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14:54:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:54:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
14:54:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:39 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
14:54:39 <trackbot> Date: 27 June 2011
14:54:52 <bblfish> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:54:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/27-webid-minutes.html bblfish
14:55:40 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has now started
14:55:47 <Zakim> +??P8
14:55:55 <Deiu> Zakim, I am ??P8
14:55:55 <Zakim> +Deiu; got it
15:00:21 <Zakim> +??P11
15:00:36 <bblfish> Zakim, I am ??P11
15:00:36 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:01:10 <bblfish> what is on the agenda
15:01:18 <bblfish> zakim, what is on the agenda
15:01:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is on the agenda', bblfish
15:01:32 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
15:01:32 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
15:01:33 <Zakim> 2. "Review Berlin and Identity in Browser workshops:  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Berlin_meetup_2011" [from bblfish]
15:01:36 <Zakim> 3. "Fixing the main schedule for the next 3-6 months" [from bblfish]
15:02:16 <bblfish> agenda-
15:02:22 <bblfish> agenda- 2
15:02:25 <bblfish> agenda- 3
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15:02:53 <bblfish> agenda +"Accept minutes of previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/06/20-webid-minutes.html"
15:03:18 <Zakim> +bergi
15:03:34 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
15:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Deiu, bblfish, bergi
15:03:54 <Zakim> +??P14
15:04:22 <domel> zakim, I am ??P14
15:04:22 <Zakim> +domel; got it
15:04:28 <bblfish> agendum next
15:04:41 <bblfish> next agendum
15:05:42 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
15:05:49 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:05:49 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
15:05:54 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:05:54 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:06:17 <domel> zakim, who is here?
15:06:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Deiu, bblfish, bergi, domel, MacTed (muted)
15:06:31 <Deiu> +1
15:06:34 <bblfish> +1
15:06:36 <MacTed> +1
15:06:37 <bergi> +1
15:06:48 <domel> +0 (I was apsent)
15:06:57 <bblfish> RESOLVED: Minutes approved
15:07:39 <bblfish> agenda +"Go over what happened in the last week"
15:07:44 <bblfish> agendum next
15:07:53 <bblfish> next agendum
15:09:06 <Deiu> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID_and_Crawlers <- this one?
15:09:37 <bblfish> So as a result of last weeks discussion on LinedData Mailing list
15:10:04 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
15:10:04 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
15:13:50 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Test_Suite
15:13:58 <bblfish> the tests suite wiki page
15:14:33 <bblfish> webid is easy to use curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" --cert your-WebID-cert:password https://bblfish.net:8443/test/WebId
15:15:06 <bblfish> any news from anybody else?
15:15:22 <bblfish> bergi, started with tests suite, and found some issues
15:17:50 <bblfish> bergi we talked about criticial certificate extensions in Berlin
15:18:10 <bblfish> can you add info about that in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Berlin_meetup_2011
15:18:52 <bblfish> bergi was Apache in front of a java server
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15:20:32 <bblfish> all the ssl layers if very that client certificate public decodes the private key encoded token from server
15:20:42 <bblfish> then it can pass the certificate on to the servelet, or php
15:20:44 <bblfish> code
15:21:29 <Zakim> +??P10
15:22:04 <mike> just in via sip -- on mute -- sorry late
15:22:26 <mike> yes
15:23:50 <bblfish> agenda +"Implementors session."
15:23:55 <bblfish> next agendum
15:24:01 <bblfish> we were already in there
15:27:36 <bblfish> the default apache implementations drop certificate that have critical extensions
15:27:44 <mike> If a server doesn't understand critical it MUST not authenticate
15:28:32 <bblfish> we should client test suites, and of the servers that are more flexible, to tell a problematic certificate
15:29:16 <mike> yes agreed! for the test service
15:30:20 <Deiu> Can we submit a feature request to Apache to request more flexibility? Or maybe some sort of verbose option?
15:30:56 <bblfish> +1
15:31:06 <bergi> +1
15:31:10 <domel> +1
15:31:14 <Deiu> +1
15:31:29 <domel> are you testing it on nginx or lighttpd servers?
15:31:50 <Deiu> On standard Apache servers
15:31:51 <bblfish> if you can find the mail that explains how one can get Apache to be more flexible, then if it is a compilation option we should ask them to make it a configurable one
15:33:15 <mike> how much detail is there in the SSL Alert messages?
