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15:37:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 23 minutes
15:37:38 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:37:38 <trackbot> Date: 21 June 2011
15:37:52 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jun/0113.html
15:37:59 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
15:38:12 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Soeren
15:38:26 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Juan
15:38:30 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
15:38:41 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Percy
15:39:03 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Seema
15:39:11 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:39:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:39:25 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, please make the records public
15:39:25 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make the records public', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:39:40 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, please make the logs public
15:39:40 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make the logs public', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:39:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make the logs public
15:39:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make the logs public', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:40:04 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:43:11 <betehess> ok
15:43:15 <mhausenblas> thanks!
15:43:20 <mhausenblas> scribenick: betehess 
15:47:56 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:47:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:54:05 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Nuno
15:54:09 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:54:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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15:58:35 <betehess> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:58:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html betehess
15:59:01 <betehess> s/thanks!//
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16:00:16 <mhausenblas> present+ David
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16:01:26 <boris> zakim, code?
16:01:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), boris
16:02:19 <Zakim> + +49.133.6.aaaa
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16:02:26 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
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16:03:21 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:03:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see dmcneil, mhausenblas, boris, Alexandre, Souri, Ashok_Malhotra
16:03:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, cygri_, boris, Ashok, dmcneil, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru_, betehess, ericP, trackbot
16:03:33 <mhausenblas> present+ Souri
16:03:39 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
16:03:39 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
16:03:41 <Zakim> +EricP
16:03:45 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:03:46 <cygri_> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas
16:03:46 <Zakim> +cygri_; got it
16:03:56 <mhausenblas> present+ Richard
16:04:07 <ericP> present+ ericP
16:04:11 <ericP> present+ eric
16:04:15 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
16:05:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
16:05:16 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:05:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see dmcneil, mhausenblas, boris, Alexandre, Souri, Ashok_Malhotra, EricP
16:05:19 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri_
16:05:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, cygri_, boris, Ashok, dmcneil, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, iv_an_ru_, betehess, ericP, trackbot
16:05:35 <betehess> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:06:47 <ericP> second
16:06:54 <betehess> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html with a change from rdfs:range to rdfs:domain
16:06:57 <ericP> second
16:06:59 <cygri> +1
16:07:13 <betehess> +1
16:07:43 <betehess> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html with a change from rdfs:range to rdfs:domain
16:08:04 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUE-29
16:08:27 <betehess> mhausenblas: my intention is to have no pending issue
16:08:47 <cygri> ISSUE-29?
16:08:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- pending review
16:08:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
16:08:47 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-29?
16:08:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- pending review
16:08:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
16:08:50 <betehess> ... people from rdb2rdf and rdf wgs: please advise
16:09:20 <Souri> seems unrelated
16:09:30 <betehess> @@: not sure why it's related to the rdf wg
16:09:48 <Souri> q+
16:09:49 <betehess> mhausenblas: it's because it's related to blank nodes
16:10:17 <betehess> @@: it's about literals and strings
16:10:27 <dmcneil> +q
16:10:28 <betehess> ... so I don't see the relation with bnodes
16:10:44 <betehess> s/@@/cygri/
16:10:51 <Souri> +1 to Richard (Issue-29 has no relation at all to RDF 1.1 string literal)
16:11:17 <mhausenblas> q?
16:11:20 <mhausenblas> ack Souri
16:11:29 <betehess> Souri: looked at it a bit
16:11:34 <betehess> ... agree with richard
16:12:13 <betehess> mhausenblas: my bad, I mixed it up with issue 29
16:12:14 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-9
16:12:25 <cygri> ISSUE-9?
16:12:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Generate Blank Nodes for duplicate tuples -- postponed
16:12:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/9
16:12:26 <betehess> ... wanted to speak about ISSUE-9
16:12:46 <ericP> cygri, (aside: does 29 lean on SPARQL BNode constructors? http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-sparql11-query-20110512/#func-bnode)
16:12:50 <dmcneil> -q
16:12:54 <mhausenblas> q?
