IRC log of webtv on 2011-07-26

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13:50:48 [kaz]

Meeting: Home Networking Task Force Telconf

13:58:10 [kaz]

zakim, call kazuyuki-617

13:58:10 [Zakim]

ok, kaz; the call is being made

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UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM has now started

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+Kazuyuki

13:58:23 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

13:58:23 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kazuyuki

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, Clarke, MattH, trackbot

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+??P6

13:58:41 [kaz]

zakim, ??P6 is MattH

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+MattH; got it

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+??P8

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-??P8

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+ +1.703.234.aaaa

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+??P8

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zakim, aaaa is Jerry

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+Jerry; got it

13:59:58 [kaz]

zaim, ??P8 is Clarke

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14:00:42 [Clarke]

zakim, ??P8 is Clarke

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+Clarke; got it

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+ +1.303.503.aabb

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+??P18

14:02:17 [kaz]

zakim, aabb is Bob

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+Bob; got it

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zakim, ??P18 is Igarashi

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+Igarashi; got it

14:02:27 [kaz]

zakim, who is here?

14:02:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kazuyuki, MattH, Jerry, Clarke, Bob, Igarashi

14:02:28 [Zakim]

On IRC I see donghyun_kang_, aizu, igarashi, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, Clarke, MattH, trackbot

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+??P22

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Zakim, ??P22 is me

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+aizu; got it

14:04:22 [kaz]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0052.html

14:04:37 [kaz]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0051

14:04:42 [Zakim]

+ +1.503.712.aacc

14:05:15 [kaz]

zakim, aacc is Narm

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+Narm; got it

14:05:28 [kaz]

topic: ISSUE-17

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issue-17?

14:05:32 [trackbot]

ISSUE-17 -- Use Case: Home Network Enabled User-Agent -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/17

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14:06:08 [kaz]

kaz: let's close this

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everyone: ok

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close issue-17

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ISSUE-17 Use Case: Home Network Enabled User-Agent closed

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topic: ISSUE-24

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issue-24?

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ISSUE-24 -- Local Link of web applications -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/24

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+ +82.26.91.2.aadd

14:07:23 [kaz]

zakim, aadd is DongHyun

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+DongHyun; got it

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+ +1.408.356.aaee

14:07:52 [kaz]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0046.html Igarashi's update

14:08:02 [kaz]

igarashi: added description on API types

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... issue-24 itself is a generic API

14:09:07 [Zakim]

-Bob

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-> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/LocalLink#Use_Case:_Local_Link_of_Web_Applications ISSUE-24 description

14:09:37 [kaz]

kaz: is the wiki description also updated?

14:09:40 [kaz]

igarashi: yes

14:10:42 [Zakim]

+Bob

14:10:50 [kaz]

kaz: do you want to include the information on ISSUE-9 and Opera's API proposal

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s/proposal/proposal in the wiki description as well?/

14:11:27 [kaz]

igarashi: no, it's just additional explanation on what "generic API" means

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kaz: any opinion?

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... if no objection, let's accept this proposal ISSUE-24

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RESOLUTION: accept ISSUE-24

14:13:31 [kaz]

zakim, aaee is Richard

14:13:31 [Zakim]

+Richard; got it

14:13:54 [kaz]

topic: MattH's proposals

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matt: would like to start with 20

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issue-20?

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ISSUE-20 -- TV Querying and Control -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/20

14:14:39 [kaz]

matt: restructured the issue

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... possible interaction scenario is included

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... JavaScript level API proposal for discussion as well

14:16:14 [MattH]

http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/TVControl

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s/http/-> http/

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s/TVControl/TVControl Wiki description of ISSUE-20/

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matt: (describes the detail of the proposal)

14:19:17 [Clarke]

q+

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jerry: trying to understan

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s/understan/understand/

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... target of the application which execute the API

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... how to know where to execute APIs?

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... home network devices could have a gateway

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... server needs to know where to get the content from

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matt: the intention is implementing APIs as JavaScript and use from Web browsers

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... what content is available where is an issue

14:22:11 [kaz]

... suppose DLNA terminology, media rendering device?

14:22:52 [kaz]

jerry: I think what you're saying is a TV device

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matt: could be a TV device

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... or a desktop browser

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jerry: target of the API is a processing engine that has capability of discovering

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... being discovered by the browser

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... and capable of executing the APIs

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s/of discovering//

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... and that can describe what devices are/

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igarashi: in this scenario, application is rather a device

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... but application is running on devices

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matt: will update the text

14:26:40 [Clarke]

q?

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igarashi: this service-specific API is supported by the TV as well?

14:27:56 [kaz]

matt: the API could be supported by TV if it can process JavaScript

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ack c

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clarke: your suggestion is higher level API

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... list of functions

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... right?

