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14:03:11 <Andi> Scribe: Andi
14:03:19 <Andi> Meeting: AAPI 
14:03:29 <Andi> Chair: Andi
14:05:54 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
14:07:40 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
14:07:54 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla had David_Bolter
14:07:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Mozilla had David_Bolter', davidb
14:08:46 <Andi> topic: bug 9656
14:08:47 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9656
14:11:23 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla has David_Bolter
14:11:23 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
14:11:27 <Andi> DB: if labelledby points to element with role="presentation", FF will not use it in the name calculation
14:11:38 <Andi> CS: IE will use it in the name calculation
14:12:54 <Andi> DB: is this an author error?
14:13:20 <Andi> CS: seems like it should be okay - role="presentation" just turns things into <span>
14:13:56 <Andi> CS: presentation takes out structure but not the text
14:14:57 <Andi> CS: using aria-labeled by to point to a <span> element is okay so this should be too
14:15:48 <Andi> DB: FF uses the accessibility tree when calculating the name so that's why it won't be used
14:16:01 <Andi> DB: it's just a text node among other sibling text nodes
14:16:12 <Andi> CS: think IE calculates the name before structuring the tree
14:16:54 <Andi> AS: since the name calculation rules don't have any exception for role="presentation", does this mean FF is not compliant?
14:17:29 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_nd
14:19:14 <Andi> DB: if the ARIA TF thinks that this is not an author error and it should be used in the name calculation, will file a bug
14:19:41 <Andi> AS: put this issue on the agenda for the Monday ARIA TF call
14:20:07 <Andi> topic: bug 11514
14:20:08 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11514
14:21:17 <Andi> AS: David gave the events for aria-hidden but what about the rest of the table?
14:21:22 <Andi> DB: haven't reviewed it yet
14:23:09 <Andi> CS: going on vacation the 24th, can have stuff done on the 11th
14:23:55 <Andi> AS: I'm on vacation the 11th and the 18th so can we move the call to the 10th and 17th
14:24:59 <Andi> DB: out on vacation 8/15 - 8/26
14:25:10 <Andi> CS: out 8/25 - 9/7
14:25:38 <Andi> AS: out 8/11 - 8/12, 8/18 & 8/19, 9/2 - 9/9
14:28:07 <Andi> move 8/11 meeting to 8/10 at 3 PM ET
14:28:57 <Andi> move 8/18 meeting to 8/17 at 4 PM ET
14:29:34 <Andi> move 8/25 meeting to 8/24 at 1 PM ET
14:37:13 <Andi> topic: issue 444
14:37:36 <Andi> AS: discsussed at F2F and thought we agreed that UAs would not change the DOM. Can we move this to 2.0?
14:38:02 <Andi> action Andi to check the minutes from the f2f - if not closed, create a bug and assign to Cynthia to check with Larry
14:38:32 <Andi> topic: bug 13258
14:38:40 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13258
14:51:23 <Andi> in Selection section, remove first 3 bullets above the table as they are covered in the S&P Mapping Table
14:51:39 <Andi> bullet 4 is related to ISSUE 444
14:52:24 <Andi> bug - David - check this table
14:54:18 <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
14:54:20 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
14:54:20 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
14:54:21 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended
14:54:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter
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