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14:53:10 <kaz> zakim, ??P6 is Clarke_Stevens
14:53:10 <Zakim> +Clarke_Stevens; got it
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14:57:35 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:57:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Clarke_Stevens
14:57:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see sGondo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, duncanr, Clarke, trackbot
14:59:24 <Zakim> +Russell_Berkoff
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15:01:02 <Zakim> +??P11
15:02:01 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:02:10 <Zakim> +Jan_Lindquist
15:02:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Clarke_Stevens, Russell_Berkoff, ??P11, Jan_Lindquist
15:02:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, aizu, sGondo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, duncanr, Clarke, trackbot
15:03:15 <Zakim> +??P36
15:03:20 <aizu> Zakim, ??P36 is me
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15:03:43 <Zakim> +??P39
15:04:00 <kaz> zakim, ??P11 is Gondo
15:04:03 <Zakim> +aizu; got it
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15:04:25 <kaz> zakim, ??P36 is Duncan
15:04:35 <Zakim> +Gondo; got it
15:04:40 <kaz> zakim, ??P39 is Igarashi
15:04:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P36 as aizu, kaz
15:05:03 <Zakim> +Igarashi; got it
15:05:08 <kaz> zakim, ??P38 is Duncan
15:05:20 <Zakim> +Duncan; got it
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15:06:11 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is Mark_Vickers
15:06:11 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers; got it
15:06:19 <kaz> Chair: Clarke
15:06:22 <kaz> Scribe: Kaz
15:06:26 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
15:06:37 <kaz> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_14th_July_2011
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15:06:53 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Jul/0026.html
15:07:38 <kaz> clarke: start use case discussion
15:07:47 <Clarke> Use case 1: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Client_Ad_Insertion
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15:08:28 <kaz> topic: ISSUE-31
15:08:30 <kaz> issue-31?
15:08:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- Client Ad Insertion -- raised
15:08:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/31
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15:08:48 <kaz> clarke: (explains the use case - issue-31)
15:09:53 <kaz> ... overlay and insertion
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15:10:31 <kaz> ... local addition
15:10:52 <kaz> jan: question about in-bound/out-bound
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15:11:12 <kaz> ... SCTE 35 covers both?
15:11:22 <kaz> clarke: does cover in-bound
15:11:34 <kaz> ... what about out-bound, Mark?
15:11:38 <kaz> mark: don't know
15:11:43 <kaz> jan: can check
15:12:18 <kaz> s/out-bound/out-of-band/g
15:12:29 <kaz> s/in-bound/in-band/g
15:12:38 <Zakim> -aizu
15:12:47 <kaz> clarke: also allows local content to be played
15:12:51 <kaz> ... and added
15:13:20 <kaz> ... application besides advertisement should be supported
15:14:02 <kaz> ... also some requirements derived
15:14:17 <kaz> ... timed text queue
15:14:23 <kaz> ... for advertisement
15:14:26 <Zakim> +??P54
15:14:42 <JanL_> +q
15:15:01 <kaz> ... may be multiple media stream
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15:15:08 <kaz> s/stream/streams/
15:15:29 <kaz> ... content segment specified by time
15:15:41 <kaz> ... overlay on the existing stream
15:15:56 <kaz> s/on/over/
15:16:04 <kaz> ... any requirements or questions?
15:16:06 <kaz> ack jan
15:16:10 <kaz> jan: two comments
15:17:08 <kaz> ... maybe should be more generic (rather than SCTE 35)
15:17:17 <kaz> clarke: completely agree
15:17:25 <kaz> ... not try to copy SCTE 35
15:17:36 <kaz> ... just want to SCTE 35 covered
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15:18:02 <kaz> jan: client content insertion
15:18:14 <Clarke> q?
15:18:26 <kaz> s/client/should be rather "client"/
15:18:35 <kaz> s/client"/client/
15:18:41 <kaz> s/insertion/insertion"/
15:18:45 <kaz> clarke: ok
15:19:50 <kaz> topic: Media Synchronous Web Content (ISSUE-32)
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15:20:13 <Clarke> Use case 2: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Media_Synchronous_Web_Content
15:20:26 <kaz> issue-32?
