Community Council -- 06 Jul 2011

<evan> Zakim: aacc is evan

<johnmccrae> I'm getting "the conference is restricted at this time"

<hhalpin> scribe: shepazu

johnmccrae, did you use code? 2382?

<hhalpin> the telecon code is "BETA", did you use that john?

<hhalpin> chair: hhalpin

<johnmccrae> ah no

<scribe> scribenick: shepazu

<danbri> i just got thru but not sure as who?

hhalpin: we will be in beta for about a month

<johnmccrae> ok in

<danbri> hhalpin, slow is good

hhalpin: then we will meet periodically as the public council, some team members and the group chairs, to make sure everything is running smoothly

<danbri> which url? there was one saying we'd launch a couple months ago

hhalpin: I hope everyone here has looked at the community group process

<hhalpin> http://www.w3.org/community/

<evan> koalie: thanks

<danbri> hhalpin, I sent text / info for 'Web Schemas' group, just a few minutes ago

hhalpin: let's go through the existing groups...
... ben_friedman is Web Education

??: I haven't been able to join the new group

<Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask if the council and/or w3c team play any kind of match-making role, when groups overlap in coverage

danbri: to what extent will the team play match-maker, to help merge related groups

hhalpin: haven't discussed it, but might not be a bad idea
... we are trying to keep the W3C staff as hands-off as possible

<danbri> does 'existing' count? :)

<danbri> (I meant, existing as a forum is our main deliverable, but sure...)

shepazu: since each group is focused around a single deliverable (if any), it may make sense to have many small, focused groups

<koalie> http://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/participants

http://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/participants

<koalie> the group /ontlexica is no longer available, it's a 404

<danbri> I clicked "log in" and gave my normal W3C username/pass, it logged me into https://www.w3.org/community/forum/wp-admin/ ... a wordpress installation for 'Community and Business Groups Forum'

hhalpin: we want to know what customization people want
... we have tried to make this as social-networking as possible

evan: I like the easy prompting, but we'd like to make it easier to transition existing groups

<hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to migrate federated social web group over to community group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-community-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

evan: the groups existing seem fairly topical... should there be more than one group on a topic, or will it work with one deliverable per group

hhalpin: we are still looking at how deliverables map to mailing lists... we are flexible

<scribe> scribenick: hhalpin

then if you are spawing listserv per spec basis

evan: some of the groups may want to do specs in a list
... others may just want to talk

danbri: the group that we want doesn't want to produce spec
... our general response is to get the Google group to talk to other legal groups
... we've got buttons "Support Groups", but right now its kinda ambiguous
... does it mean +1,
... so lets make it more of a verb

http://www.w3.org/community/webed/

<danbri> https://www.w3.org/community/forum/wp-admin/

<danbri> Service Temporarily Unavailable

<danbri> https://www.w3.org/community/forum/

<Zakim> shepazu, you wanted to see who has seen the walkthru?

shepazu: we are jumping around from low-level bugs to high-level discussion
... we could focus a bit more in the middle

<danbri> so "What can we do to help get this to something launchable?"

danbri: when I logged in I got W3C Forum
... not sure what that is.

http://www.w3.org/community/

<Zakim> danbri, you wanted to offer feedback - you have a button "Support Group" which is ambiguous; there's a natural noun reading, since there are things called "support groups" (eg.

danbri: A sense in which we are serving as ambassadors to the mechanism
... I'm talking to the Google guys and take schema.org and still have an accountability forum
... until today we haven't seen what is done
... we're assuming there will be an issue tracker
... but we don't seem to have this.

<scribe> ACTION: hhalpin to ask issue tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-community-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

http://www.w3.org/community/groups/propose_cg/

schepazu: start a test group

<Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask if groups can use zakim ... if so, how

http://www.w3.org/community/webed/

<koalie> danbri, http://www.w3.org/community/about/faq/

danbri: start with less lists

<koalie> look at section "How are Community and Business Groups Similar? Different?"

<koalie> [[Some important differences:

<koalie> [...]

<koalie> Busines Groups have access to teleconference facilities.

