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14:51:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:51:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
14:51:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:15 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
14:51:15 <trackbot> Date: 18 July 2011
14:53:15 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
14:53:15 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:54:34 <bblfish> agenda +"Accept minutes from previous meeting: http://www.w3.org/2011/07/11-webid-minutes.html"
14:55:21 <bblfish> agenda +"Check Open Actions http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open"
14:55:35 <bblfish> agenda +"WebID and BrowserId discussion"
14:56:56 <bblfish> for those who want to check out this overview "What are the main advantages and disadvantages of webid compared to browserid?" http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/what-are-the-main-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-webid-compared-to-browserid/5424
14:57:50 <scor> scor has joined #webid
14:57:55 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has now started
14:58:02 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aaaa
14:58:12 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is OpenLink_Software
14:58:12 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
14:58:20 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:58:20 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
14:58:29 <Zakim> + +1.781.866.aabb
14:58:41 <scor> zakim, aabb is me
14:58:41 <Zakim> +scor; got it
14:59:00 <MacTed> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:59:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/18-webid-minutes.html MacTed
14:59:04 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:59:11 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
14:59:11 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
14:59:12 <domel> domel has joined #webid
14:59:31 <scor> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:59:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed (muted), scor
14:59:53 <Zakim> + +1.510.931.aacc
15:00:07 <bblfish> Zakim, aacc is me
15:00:07 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:01:01 <Zakim> +??P14
15:01:16 <Zakim> +??P15
15:01:24 <domel> Zakim, I am ??P14
15:01:24 <Zakim> +domel; got it
15:01:26 <bblfish> zakim, bblfish is chair
15:01:26 <Zakim> +chair; got it
15:01:36 <bergi> Zakim, I am ??P15
15:01:36 <Zakim> +bergi; got it
15:01:48 <MacTed> Zakim, chair is bblfish
15:01:48 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:01:53 <jeffsayre> jeffsayre has joined #webid
15:01:55 <MacTed> chair: bblfish
15:02:01 <MacTed> :-)
15:02:08 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
15:02:08 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
15:02:12 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aadd
15:02:44 <MacTed> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:02:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/18-webid-minutes.html MacTed
15:02:50 <jeffsayre> Zakim, I'm +1.650.450.aadd
15:02:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I'm +1.650.450.aadd', jeffsayre
15:02:57 <MacTed> chairnick: bblfish
15:03:03 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:03:06 <MacTed> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:03:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/18-webid-minutes.html MacTed
15:03:10 <jeffsayre> Zakin, jeffsayre is +1.650.450.aaad
15:03:11 <bblfish> Zakim, jeffsayre is aadd
15:03:11 <Zakim> sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'jeffsayre'
15:03:16 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:03:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bergi
15:03:33 <jeffsayre> Zakim, member:jeffsayre is +1.650.450.aaad
15:03:33 <Zakim> sorry, jeffsayre, I do not recognize a party named 'member:jeffsayre'
15:03:41 <MacTed> scribenick: bergi
15:03:51 <jeffsayre> Zakin jeffsayre is +1.650.450.aaad
15:03:51 <bblfish> next agendum
15:03:54 <MacTed> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:03:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/18-webid-minutes.html MacTed
15:04:03 <MacTed> scribe: bergi
15:04:11 <MacTed> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:04:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/18-webid-minutes.html MacTed
15:04:28 <MacTed> Zakim, aaad is jeffsayre
15:04:28 <Zakim> sorry, MacTed, I do not recognize a party named 'aaad'
15:04:38 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:04:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, scor, bblfish, domel, bergi, +1.650.450.aadd
15:04:43 <MacTed> Zakim, aadd is jeffsayre
15:04:43 <Zakim> +jeffsayre; got it
15:04:59 <jeffsayre> :) Thanks, MacTed. 