15:20:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- Media Synchronized Web Content -- raised
15:20:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/32
15:20:38 <kaz> clarke: media synchronous Web content
15:20:50 <kaz> ... presumably streaming media content
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15:21:09 <kaz> ... (explains the use case)
15:21:23 <kaz> s/case/case description/
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15:21:53 <kaz> ... the content provider can signal messages that control Web content lifecycle
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15:22:59 <kaz> ... track elements expected to only at the beginning of a media stream
15:23:26 <kaz> ... make sense?
15:23:35 <kaz> ... (motivation)
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15:24:44 <kaz> ... don't have any specific standard here
15:25:04 <kaz> ... but one example is CableLabs' EISS
15:25:30 <kaz> jan: reference to EISS?
15:25:42 <kaz> ... isn't MPEG-7 another example?
15:25:59 <kaz> clarke: will add reference
15:26:37 <kaz> ... timed text track cue
15:26:40 <kaz> s/queue/cue/
15:27:16 <kaz> ... need to identify paused/record/etc.
15:27:26 <kaz> ... any additional requirements?
15:28:01 <kaz> topic: Timed Text (ISSUE-33)
15:28:44 <Clarke> Use case 3: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Timed_Text
15:28:54 <kaz> issue-33?
15:28:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-33 -- Timed Text -- raised
15:28:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/33
15:29:09 <kaz> clarke: just called "Timed Text"
15:29:40 <kaz> ... basically, timed text for "closed captions" and "subtitles"
15:30:13 <kaz> ... Government-mandated standards
15:31:22 <kaz> Mark: feedback from HTML5?
15:31:42 <kaz> ... I'm not an expert of closed captions or subtitles
15:31:58 <kaz> ... but the Accessibility Group should have been working with HTML5 group
15:32:00 <kaz> q+
15:32:12 <kaz> jan: old issue with <video> element
15:32:38 <kaz> ... subtitle is not by default selected
15:32:59 <kaz> ... there is a requirement put on the bugzilla
15:33:43 <kaz> ... application would know how to switch subtitles
15:33:51 <kaz> ... which one to use first and which one next
15:34:30 <kaz> ... covered by issue-18
15:34:59 <kaz> clarke: multiple-language caption
15:35:14 <kaz> jan: suggestion is merging issue-33 and issue-18
15:35:17 <kaz> clarke: good idea
15:35:49 <kaz> ... anything to add, Mark?
15:35:51 <kaz> mark: no
15:35:53 <kaz> q?
15:37:14 <kaz> kaz: anybody interested in HTML5 LC comments?
15:38:27 <kaz> mark: I'm interested but how to organize the review?
15:39:10 <kaz> kaz: will send a message and suggest a possible procedure
15:39:37 <kaz> action: kaz to send out a message on HTML5 LC comments from the Web and TV IG
15:39:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Send out a message on HTML5 LC comments from the Web and TV IG [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2011-07-21].
15:40:01 <kaz> q?
15:40:34 <kaz> mark: looking at the HTML5 editor's draft asking for review
15:41:13 <kaz> ... there is specific format expected for the review
15:41:48 <kaz> jan: we should be very careful
15:42:05 <kaz> clarke: they're not looking for new features
15:42:08 <kaz> q?
15:42:19 <mav_> From http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html "Feedback Comments Please enter your feedback, carefully indicating the title of the section for which you are submitting feedback, quoting the text that's wrong today if appropriate. If you're suggesting a new feature, it's really important to say what the problem you're trying to solve is. That's more important than the solution, in fact.  "
15:44:20 <kaz> kaz: also the WAI-PF group is interested in the IG's work
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15:44:55 <kaz> ... will send a message to continue the discussion
15:45:24 <kaz> action: kaz to send a message to the IG list and start discussion about possible joint meeting with WAI-PF group during TPAC 2011
15:45:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Send a message to the IG list and start discussion about possible joint meeting with WAI-PF group during TPAC 2011 [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2011-07-21].
15:45:34 <Clarke> Use case 4: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/MPTF_Discussions/Adaptive_Bit_Rate_Delivery
15:45:50 <kaz> topic: Adaptive Bit Rate Delivery (ISSUE-34)
15:45:52 <kaz> issue-34?
15:45:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adaptive Bit Rate Delivery -- raised
15:45:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/34
15:46:17 <kaz> clarke: this is adaptive bit rate
15:47:08 <kaz> ... assume sending video content on a reliable network
15:47:31 <kaz> ... user agent can support multiple adaptive bit rate
15:48:18 <kaz> ... (explains the description)
15:50:12 <kaz> jan: how can you introduce adaptive bit rate which is not supported natively?