14:28:26 [kaz]

matt: yes

14:28:27 [Clarke]

q-

14:28:47 [kaz]

igarashi: in scenario 1, there are several options

14:29:24 [kaz]

... maybe you should not use sequence number, but should use non-ordered list

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... the first step "The application discovers..." should be done first, though

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matt: will change

14:30:17 [kaz]

bob: a question

14:30:21 [kaz]

... level of APIs

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... high-level APIs is useful

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... but what level of APIs should be used?

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matt: there is ability for application

14:31:27 [Clarke]

q+

14:32:30 [kaz]

bob: we started a high-level APIs within AT&T, and would like to know how to cover the other implementations

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... need more sofisticated kind of APIs?

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matt: if you have information to share with me, would be appreciated

14:33:55 [kaz]

bob: agree the trade-off

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... but how much task is expected for a User Agent?

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q?

14:35:24 [kaz]

... clarke's paper will be soon available

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clarke: if we do something Bob suggested, i.e., lower-level APIs implementable

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... any preference from W3C viewpoint?

14:37:26 [Clarke]

q-

14:37:30 [kaz]

kaz: both levels would be welcome and useful

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... our proposals should go to the other WGs, e.g., DeviceAPIs and WebApps

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... if they don't work very well for our proposals, we should create yet another WG :)

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q?

14:39:13 [kaz]

action: hammonds to update issue-20

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Sorry, couldn't find user - hammonds

14:39:21 [kaz]

action: matt to update issue-20

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Created ACTION-56 - Update issue-20 [on Matt Hammond - due 2011-08-02].

14:39:37 [kaz]

igarashi: comment on scenario 2

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... specific program?

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matt: question on step 2

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s/2/2?/

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igarashi: yes

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matt: list of content available could be provided

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... and we could ask the TV which program is available now

14:41:21 [kaz]

igarashi: ok

14:41:40 [Zakim]

-Bob

14:42:00 [kaz]

kaz: igarashi, do you want clarification in scenario 2?

14:42:30 [kaz]

igarashi: "application query" would be easier to understand?

14:42:36 [kaz]

matt: will use the term

14:43:09 [MattH]

http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/MediaIdentification

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topic: ISSUE-19

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issue-19?

14:43:21 [trackbot]

ISSUE-19 -- Media Identification -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/19

14:44:12 [kaz]

matt: content identifier

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... hopefully more clear

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... related to part of issue-20

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q?

14:45:24 [kaz]

q?

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q+

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kaz: do you think a specific URI could be used?

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matt: a URI is a possibility

14:46:51 [kaz]

... BBC would like to include URI style identifier

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... some provider might use different kind of identifier on some platform

14:48:00 [kaz]

kaz: can we accept this proposal?

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everybody: no objections

14:48:23 [kaz]

RESOLUTION: ISSUE-19 is accepted

14:48:41 [MattH]

http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/TimeSynchronisation

14:48:56 [kaz]

topic: ISSUE-21

14:48:58 [kaz]

issue-21?

14:48:58 [trackbot]

ISSUE-21 -- Time synchronisation -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/21

14:49:14 [kaz]

matt: have no time to update this...

14:49:30 [kaz]

... (explains the proposal)

14:50:08 [kaz]

... similar to issue-19, any high-level APIs could be supported rather than application-specific APIs

14:50:45 [kaz]

kaz: you'll update the description, and we should talk about this next week?

14:50:49 [kaz]

matt: yes

14:51:21 [kaz]

kaz: no more proposals for today?

14:51:23 [kaz]

matt: no

14:51:41 [Zakim]

-Richard

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-Narm

14:51:49 [Zakim]

-Clarke

14:51:56 [kaz]

kaz: any other topics?

14:51:56 [Zakim]

-Jerry

14:51:57 [Zakim]

-MattH

14:51:57 [Zakim]

-aizu

14:52:01 [kaz]

everybody: no

14:52:03 [Zakim]

-Igarashi

14:52:05 [Zakim]

-DongHyun

14:52:18 [kaz]

kaz: ok. let's adjourn this call and talk with you all next week

14:52:36 [kaz]

... Giuseppe will be also available next week

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-Kazuyuki

14:52:43 [kaz]

[ adjourned ]

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UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Kazuyuki, MattH, +1.703.234.aaaa, Jerry, Clarke, +1.303.503.aabb, Bob, Igarashi, aizu, +1.503.712.aacc, Narm, +82.26.91.2.aadd, DongHyun, +1.408.356.aaee, Richard

14:53:23 [kaz]

Present: Kazuyuki, MattH, Jerry, Clarke, Igarashi, aizu, Narm, DongHyun, Richard, Bob

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Chair: Kaz

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Scribe: Kaz

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz

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s/sofisticated/sophisticated/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz

14:57:47 [kaz]

Regrets: Giuseppe, Francois

14:57:50 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:57:50 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz

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s/MattH's proposals/ISSUE-20/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/26-webtv-minutes.html kaz

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