15:33:48 <bblfish> I think they just send a number back
15:33:58 <bblfish> and there are 4 messages or so
15:36:06 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Test_Suite
15:36:08 <Zakim> -domel
15:36:16 <bblfish> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/file/55f18239ed1a/tests/earl
15:36:26 <bblfish> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/file/55f18239ed1a/tests/earl/test.n3
15:37:06 <mike> my feeling that SSL alert should be handled better by the browsers rathern that forcing service software to allow failed authn to continue inorder to show info on why SSL layer failed (notwithstanding test services which we can do what we like) so -1 for earlier Apache
15:37:12 <bblfish> wit:certificateCriticalExtensionsOk a earl:TestRequirement;
15:37:13 <bblfish>     50  dct:title "The certificate contains no unecessary critical extension";
15:37:14 <bblfish>     51  dct:description "Critical Extensions are not a direct problem for WebID, but can cause many servers to reject the certificate before the WebID code gets to see the certificate. These tests should not generate errors but only warnings" .
15:37:14 <bblfish>     52 
15:37:48 <mike> for testing yes
15:38:22 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:38:22 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:39:13 <mike> yes browser side interpretation, but don't break SSL protocol?
15:39:53 <mike> harder to get buyin if promoting use of diviation from SSL standard
15:39:58 <bblfish> https://github.com/bblfish/TLS_test
15:40:17 <bblfish> that will allow set different tLS responses and see the how browsers react
15:42:42 <bblfish> here are the error response messages https://github.com/bblfish/TLS_test/blob/master/src/main/java/net/bblfish/test/SSLTestServer.java
15:43:02 <mike> looking.
15:44:02 <mike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security
15:44:20 <mike> under Alert protocol
15:44:25 <mike> many errors
15:45:18 <mike> no indeed ...
15:49:30 <bblfish> http://openid4.me/
15:50:00 <mike> for shibboleth
15:50:06 <bblfish> mike is writer enhancer for shiboleth
15:51:53 <bblfish> what is the issue with WebID on https://webid.fcns.eu/ when using Safari on OSX 
15:51:55 <bblfish> ?
15:54:02 <mike> not at the mo
15:54:08 <mike> need to understand the issue more
15:54:56 <mike> which webid provider is breaking with fcns?
15:55:14 <Zakim> +??P13
15:55:19 <mike> any webid then
15:55:23 <bblfish> Connecting With Safari on OSX
15:55:47 <mike> not got a safari to hand
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15:57:05 <domel> zakim, who is here?
15:57:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Deiu, bblfish, bergi, MacTed (muted), ??P10, ??P13
15:57:25 <mike> Should be able to see this on the wire then (I thought with SNI)
15:58:29 <domel> zakim, who is talking?
15:58:40 <Zakim> domel, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Deiu (62%)
15:58:51 <domel> zakim, who is talking?
15:59:02 <Zakim> domel, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bblfish (94%), ??P13 (5%)
15:59:21 <domel> zakim, I am ??P13
15:59:21 <Zakim> +domel; got it
15:59:34 <domel> zakim, who is talking?
15:59:46 <Zakim> domel, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
16:03:11 <Deiu>  https://github.com/WebID-Tools/CertGen
16:04:41 <Deiu> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Foaf%2Bssl#Implementation_Links
16:04:57 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Implementations
16:07:49 <bblfish> mischat?
16:08:45 <domel> bblfish: When we plan to rebuild the specification? I mean ontology etc? http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/images/3/3e/20110306_3d_webid.jpg
16:09:34 <domel> I can do it :)
16:10:27 <domel> OK
16:10:57 <domel> I can do also some small part like http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#in-rdf-xml
16:11:44 <Zakim> -Deiu
16:12:33 <bblfish> bye everybody
16:12:41 <mike> ttfn
16:12:43 <Zakim> -MacTed
16:12:53 <Zakim> -domel
16:12:54 <Zakim> -??P10
16:12:59 <Zakim> -bergi
16:13:16 <bblfish> RRSAgent, make minutes public
16:13:16 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', bblfish.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:13:26 <bblfish> trackbot, end meeting
16:13:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:13:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Deiu, bblfish, bergi, domel, MacTed
16:13:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:13:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/27-webid-minutes.html trackbot
16:13:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:13:28 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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16:14:01 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:14:52 <MacTed> RRSAgent, bye
16:14:52 <RRSAgent> I see no action items