16:13:24 <betehess> q+
16:13:30 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
16:13:50 <ericP> betehess: iirc, we had two solutions for the DM
16:14:07 <ericP> ... it was ok in the algorithm to define bnodes
16:14:46 <ericP> ... it wasn't clear how to do it in the datalog rules
16:15:08 <mhausenblas> q?
16:15:10 <ericP> ... J&M found an article about how to add multiset semantics to datalog
16:15:18 <ericP> ... this is really about SQL and not about RDF
16:15:34 <ericP> ... (can't resolve this without J||M here)
16:15:49 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Change status of ISSUE-9 to OPEN and Michael asks Juan/Marcelo re next steps
16:15:56 <betehess> +1
16:16:03 <ericP> +1
16:16:06 <boris> +1
16:16:11 <betehess> RESOLUTION: Change status of ISSUE-9 to OPEN and Michael asks Juan/Marcelo re next steps
16:16:30 <mhausenblas> Topic: Review of open actions/issues
16:17:09 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to mail Juan/Marcelo  re ISSUE-9
16:17:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Mail Juan/Marcelo  re ISSUE-9 [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2011-06-28].
16:17:38 <mhausenblas> ACTION-126?
16:17:38 <trackbot> ACTION-126 -- Souripriya Das to implement ISSUE-18 resolution and make sure that all class and property names are meaningful -- due 2011-05-24 -- OPEN
16:17:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/126
16:17:58 <betehess> Souri: would like to close action-126 if everybody agree
16:18:59 <betehess> [ souri explaining how he implemented issue-18 ]
16:19:23 <betehess> ... is this solution ok?
16:19:33 <mhausenblas> Michael:  looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
16:20:06 <Souri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#LogicalTable_Class
16:20:25 <betehess> mhausenblas: is that possible to see the changes in CVS?
16:20:32 <betehess> ... that's my wish
16:22:02 <betehess> ... fine with Souri's work, wondering if we should do micro-reviewing
16:22:28 <betehess> cygri: if this is controversial, editors should advertise their changes
16:22:45 <betehess> ... in case anybody complains
16:23:40 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: If an Editor thinks that a change is controversial, the Editor notifies WG, silence is interpreted as consensus
16:23:52 <ericP> +1
16:23:54 <betehess> sounds good
16:23:55 <dmcneil> +q
16:24:01 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
16:24:11 <mhausenblas> q?
16:24:21 <betehess> dmcneil: I think that changes on properties are a step backward
16:24:26 <ericP> i agree with David, but i am ok with the general proposal
16:24:28 <betehess> .... prefers how they were before
16:24:33 <Souri> email that I had sent regarding this change (Action-126): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jun/0092.html
16:24:55 <ericP> that is, i'm happy for souri to make the change, notify us, and we push back
16:25:38 <betehess> RESOLUTION: If an Editor thinks that a change is controversial, the Editor notifies WG, silence is interpreted as consensus
16:25:57 <ericP> that said, there are a couple folks who prefer terser predicate names
16:26:09 <mhausenblas> q?
16:26:10 <betehess> mhausenblas: dmcneil, you have a post to your proposal?
16:26:31 <betehess> dmcneil: we should postpone this conversation
16:26:56 <dmcneil> that was Richard, not me
16:26:59 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-126
16:26:59 <trackbot> ACTION-126 Implement ISSUE-18 resolution and make sure that all class and property names are meaningful closed
16:27:14 <Souri> q+
16:27:22 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
16:27:26 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-18?
16:27:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Allow SQL queries to be reused in a mapping -- open
16:27:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/18
16:27:28 <betehess> s/dmcneil, you have/cygri, you have/
16:27:52 <betehess> s/dmcneil: we should/cygri, we should/
16:28:20 <betehess> Souri: I propose we close the first issue and open a new one
16:28:33 <betehess> mhausenblas: but I agree with Souri 
16:28:37 <betehess> dmcneil: +1
16:28:53 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: close ISSUE-18
16:29:03 <Souri> +1
16:29:11 <betehess> +1
16:29:11 <cygri> +1, the issue is addressed in ACTION-126
16:29:15 <boris> +1
16:29:28 <betehess> RESOLVED:  close ISSUE-18
16:30:30 <mhausenblas> ACTION-123?
