IRC log of mediafrag on 2011-07-06
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 06 July 2011
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- IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
- 08:58:54 [raphael]
- Chair: Erik, Raphael
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- + +421209aaaa
- 08:59:05 [doublec]
- Zakim, aaaa is me
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- +doublec; got it
- 08:59:12 [raphael]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jul/0003.html
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- +raphael
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- Present: raphael, chris, davy, yves, thomas, silvia
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- Regrets: jack, philip
- 09:00:33 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- +Yves
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- 09:03:45 [doublec]
- Zakim, mute me
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- doublec should now be muted
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- +Davy
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- Zakim, unmute me
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- 09:05:46 [raphael]
- Topic: 1. Admin
- 09:05:52 [doublec]
- Zakim, mute me
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- doublec should now be muted
- 09:06:05 [raphael]
- PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon, http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-mediafrag-minutes.html
- 09:06:10 [davy]
- +1
- 09:06:12 [raphael]
- +1
- 09:06:12 [doublec]
- +1
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- minutes accepted
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- +tomayac
- 09:06:24 [raphael]
- ACTION-203?
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- ACTION-203 -- Thomas Steiner to build a media fragment URI parser in javascript -- due 2011-01-31 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/203
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- ACTION-230?
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- ACTION-230 -- Raphaël Troncy to open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN
- 09:06:36 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/230
- 09:07:01 [raphael]
- close ACTION-230
- 09:07:01 [trackbot]
- ACTION-230 Open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec closed
- 09:07:18 [raphael]
- Raphael: results of the poll have shown by a short majority to not split the spec at this stage
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- Topic: 2. Spec Maintenance
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- ACTIOn-229?
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- ACTION-229 -- Raphaël Troncy to bring the CSS/SVG/Media Fragments possible issues to the CG group -- due 2011-06-29 -- OPEN
- 09:07:33 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/229
- 09:09:15 [doublec]
- Sounds good
- 09:09:30 [tomayac]
- +1
- 09:09:38 [davy]
- +1
- 09:09:40 [raphael]
- Raphael: we should perhaps say explicitely in the spec that the behaviour of multi resolution images is undefined for media fragments
- 09:09:42 [erik]
- +1
- 09:09:59 [raphael]
- ... this will address the comments from fantasai
- 09:11:40 [raphael]
- ... should we edit http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#media-fragment-display ?
- 09:12:48 [raphael]
- Yves: rather after http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#naming-space in a note
- 09:13:51 [Yves]
- Note that in the case of pixel-based clipping areas, application of those areas to multi-resolution visual media is undefined.
- 09:14:06 [Yves]
- (multi-resolutions)
- 09:15:49 [doublec]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- doublec should no longer be muted
- 09:16:17 [raphael]
- Chris: send comments regarding the ABNF syntax of npt
- 09:17:40 [raphael]
- Yves: indeed, the grammar is just here for validating the syntax ... you need to do your own parsing rules to implement the grammar
- 09:18:01 [raphael]
- ... I will look at my own parser since I don't remember to have any issues
- 09:18:58 [raphael]
- ... I will check if my grammar is in syn with the spec
- 09:19:04 [doublec]
- Zakim, mute me
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- doublec should now be muted
- 09:19:14 [raphael]
- ACTION: Yves to check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec
- 09:19:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-231 - Check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec [on Yves Lafon - due 2011-07-13].
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- Topic: 3. Test Cases
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- ACTION-223?
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- ACTION-223 -- Raphaël Troncy to start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/223
- 09:20:12 [raphael]
- close ACTION-223
- 09:20:13 [trackbot]
- ACTION-223 Start up a thread for discussion and approval of all test cases for the UA for the temporal dimension closed
- 09:20:35 [raphael]
- Raphael: no discussion on this thread?
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- ... does it mean you *all* agree?
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- 09:21:41 [raphael]
- Davy: if I remember, Opera has some facility to run a test suite and test the briwser
- 09:21:47 [doublec]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- 09:21:47 [raphael]
- s/briwser/browser
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- Chris: we have also a framework to run a test suite
- 09:23:50 [doublec]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases
- 09:23:58 [raphael]
- Chris: I will look at how the TC are written in a machine readable way
- 09:24:09 [davy]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.n3
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.rdf
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- +silvia
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- zakim, mute me
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- Zakim, mute me
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- 09:27:02 [raphael]
- ACTION: Chris to use the machine readable descriptions of the test cases (n3, rdf) for adapting to the Mozilla test suite framework
- 09:27:02 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-232 - Use the machine readable descriptions of the test cases (n3, rdf) for adapting to the Mozilla test suite framework [on Chris Double - due 2011-07-13].