15:05:06 <bblfish> +1
15:05:10 <jeffsayre> +1
15:05:11 <domel> +1
15:05:11 <bergi> +1
15:05:24 <bblfish> RESOLVED: Minutes approved
15:05:31 <bblfish> agendum next
15:05:36 <bblfish> next agendum
15:06:03 <scor> ok for domel to take on that
15:06:56 <bblfish> close action-34?
15:06:56 <scor> bblfish: yes, close action 44
15:07:08 <scor> s/44/34
15:07:15 <scor> https://github.com/webid-community/webid-spec/commits/master/
15:07:36 <scor> domel's changes merged and pushed
15:07:43 <bblfish> mercurial too>
15:08:27 <bblfish> close ACTION-34
15:08:27 <trackbot> ACTION-34 Add domel's patch closed
15:09:06 <bblfish> agendum next
15:09:11 <bblfish> next agendum
15:09:36 <scor> bblfish: not really, can you summarize the situation?
15:09:55 <bblfish> for those who want to check out this overview "What are the main advantages and disadvantages of webid compared to browserid?" http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/what-are-the-main-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-webid-compared-to-browserid/5424
15:11:27 <jeffsayre> clear
15:12:04 <bergi> bblfish: browserid started by mozilla
15:12:24 <bergi> pure javascript, no tls
15:12:48 <bergi> browser plugin required
15:13:01 <bblfish> Question: does browser id to work in a distributed fashion need browser plugin or changes?
15:14:14 <bblfish> Need a javascript expert
15:16:10 <bergi> running demo available
15:16:17 <bergi> cert from email provider
15:16:30 <bergi> cert in json
15:17:11 <bblfish> Question: where do they put the certificate currently
15:19:54 <bblfish> Question: if the javascript provided the Relying Party can create a web page that present the user with a set of ids (e-mail to chose from) then how is it possible that those cannot get sent back to the RP?
15:21:56 <domel> mailto: scheme (defined in RFC 2368) allows to include WebID to mail URI i.e. mailto:domel@example.com?uid=http://example.org/profile#me (this param should be encoded)
15:22:18 <bblfish> cool domel
15:27:11 <bergi> browserid check the public key of the signer, webid uses self signed certs
15:27:42 <bergi> but webid id is flexible
15:27:50 <jeffsayre> +1
15:28:01 <jeffsayre> +1 on the understanding, that it!
15:28:55 <jeffsayre> +q
15:30:00 <bblfish> jeff
15:30:09 <bergi> browserid makes email providers naming authorities
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15:35:17 <bblfish> scor?
15:37:35 <bblfish> yes, I mentioned that here: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/5323/what-are-the-downsides-of-browserid-compared-to-openid-oauth-facebook/5390#5390
15:44:28 <bblfish> http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/5406/what-are-the-main-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-webid-compared-to-browserid/5424
15:47:05 <Zakim> +??P4
15:48:17 <mike> I am +??P4
15:50:43 <bblfish> perhaps ask Nathan look at BrowerId
15:50:55 <bblfish> or Manu from Digital Bazaar
15:56:11 <bergi> browserid javascript technology may be interesting for webid
15:59:46 <bblfish> Issuser Altnateive Names
16:01:09 <Zakim> -bblfish
16:01:17 <bblfish> have I gone?
16:01:41 <MacTed> yes
16:01:51 <MacTed> and we've just past the hour ... so it may be best to close
16:01:52 <mike> yes I can't hear you
16:02:06 <jeffsayre> We should continue later.
16:02:12 <mike> bye
16:02:13 <bblfish> later hwne?
16:02:13 <Zakim> -scor
16:02:19 <Zakim> -??P4
16:02:23 <jeffsayre> I will be away from the WebID IRC meeting the next two weeks.
16:02:23 <bblfish> later when?
16:02:28 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
16:02:28 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.781.273.aaaa, MacTed, +1.781.866.aabb, scor, +1.510.931.aacc, domel, bergi, bblfish, +1.650.450.aadd, jeffsayre
16:02:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/18-webid-minutes.html trackbot
16:02:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:02:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items