16:30:30 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Souripriya Das to implement decision re ISSUE-25 -- due 2011-05-24 -- OPEN
16:30:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/123
16:30:41 <betehess> Souri: it's about the little text in the resolution
16:30:56 <betehess> ... where to put it?
16:31:02 <betehess> ... in the introduction?
16:31:08 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:31:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:31:24 <betehess> ... or create a new section
16:31:54 <mhausenblas> q?
16:32:14 <betehess> cygri: would like to think about it and propose on the ML
16:32:57 <mhausenblas> ACTION-124?
16:32:57 <trackbot> ACTION-124 -- Seema Sundara to implement decision re ISSUE-29 (bNodes identifier and URI expressions be of string types) -- due 2011-05-24 -- OPEN
16:32:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/124
16:33:00 <dmcneil> I created ISSUE-46 to capture the naming issue
16:33:09 <mhausenblas> thanks, dmcneil 
16:34:53 <ericP> cygri pointed me at related d2r functions
16:35:31 <betehess> mhausenblas: anything that should produce uri, it must produce valid uris
16:35:47 <betehess> ericP: we can provide people some functions
16:36:36 <betehess> s/mhausenblas: anything that should/cygri: anything that should/
16:37:56 <betehess> ericP: usually, we don't assert functions will produce valid uris
16:38:08 <Souri> I am okay with raising an issue for it
16:38:20 <betehess> cygri: I suggest we don't discuss it now, let's open an issue
16:39:38 <betehess> cygri: what do we do when we have to cast values to uris?
16:39:57 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-132?
16:39:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-132 does not exist
16:40:05 <betehess> mhausenblas: so we can't close action-124
16:40:05 <mhausenblas> ACTION-132?
16:40:05 <trackbot> ACTION-132 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to update UML diagrams to reflects changes from ISSUE-32 and ISSUE-18 -- due 2011-06-21 -- OPEN
16:40:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/132
16:40:34 <mhausenblas> ACTION-133?
16:40:34 <trackbot> ACTION-133 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to write proposal for issue-22 -- due 2011-06-07 -- OPEN
16:40:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/133
16:41:02 <betehess> ericP: written some text, some review by cygri, so some progress
16:41:08 <betehess> ... not ready to be closed
16:41:19 <mhausenblas> ACTION-117?
16:41:19 <trackbot> ACTION-117 -- Michael Hausenblas to figure out runtime and if charter extension is necessary -- due 2011-05-31 -- OPEN
16:41:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/117
16:41:56 <betehess> mhausenblas: who of you guys can help me?
16:42:20 <betehess> ericP: does it mean writing text to the AC?
16:42:36 <betehess> ... ok, if you drive it
16:42:45 <betehess> Ashok: I can help
16:43:21 <betehess> ... but how long to you want the extension?
16:43:52 <betehess> mhausenblas: if LC is September, maybe another year after September?
16:44:21 <betehess> ericP&ashok: makes sense
16:46:04 <mhausenblas> ACTION-69
16:46:07 <mhausenblas> ACTION-69?
16:46:07 <trackbot> ACTION-69 -- Daniel Miranker to work on UC&R on OLAP application -- due 2011-05-31 -- OPEN
16:46:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/69
16:46:23 <betehess> cygri: we should re-assign to somebody in the wg
16:47:04 <betehess> mhausenblas: it's a use case that it would be nice to have
16:47:29 <betehess> cygri: for me, this document is to drive the design of the specs
16:47:45 <betehess> ... so we may do without that?
16:47:58 <cygri> PROPOSAL: close ISSUE-69, the UC&R ship has sailed
16:48:09 <cygri> PROPOSAL: close ACTION-69, the UC&R ship has sailed
16:48:11 <mhausenblas> +1
16:48:14 <ericP> +1
16:48:15 <Souri> +1 to dropping it
16:48:16 <betehess> +1
16:48:19 <boris> +1
16:48:26 <betehess> RESOLUTION: close ACTION-69, the UC&R ship has sailed
16:48:30 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-69
16:48:30 <trackbot> ACTION-69 Work on UC&R on OLAP application closed
16:48:53 <betehess> ACTION-&*?
16:49:00 <betehess> ACTION-78?