- 09:27:24 [doublec]
- Ok, thanks
- 09:27:57 [doublec]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- 09:28:35 [raphael]
- Thread to consider http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0050.html
- 09:28:39 [silvia]
- I haven't reviewed the recent list either - I did lots earlier - Chris's suggestion sounds good
- 09:30:37 [silvia]
- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see doublec, raphael, Yves, Davy, tomayac, silvia (muted)
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- On IRC I see silvia, erik, tomayac, davy, Zakim, RRSAgent, raphael, foolip, Yves, trackbot, doublec
- 09:30:57 [raphael]
- Raphael: 34 remaining TC that should be valid
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- Chris: I can take the range 66 to 94 and write to the list by tomorrow
- 09:31:37 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- 09:31:38 [tomayac]
- can you simply assign them? raphael?
- 09:31:53 [raphael]
- Silvia: I do 27 to 65
- 09:32:00 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- Zakim, mute me
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- Thomas: I do 6 to 26
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- Raphael: we review those batches next week depending on the problems encountered
- 09:33:31 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- 09:33:49 [raphael]
- Topic: 4. HTML5 liaisin
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- s/liaisin/liaison
- 09:34:08 [raphael]
- Raphael: what is the overall HTML5 timeline?
- 09:34:26 [raphael]
- Silvia: I haven't look at our bugs since a while
- 09:35:10 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
- 09:35:51 [doublec]
- I'll comment in 10723 what I plan to implement
- 09:36:02 [raphael]
- thanks Chris
- 09:36:11 [raphael]
- Raphael: loop attribute, will it be deprecated?
- 09:36:22 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12426
- 09:36:46 [doublec]
- Zakim,un mute me
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- I don't understand 'un mute me', doublec
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- 09:38:24 [raphael]
- Chris: we can revisit the loop attribute by changing to the in media element
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- ... in fragment
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- s/in/int
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- Chris: I will edit the bug with this
- 09:39:47 [silvia]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011May/0162.html
- 09:40:17 [doublec]
- Zakim, mute me
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- 09:41:04 [doublec]
- Yep, I'll comment on the bugs after the call
- 09:41:38 [raphael]
- Raphael: should we organize a group review of the HTML5 spec?
- 09:41:53 [raphael]
- ... or will the bugs entered be enough?
- 09:42:02 [doublec]
- I think the entered bugs are enough
- 09:42:03 [tomayac]
- i guess we're fine w/ the entered bugs
- 09:42:06 [raphael]
- Silvia: I'm not keen to do a full review of the spec, this is a lot of reading
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- Topic: 5. AOB
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- Zakim, unmute me
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- Zakim, mute me
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- -raphael
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- -Yves
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- -tomayac
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- -doublec
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- -silvia
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- -Davy
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- IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +421209aaaa, doublec, raphael, Yves, Davy, tomayac, silvia
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- 09:46:12 [raphael]
- Silvia: when we transition to CR?
- 09:46:24 [raphael]
- Raphael: just after CSS review of the spec
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- ... exiting CR will require to have 2 implementations for all features, some features might get out of the spec if they are not implemented
- 09:47:07 [raphael]
- ... all implementations count (from the group and from outsiders)
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- ScribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
- 09:50:29 [raphael]
- zakim, bye
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- 09:57:57 [silvia]
- doublec: is Mozilla planning to implement the loop attribute?
- 09:58:19 [doublec]
- silvia: yes, but we're a fair way away from doing it
- 09:58:48 [doublec]
- silvia: it requires a bunch of work for us to do gapless audio looping
- 09:59:05 [silvia]
- ok, can I say that you have no immediate plans of implementing it?
- 09:59:13 [doublec]
- that would be true
- 09:59:24 [silvia]
- thanks
- 10:12:11 [raphael]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 10:12:11 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Yves to check if his grammar is in synch with the latest version of the spec [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-irc#T09-19-14
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- ACTION: Chris to use the machine readable descriptions of the test cases (n3, rdf) for adapting to the Mozilla test suite framework [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-mediafrag-irc#T09-27-02