15:50:26 <kaz> clarke: in the protocol some tag could be added
15:50:45 <kaz> jan: similar issue in issue-18
15:51:14 <kaz> ... should have a standard way for the extension
15:51:45 <kaz> clarke: ok
15:52:01 <kaz> jan: point 2 should be modified
15:52:26 <kaz> ... next comment is
15:52:35 <kaz> ... we don't have to conclude the point 3
15:52:54 <kaz> clarke: these are examples we might want
15:54:13 <mav_> q+
15:54:20 <kaz> jan: we (=Open IPTV Forum) have supported JavaScript APIs for that purpose
15:54:26 <kaz> q?
15:54:29 <kaz> ack k
15:54:30 <kaz> adk m
15:54:36 <igarashi> q+
15:54:40 <Clarke> q?
15:54:51 <kaz> mark: item 1 is currently supported
15:55:01 <kaz> ... but 2, 3 are not supported by standard way
15:56:16 <kaz> clarke: might not be supported is continuing streams
15:57:08 <kaz> jan: something is missing. we should consider changes over time
15:57:24 <kaz> clarke: we're out of time
15:57:32 <kaz> ... don't think we can finish issue-34 today
15:58:20 <kaz> ... any questions?
15:58:36 <kaz> mark: we should handle content protection as well
15:58:42 <kaz> clarke: like that idea
15:58:53 <kaz> jan: probably a category of use cases
15:59:10 <kaz> mark: maybe more than one use cases, but might be just one
15:59:24 <kaz> q+
15:59:54 <kaz> clarke: if you want to include that topic into the scope of this TF
16:00:07 <kaz> ... I'll change the charter's scope
16:00:23 <kaz> jan: we don't have any mechanism for DRM
16:00:39 <kaz> ... for <video> element
16:01:14 <kaz> ... would be better to have extension for <video> element about DRM first
16:01:40 <kaz> mark: something like plug-in or new standard API?
16:01:49 <kaz> jan: thinking about standard API
16:01:57 <kaz> s/about DRM/about content protection/
16:02:19 <kaz> s/first/first, and then we could consider DRM/
16:02:36 <kaz> mark: agree
16:02:55 <kaz> ... no DRM could be standardized by W3C
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16:03:13 <kaz> ... so if there is some extension mechanism for proprietary DRM systems
16:03:21 <kaz> ... it would be good
16:04:05 <kaz> ... extensible <video> element would be a use case
16:04:27 <kaz> clarke: I won't be here
16:04:44 <kaz> ... is anybody interested in charing the call next week?
16:05:00 <kaz> mark: maybe focused on HTML5 extension
16:05:29 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
16:05:34 <Zakim> -Jan_Lindquist
16:05:36 <Zakim> -Clarke_Stevens
16:05:38 <kaz> kaz: who will chair the call next week then?
16:05:45 <Zakim> -Duncan
16:05:49 <Zakim> -Igarashi
16:05:51 <Zakim> -Gondo
16:05:53 <kaz> clarke: will talk with people about that.
16:05:59 <kaz> [ adjourend ]
16:06:03 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:06:06 <Clarke> Igarashi, I apologize we didn't get to you.
16:06:25 <kaz> s/adjourend/adjourned/
16:06:33 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:06:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Russell_Berkoff, ??P54
16:06:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, JanL_, aizu, sGondo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, duncanr, Clarke, trackbot
16:06:43 <Clarke> Do you have something you want to add now, or is it something you can bring up on the reflector or next week?
16:07:02 <kaz> q?
16:07:11 <kaz> ack mav_
16:07:16 <kaz> ack k
16:07:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/14-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:08:09 <Clarke> Thanks again, Kaz
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16:20:17 <kaz> Meeting: MPTF weekly teleconf
16:20:21 <kaz> Present: Kazuyuki, Clarke_Stevens, Russell_Berkoff, Jan_Lindquist, Gondo, Aizu, Duncan, Igarashi, Mark_Vickers
16:20:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:20:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/14-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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18:04:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Clarke_Stevens, Russell_Berkoff, Jan_Lindquist, aizu, Gondo, Igarashi, Duncan, +1.650.483.aaaa, Mark_Vickers
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