IRC log of html-a11y on 2011-07-21
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 2119
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- Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
- 15:01:30 [trackbot]
- Date: 21 July 2011
- 15:01:35 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now
- 15:01:43 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- zakim, this is 2119
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- Zakim, call Mike
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- 15:04:12 [MichaelC]
- once again zakim craps out for this call
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- zakim, drop mike
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- ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
- 15:04:32 [Zakim]
- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
- 15:04:33 [MichaelC]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:04:33 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike-goog
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- +Mike
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- +??P1
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- Mike is being disconnected
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- -Mike
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- Zakim, drop Mike
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- On the phone I see Rich, JF, ??P46, Michael_Cooper, ??P1
- 15:05:04 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike-goog
- 15:05:04 [Zakim]
- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- Mike is being disconnected
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- -Mike
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- I seem to be having audio problems and may need to restart my PC
- 15:05:45 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P46 is Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 15:05:57 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
- 15:05:58 [Zakim]
- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger; got it
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- -Mike
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- +Janina_Sajka; got it
- 15:06:26 [MichaelC]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Jul/0117.html
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- regrets: Laura_Carlson, Joshue_O'Connor
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- chair: Mike_Smith
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- 15:09:04 [janina]
- zakim, who's here?
- 15:09:04 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Rich, JF, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka
- 15:09:06 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see MikeSmith, Joshue, Zakim, RRSAgent, JF, richardschwerdtfe, judy, davidb, MichaelC, janina, trackbot, [tm]
- 15:09:17 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike-goog
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- q?
- 15:10:48 [JF]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Spec_Review
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
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- 15:12:28 [MikeSmith]
- scribe: MikeSmith
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- Topic: LC review status
- 15:13:31 [MikeSmith]
- richardschwerdtfe: there are some issues with the Editing section
- 15:13:42 [MikeSmith]
- … will be sending some comments on those
- 15:13:57 [MikeSmith]
- richardschwerdtfe: been talking with Janina and will be getting some other IBM people to review
- 15:15:05 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: richardschwerdtfe, would be great if you could update the row for the Editing section in http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Spec_Review
- 15:15:09 [Marco_Ranon]
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- 15:15:13 [Joshue]
- For the record, I have finished my review assignments. I may have some bandwidth to look at some other aspects of the spec - if anyone wants some help please ping me.
- 15:15:22 [MikeSmith]
- JF: I need to look at document metadata
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- … and have signed up for a review for the Obsolete features
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- JF: btw, Chaals was not aware he had been given assignments
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- … and nobody has yet asked Chaals to review
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- … though he is willing to do the review
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- … so should e-mail him to let him know
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- janina: I may have missed him in the batch of mail I sent
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- JF: … or Chaals may have missed your message
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- +??P34
- 15:17:29 [MikeSmith]
- JF: but he will get it processed if you (re)mail him
- 15:17:42 [Marco_Ranon]
- zakim, ??P34 is me
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- +Marco_Ranon; got it
- 15:17:47 [Marco_Ranon]
- zakim, mute me
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- Marco_Ranon should now be muted
- 15:19:19 [MikeSmith]
- janina: got a message from Greg Lowny, he found that when he followed some links from the TR WD, it took him to the ED
- 15:23:57 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: can't reproduce that
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
- 15:24:31 [MikeSmith]
- janina: about the other part of his question, will ask that on the HTML WG today
- 15:25:19 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: any suggestions about what we could ask Joshue to look at
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- Cynthia: did we schedule a long call?
- 15:26:03 [MikeSmith]
- janina: not yet
- 15:26:15 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: we should do that on this call today
- 15:28:43 [MikeSmith]
- Cynthia: could use some help with the ones that I been planning on getting Microsoft review for
- 15:29:51 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: those are: Structure, Syntax, SVG, Scripting, MathML
- 15:30:50 [MikeSmith]
- Joshue, can you agree to reviewing the Scripting sections?
- 15:31:23 [MikeSmith]
- as well as any of those other ones?
- 15:31:28 [Joshue]
- No worries Mike
- 15:31:36 [MikeSmith]
- Joshue, thanks
- 15:31:51 [MikeSmith]
- Cynthia: What about Charles Pritchard?
- 15:31:52 [Joshue]
- I'll take scripting, may need some help with that as I'm not a big script monkey
- 15:32:21 [MikeSmith]
- JF: Charles is busy with canvas
- 15:32:28 [Marco_Ranon]
- It's Lynn Holdsworth for scriptin. She can't be on the call today.
- 15:33:44 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: would be good to get some more eyes on that Scripting section
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- [discussing possible people]
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- janina: I will ask David Bolter and Chaals
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
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- Topic: scheduling long call for LC review
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- MichaelC: we only had 8 people respond
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- 6
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- MichaelC: 11am Boston to 3pm Boston time on July 28
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- Topic: Subteam updates
- 15:41:53 [MikeSmith]
- richardschwerdtfe: for canvas subteam, news is that we have a patch for Webkit, some movement from Mozilla
- 15:42:32 [MikeSmith]
- … will write a change proposal, also start working on writing up refinement of previous spec
- 15:42:49 [MikeSmith]
- JF: for media subteam, we have some issues that are kind of dangling
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- … about hierarchical navigation
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- janina: we are waiting for implementations to play with on that
- 15:43:52 [MikeSmith]
- JF: another case is what to do when your descriptive audio is longer than the alloteed time
- 15:44:01 [MikeSmith]
- … how to control the timeline
- 15:44:14 [MikeSmith]
- … comes down to, we have to pause the video to get everything synched
- 15:44:22 [MikeSmith]
- … I think we are on the same page for that
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- JF: other outstanding issue is poster als
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- s/als/alt/
- 15:44:50 [MikeSmith]
- JF: I have a formal objection on that
- 15:45:11 [MikeSmith]
- JF: Silvia believes aria-describedby is a solution for this
- 15:45:49 [MikeSmith]
- JF: I don't think we are going to see the browsers will come up with a mechanism that takes that non-visible content and make it visible
- 15:46:03 [MikeSmith]
- JF: this is related to other alternative-text stuff
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- janina: in that instance, we are also waiting for a proof of concept
- 15:46:45 [MikeSmith]
- … from the requirements side, we have made it clear that we need for the markup to be preserved
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- janina: so we are in a holding pattern on that
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- JF: we did have a bit of breakthrough in that Sylvia agrees that we need two textual descriptions
- 15:48:18 [MikeSmith]
- janina: for the text subteam, we met this week and we asked people to focus on LC review
- 15:49:02 [MikeSmith]
- janina: we met with Paul a week ago, and agreed that yes indeed the priority is bugs for August 3rd
- 15:49:24 [MikeSmith]
- … JF has writing up a detailed response for Jonas on longdesc
- 15:49:46 [MikeSmith]
- … trying to make a sort of standard, well-formed response to some questions that keep coming up
- 15:50:13 [MikeSmith]
- … for lack of better term, position papers
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
- 15:50:38 [Marco_Ranon]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
- 15:50:45 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: bug triage subteam?
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- janina: I need to talk with LJW about that
- 15:51:48 [MikeSmith]
- janina: LJW, wanted to know if you would be wiling to be the facilitator for the bug-triage subteam
- 15:52:03 [MikeSmith]
- LJW: maybe we could talk more about it offline
- 15:52:23 [MikeSmith]
- janina: [gives a description of the duties involved]
- 15:53:03 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: so next step is to have an offline discussion with LJW about it
- 15:53:17 [Marco_Ranon]
- zakim, mute me
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- Marco_Ranon should now be muted
- 15:53:59 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: what about ARIA Mappings subteam
- 15:54:15 [MikeSmith]
- Cynthia: Steve has not been available at our regular time, is away on vacation
- 15:54:28 [MikeSmith]
- … we have also been working on the ARIA implementation guide
- 15:54:55 [MikeSmith]
- … has been sitting on the back burner for longer than I'd like, will get with Steve about it when he gets back
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- Topic: Scribe volunteers for next week's call
- 15:56:35 [MikeSmith]
- MikeSmith: we have Marco_Ranon, JF, Cynthia, MichaelC
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- MikeSmith: any other business?
- 15:57:03 [Marco_Ranon]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- adjourned
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- -Janina_Sajka
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- -JF
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- -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- -Marco_Ranon
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- -Mike
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- disconnecting the lone participant, Rich, in WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
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- WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Rich, JF, Mike, Michael_Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Janina_Sajka, Cynthia_Shelly, Marco_Ranon
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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