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19:32:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WPWG
19:32:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
19:32:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
19:32:46 <trackbot> Date: 20 July 2011
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20:00:26 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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20:00:56 <JatinderMann> Present+ JatinderMann
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20:01:06 <JatinderMann> present+ NicJansma
20:01:37 <Zakim> +Plh
20:02:08 <JatinderMann> present+ Philippe
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20:04:57 <JatinderMann> Topic: Discuss feedback on the unifying updates to Navigation, Resource and User Timing.
20:05:10 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aabb
20:06:25 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Should we separate PerformanceEntry and PerformanceEntryList interfaces from the Navigation Timing in order to avoid taking Navigation Timing to last call? Should we add PerformanceEntry and PerformanceEntryList to its own spec or have it live in Resource Timing?
20:07:07 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Is one of the concerns that by taking the definitions out of Navigation Timing, we can avoid taking Navigation Timing back to last call?
20:08:48 <JatinderMann> Zhiheng: That is one of the concerns, but the main one is that the Timing attribute will not inherit PerformanceTiming.
20:09:45 <JatinderMann> Philippe: By putting PerformanceEntry into it's seperate spec, it will take at least three months before it can get to recommended. That means that Navigation Timing will not be able to move forward for at least three months.
20:14:16 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Now that Navigation Timing has a complete test suite and two implementations, what remains to do for Navigation Timing to get to Recommended.
20:15:31 <JatinderMann> Philippe: Navigation Timing will depend on HTML5 and WebIDL specs. For HTML5, we can take an exception, but we will still need to wait for WebIDL to mature before we can take Navigation Timing to Recommended.
20:16:41 <JatinderMann> Philippe: We should seperate the PerformanceEntry and PerformanceEntryList into a new spec.
20:17:43 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Why don't we call the new spec Performance Timeline, as that is what we refer to it currently.
20:17:49 <JatinderMann> James: I like the name.
20:18:37 <JatinderMann> Philippe: Remove supplemental from User Timing and use Partial.
20:18:54 <JatinderMann> Action Jatinder to update User Timing and Page Visibility specs to use Partial in the IDL.
20:18:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Update User Timing and Page Visibility specs to use Partial in the IDL. [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-07-27].
20:19:37 <JatinderMann> Action Jatinder to remove PerformanceEntry and PerformanceEntryList and associated methods from Navigation Timing into a new Performance Timeline spec.
20:19:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Remove PerformanceEntry and PerformanceEntryList and associated methods from Navigation Timing into a new Performance Timeline spec. [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-07-27].
20:21:12 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Once Performance Timeline spec has been published, we can take both Performance Timeline and User Timing to first public working draft next week 7/27.
20:22:45 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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20:22:47 <Zakim> -Plh
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20:22:50 <Zakim> RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM has ended
20:22:51 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Plh, +1.650.691.aaaa, +1.650.214.aabb
21:01:44 <Zakim> RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM has now started
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21:02:02 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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21:03:51 <heycam> Zakim, ??P1 is me
21:03:51 <Zakim> +heycam; got it
21:04:09 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Per WG decision, Page Visibility spec will be in Last Call from July 21st to August 18th.
21:05:12 <JatinderMann> Topic: Discuss progress on requestAnimationFrame open items.
21:06:33 <JatinderMann> Action Jatinder to add reference to WebIDL in the Page Visibility spec.
21:06:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Add reference to WebIDL in the Page Visibility spec. [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-07-27].
21:07:20 <JatinderMann> Cameron: I don't have any updates this week. James said on the mailing list that he will have some updates.
21:07:51 <JatinderMann> Philippe: We now have a new testing framework, I will go ahead and move the test suites to this framework. There may be bugs that I may open based on this move.
21:08:29 <JatinderMann> Jatinder: Considering James and Jason aren't on the call today, we can hold on the setImmediate discussion today.
21:08:40 <JatinderMann> Philippe: Cameron, how is the WebIDL Last Call coming?
21:08:51 <JatinderMann> Cameron: I'm working on spec bugs currently.
21:09:34 <JatinderMann> Philippe: Is it your sentiment that WebIDL spec will go to another Last Call?
21:10:20 <JatinderMann> Cameron: It may seem like a second last call is necessary.
21:10:55 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:10:57 <Zakim> -heycam
21:10:57 <Zakim> -Plh
21:10:59 <Zakim> RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM has ended
21:11:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, [Microsoft], heycam
21:12:02 <JatinderMann> rrsagent, create minutes
21:12:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/20-webperf-minutes.html JatinderMann
21:12:12 <JatinderMann> rrsagent, please part
21:12:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items