IRC log of htmlt on 2011-07-12

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15:01:01 [krisk]

zakim, this is htmlt

15:01:01 [Zakim]

krisk, I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be htmlt".

15:01:18 [krisk]

zakim, this will be htmlt

15:01:18 [Zakim]

ok, krisk; I see HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM scheduled to start now

15:03:39 [krisk]

I can dial in if someone else wants to talk on the phone

15:03:53 [krisk]

though given who is present we can just do this on IRC

15:04:42 [krisk]

Agenda -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Jul/0002.html

15:05:34 [krisk]

Item #1 bugs on approved tests

15:05:41 [krisk]

Bugzilla link -> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=HTML+WG&component=testsuite&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=inclu

15:06:50 [krisk]

We have no new bugs

15:07:35 [krisk]

Still need to hear back from plh about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12896

15:09:09 [krisk]

Moving on to the next agenda item

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Agenda Item #2 HTML5lib dat file format standardize for parser tests

15:10:59 [Zakim]

HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has now started

15:11:06 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

15:11:18 [plh]

zakim, passcode?

15:11:18 [Zakim]

the conference code is 48658 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), plh

15:11:31 [krisk]

I just dialed into the phone, with plh joining the conf call

15:11:34 [Zakim]

+Philippe

15:12:02 [krisk]

zakim, Microsoft is me

15:12:02 [Zakim]

+krisk; got it

15:12:20 [gsnedders]

I am very vaguely around, but have been offline for the past week

15:14:47 [krisk]

We have had a few emails about html5lib parser tests and a good number of tests have been submitted

15:15:26 [krisk]

IE10 Platform Preview 2 has support for the HTML5 parser rules that are described in the HTML5 spec

15:16:28 [krisk]

Microsoft is intrested in submitting parser tests and it seems that we should standardize on using 'dat' files for all parser tests

15:17:32 [krisk]

This would change our approval requirements a bit - but should help given that the format seems to work fine for the task (testing the parser)

15:18:22 [gsnedders]

The parser test data file format is documented at http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Parser_tests#Tree_Construction_Tests

15:20:12 [krisk]

jgraham I assume you are fine with this given you have submitted tests in this format

15:21:16 [krisk]

jgraham are you around?

15:21:30 [gsnedders]

I believe he is on vacation

15:22:47 [krisk]

OK

15:23:11 [gsnedders]

But certainly the general Opera view is we should use that format.

15:23:19 [krisk]

Good

15:23:49 [krisk]

I wanted to ask him (you may know) why we don't have the 'dat' files seperated from the html tests that he submitted

15:24:08 [krisk]

The tests look like the dat file was encoded and is embedded as a stream

15:24:14 [krisk]

..in each test

15:24:48 [krisk]

Ideally we can re-use the dat file for multiple tests - e.g. one for document.write, one for innerhtml, etc..

15:24:54 [gsnedders]

I don't know.

15:25:17 [gsnedders]

jgraham did almost all the work for our HTML5 parser, not me.

15:25:33 [krisk]

We'll have to wait till he is back from vacation

15:26:21 [krisk]

The last agenda item is to note that we have a few more test submissions

15:27:08 [krisk]

If you look at the logs we have a new participant from Mozilla

15:27:27 [krisk]

see -> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html/rev/fa355c1c454f (Matheus Kerschbaum)

15:27:45 [plh]

great

15:28:15 [plh]

oh, but this is a Mochi test

15:28:27 [plh]

he is not using testharness.js :-/

15:28:40 [krisk]

I'll send him an email on the list

15:29:01 [krisk]

with an example...so he doesn't create a bunch of tests in the wrong format

15:34:25 [krisk]

The David Barron created a few tests so in theory Mozilla is aware of the test format requirements

15:34:46 [krisk]

Note that Microsoft will be submitting some more HTMl5 tests for...

15:35:06 [krisk]

SCA (structured cloneing algorythm)

15:35:11 [krisk]

HTML5 Forms

15:35:28 [krisk]

HTML5 async

15:36:04 [krisk]

For HTML5 async we will need some help getting a php file added to the server (just to add a delay)

15:37:24 [krisk]

HTML5 Drag and Drop

15:37:37 [krisk]

and HTML5 Sandbox

15:38:22 [krisk]

These will all be in the normal test harness

15:39:30 [krisk]

The only exception will be in the drag and drop tests which need a person to perform the drag action with the mouse

15:42:11 [plh]

http://www.w3.org/2011/08/browser-testing-charter.html

15:42:18 [plh]

(so that people are aware of this here)

15:46:37 [krisk]

Let's adjorn - unless anyone has anything else to discuss

15:46:59 [Zakim]

-Philippe

15:47:04 [Zakim]

-krisk

15:47:05 [Zakim]

HTML_WG(HTMLT)11:00AM has ended

15:47:05 [Zakim]

Attendees were Philippe, krisk

15:47:06 [krisk]

RRSAgent, make logs public

15:47:15 [krisk]

rrsagent, generate minutes

15:47:15 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/12-htmlt-minutes.html krisk

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17:40:46 [plh]

rrsagent, bye

17:40:46 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items