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12:27:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
12:27:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:27:13 <trackbot> Date: 31 August 2011
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12:27:46 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Aug/0010.html
12:27:52 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:28:28 <shadi> agenda+ Welcome
12:28:28 <shadi> agenda+ Continue processing comments
12:28:28 <shadi> agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
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12:30:38 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:45 <Zakim> + +1.858.017.aaaa
12:31:04 <Zakim> +??P8
12:32:29 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:32:29 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:32:30 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:33:41 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really Emmanuelle
12:33:41 <Zakim> +Emmanuelle; got it
12:33:52 <shadi> zakim, ? is Philip
12:33:52 <Zakim> +Philip; got it
12:34:25 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
12:36:16 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
12:36:20 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0024.html
12:36:35 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
12:36:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue processing comments" taken up [from shadi]
12:36:38 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0024.html
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12:39:05 <shadi> PA: comment makes sense
12:39:16 <shadi> SAZ: let's look one by one
12:39:24 <shadi> [[Assertor]]
12:39:46 <Zakim> +??P10
12:40:14 <shadi> zakim, ? is Samuel
12:40:14 <Zakim> +Samuel; got it
12:40:37 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#Assertor
12:41:20 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Guide/#EARL10Reports
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12:43:42 <Zakim> + +30231125aabb
12:43:54 <shadi> SAZ: comment not really precise -- EARL 1.0 requires an identfying name which could be dc:title, foaf:name, or doap:name
12:44:21 <shadi> zakim, aabb is Kostas
12:44:21 <Zakim> +Kostas; got it
12:44:37 <shadi> ...any issues with that requirement?
12:44:40 <shadi> [none]
12:45:46 <shadi> ...description is not required though, because it may not be known
12:46:30 <shadi> ...same for TestSubject
12:46:53 <shadi> ...maybe could say "one identifier" rather than "identifying name/title"?
12:49:01 <shadi> PA: conformance section looks clearer than in the comment
12:51:27 <shadi> RESOLUTION: change "identifying name/title" to "identifyer" in conformance requirements 2.a, 3.a, and 4.a
12:53:14 <shadi> [TestResult]
12:53:54 <shadi> SAZ: requirement is dc:date and earl:outcome (which in turn must have an identifyer and a description)
12:54:10 <shadi> ...additional information is only optional
12:54:13 <shadi> ...ok?
12:54:55 <shadi> KV: agree
12:55:52 <shadi> SS: agree
12:56:07 <shadi> EG: don't see why we need consistency
12:56:51 <shadi> [TestMode]
12:57:05 <shadi> SAZ: provide pre-defined values for test mode
12:57:17 <shadi> ...if you define your own then you need to describe them
12:58:38 <shadi> ...for example, if a vendor uses foo:heuristic, they would need to disambiguiate it
12:58:57 <shadi> ...title would be "heuristic" but also need a description of what that means
12:59:34 <sinarmaya> yes
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13:01:07 <shadi> RESOLUTION: conistency does not make sense because every case has its own justification; some improvement of the wording will be made
13:01:16 <sinarmaya> yes
13:01:27 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0025.html
13:03:11 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#TestCriterion
13:04:30 <shadi> KV: it is clear, not sure what is requested
13:07:12 <shadi> SAZ: TestRequirement is broader than "test suite"
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13:08:00 <shadi> ...could use TestRequirement to refer to test suites or other compound tests that are not necessarily test suites
13:08:12 <shadi> ...or introduce "earl:TestSuite"
13:09:18 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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13:09:44 <shadi> SS: test suite could contain a set of unrelated tests, while a test requirment is a set of related tests
13:10:20 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
13:10:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Emmanuelle (muted), Philip, Shadi, Samuel, Kostas, Christophe_Strobbe
13:12:55 <sinarmaya> uhmmm
13:13:05 <shadi> SAZ: add test suite or not?
13:14:00 <shadi> KV: maybe good to include because informative about what TestRequirement and TestSuite is
13:14:26 <shadi> EG: can be a good idea because can be more flexible
13:16:32 <shadi> RESOLUTION: introduce earl:TestSuite to mean a series of (related or unrelated) test cases
13:16:58 <shadi> PA: TestRequirement can still be a combination of TestSuites and TestCases, right?
13:17:05 <shadi> SAZ: yes, it is more generic
13:17:16 <cstrobbe> Sounds good to me.
13:17:19 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0026.html
13:17:27 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0035.html
13:18:57 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#OutcomeValue
13:21:13 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#TestMode
13:23:51 <shadi> SAZ: OutcomeValue is likely to have gradients so proposed sub-classes
13:24:04 <shadi> ...TestMode may not need the same level of specifity
13:24:18 <shadi> KV: why these gradients?
13:24:28 <shadi> SAZ: to maximize query-ability
13:24:42 <shadi> KV: don't think we need it
13:26:13 <shadi> (keep current approach)
13:26:20 <shadi> CS: could keep it
13:26:22 <philipA> +1
13:27:59 <shadi> RESOLUTION: keep as is because no use-cases are known for further subclasses of TestMode
13:28:54 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:28:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome" taken up [from shadi]
13:29:00 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:29:00 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Upcoming meeting schedule" taken up [from shadi]
13:29:07 <shadi> SS: regrets for next week
13:29:27 <Zakim> -Emmanuelle
13:29:29 <shadi> [next meeting on 7th september]
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13:29:35 <Zakim> -Samuel
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13:29:39 <Zakim> -Kostas
13:29:40 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:29:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:29:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:29:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/31-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:29:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.858.017.aaaa, Shadi, Emmanuelle, Philip, Samuel, +30231125aabb, Kostas, Christophe_Strobbe
13:29:41 <Zakim> -Philip
13:29:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:29:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
13:29:43 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe