- 13:17:19 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0026.html
- 13:17:27 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0035.html
- 13:18:57 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#OutcomeValue
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#TestMode
- 13:23:51 [shadi]
- SAZ: OutcomeValue is likely to have gradients so proposed sub-classes
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- ...TestMode may not need the same level of specifity
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- KV: why these gradients?
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- SAZ: to maximize query-ability
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- KV: don't think we need it
- 13:26:13 [shadi]
- (keep current approach)
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- CS: could keep it
- 13:26:22 [philipA]
- +1
- 13:27:59 [shadi]
- RESOLUTION: keep as is because no use-cases are known for further subclasses of TestMode
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
- 13:29:07 [shadi]
- SS: regrets for next week
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- -Emmanuelle
- 13:29:29 [shadi]
- [next meeting on 7th september]
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- -Samuel
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- -Kostas
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/31-er-minutes.html trackbot
- 13:29:41 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been +1.858.017.aaaa, Shadi, Emmanuelle, Philip, Samuel, +30231125aabb, Kostas, Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Philip
- 13:29:42 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items
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- -Christophe_Strobbe