<koalie> ]]

so we could have a flag for group that just for talking shop

make the internal groups are internal

<koalie> comparison table between W3C groups

danbri: if we could point to a list of companies that have said they're OK with it, we'll end up with ghetto of academics and individuals
... we should get an explicit list of groups

hhalpin: is there any other functionality that you guys consider crucial?

danbri: how about cutsomizable homepage
... allow people to adjust basic html, but not flash objects
... change the links and put links to youtube channnels
... right now it feels too templated

<koalie> [from incubator group experience, very few XGs have customized their home]

<koalie> [the preference was to use wiki]

danbri: are there distinct roles, like chairing?

hhalpin: there are no special members

<danbri> i'm ok with not building a super-paranoid super-controlled system at this stage

<danbri> so long as we know how it works is the main thing

danbri: what kinds of controls do we have?

hhalpin: right now case-by-case, alot depnds on scalability

Meeting adjourned

<koalie> reminder that questions go to public-council@w3.org

will do the groups in the following order: Semantic News, Federated Socail Web, Web Schemas

<evan> hhalpin: sorry, question about this

<danbri> whose is Semantic News? I'd +1 that

<evan> Are we still in conference?

<evan> I fell off the internet

<danbri> evan, we're semi-adjourned, while harry does the admin for the above 3 groups

<evan> But I'm back now!

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/community/

<evan> hhalpin: question about process there

<danbri> some of us staying on the phone while he does this, asking a few more questions

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/community/groups/

<michael-IPTC> I stay on IRC for the Semantic News setup

<evan> We've just asked people to move from the old FSW lists and wiki and stuff to the Incubator Group

<evan> I think we're going to get some frustration if we ask people to manually move to the community group

<evan> Is there a way we could automate that process?

<danbri> yeah, mail admin is a miserable thing

<danbri> michael-IPTC, ... really glad to see you're setting a group here :)

<evan> hhalpin: another item

<evan> Which is that we'd talked at the FSWE event about extending PuSH to support privacy

<evan> I think that effort could benefit from its own group

<danbri> i don't see 'faq' in http://www.w3.org/community/

<danbri> except generl w3c one

<scribe> ACTION: link the FAQ in a sort of obvious place on front page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-community-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

<scribe> ACTION: make it clear that the groups don't have to produce regular reports like XGs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-community-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

<scribe> ACTION: should have a special powers for chair, make it clear who chair is in homepage and maybe informal powers of shaping discussion as well as formal powers to customize web-page and kick-out spammers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-community-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

two-tier system, we need a word for that, but maybe not "chair"

danbri: allow group to "label" the chair, primary contact point could be "conveyenor" or "chair"

<scribe> ACTION: we need a more clear accountability process, council is beginning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-community-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

<michael-IPTC> there should only be a set of options for "labelling" a chair - must be clear who takes this role by the Community rules

<koalie> oops

<koalie> lost harry

<danbri> hhalpin, i've got to go too

<danbri> next meeting?

agreed michael

as regards doug's point, it's not fully baked yet process-wise, my hope is to figure out what the minimal process requirements are and keep them minimal.

if we come to consensus, a consensus that should involve the people in beta-testing on requirements for process, then we should bake that into the community group process document.

michael-IPTC, there should be a Semantic News Community Group now.

http://www.w3.org/community/semnews/

michael-IPTC, if you can join the group and have a look around, tell us what you think.

danbri, starting on Web Schema group now

<michael-IPTC> will do right now

<michael-IPTC> oops: clicking the Join This Group on http://www.w3.org/community/semnews/ leads to "Unknow Group" error page

hmmm

<shepazu> trackbot, make minutes

<trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

<shepazu> ah

<koalie> shepazu, RRSAgent makes logs [level] or make minutes

<shepazu> well, that's not confusing at all

<koalie> :)

michael-IPTC, ok we'll file a bug, since the group is "brand" new, it may take a few minutes for the infrastructure to generate properly, although that is very odd.

michael-IPTC, I will file a bug and track the systems team down over it.

evan and danbri, if this bug is reoccurent - i.e. there is a time delay between the group officially starting and the infrastructure rolling out, then you may have to wait till later today or tomorrow to test the infrastructure.

but you can join an existing group and leave to understand the "look and feel"

<michael-IPTC> the SemNews group has now link for Mailing List on its homepage ?

<michael-IPTC> corr: no link

yes, it does

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semnews/

wiki looks fine as well

not sure why delay in letting people join group, I just duplicated that bug

<michael-IPTC> I see, clicking opens a drop down

yes, correct michael

if that is unintuitive perhaps we should change it

<michael-IPTC> maybe add a "down arrow" next to Mailing List

good point

<scribe> ACTION: down arrow for mailing lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/06-community-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel

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Community Council 06 Jul 2011

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Summary of Action Items

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Community Council
06 Jul 2011