16:49:00 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
16:49:11 <betehess> ACTION-68?
16:49:11 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
16:50:06 <ericP> action-102?
16:50:06 <trackbot> ACTION-102 -- Ted Thibodeau to sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki -- due 2011-05-24 -- OPEN
16:50:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/102
16:50:30 <betehess> ACTION-102
16:50:41 <betehess> mhausenblas: do we still need it?
16:51:00 <betehess> ericP: it could affect dm and r2rml
16:51:15 <betehess> ... with solution not involving bnodes
16:51:30 <betehess> ... at this point, it will be difficult to come up with arguments
16:51:45 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: close ACTION-102
16:51:47 <betehess> +1
16:51:47 <ericP> +1
16:51:51 <boris> +1
16:51:56 <betehess> RESOLUTION: close ACTION-102
16:51:57 <cygri> +1, four months was enough time
16:51:57 <Souri> +1
16:52:03 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-102
16:52:03 <trackbot> ACTION-102 Sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki closed
16:52:31 <mhausenblas> ACTION-115?
16:52:31 <trackbot> ACTION-115 -- Sören Auer to create an issue addressing vendor-specific names like "owner" -- due 2011-05-24 -- OPEN
16:52:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/115
16:52:39 <Souri> q+
16:52:58 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-115
16:52:58 <trackbot> ACTION-115 Create an issue addressing vendor-specific names like "owner" closed
16:53:02 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
16:54:39 <betehess> mhausenblas: would like to keep it open, to see the official terminology from sql
16:54:56 <mhausenblas> ACTION-134?
16:54:56 <trackbot> ACTION-134 -- Juan Sequeda to ask Marcelo Arenas whether he is happy to be co-editor of the NULL Note -- due 2011-06-21 -- OPEN
16:54:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/134
16:55:08 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-134
16:55:08 <trackbot> ACTION-134 Ask Marcelo Arenas whether he is happy to be co-editor of the NULL Note closed
16:55:12 <betehess> mhausenblas: Marcelo accepted
16:56:07 <betehess> ACTION-128?
16:56:07 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
16:56:20 <mhausenblas> ACTION-27?
16:56:20 <trackbot> ACTION-27 -- Michael Hausenblas to invite Olaf some time in the future (will be decided by group) -- due 2011-02-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:56:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/27
16:56:31 <cygri> PROPOSAL: drop ACTION-27 as outdated
16:56:39 <mhausenblas> +1
16:56:44 <Souri> +1
16:56:49 <boris> +1
16:56:59 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-27
16:56:59 <trackbot> ACTION-27 Invite Olaf some time in the future (will be decided by group) closed
16:57:00 <betehess> RESOLUTION: drop ACTION-27 as outdated
16:57:00 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/pendingreview
16:57:40 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-96
16:57:40 <trackbot> ACTION-96 Capture this (multiple subject maps) and other (future) potential error cases in the Wiki (ISSUE-16) closed
16:57:43 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-97
16:57:43 <trackbot> ACTION-97 Look into D2RQ implementation and update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Entity_disambiguation closed
16:57:50 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-130
16:57:50 <trackbot> ACTION-130 Implement ISSUE-32 as resolved today (based on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011May/0030.html) closed
16:58:12 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-100
16:58:12 <trackbot> ACTION-100 Ask Marie-Claire Forgue if there is a chance to present or discuss RDB2RDF at the W3C track at WWW2011 closed
17:00:29 <Zakim> -Souri
17:00:31 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
17:00:34 <Zakim> -EricP
17:00:36 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:00:36 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:00:37 <Zakim> -dmcneil
17:00:38 <Zakim> -boris
17:00:39 <Zakim> -Alexandre
17:00:39 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
17:00:41 <Zakim> Attendees were dmcneil, mhausenblas, +49.133.6.aaaa, Alexandre, Souri, boris, Ashok_Malhotra, EricP, cygri_
17:00:42 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:00:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:04:07 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
17:04:07 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:04:07 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
17:04:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:04:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
17:04:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:04:09 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
17:04:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to mail Juan/Marcelo  re ISSUE-9 [1]
17:04:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/21-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-17-09