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14:04:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
14:04:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
14:04:58 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
14:04:58 <trackbot> Date: 01 June 2011
14:05:21 <ChrisL> zakim, code?
14:05:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 3668 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), ChrisL
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14:06:38 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
14:06:38 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()10:00AM has not yet started, ChrisL
14:06:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see erik, cslye, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, sergeym, tal, Vlad, jfkthame, trackbot
14:06:48 <ChrisL> zakim, oh yes it has
14:06:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'oh yes it has', ChrisL
14:08:40 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
14:09:00 <ChrisL> Vlad: want to finalise last call and agree to move to candidate rec
14:09:05 <ChrisL> chair: Vlad
14:09:21 <ChrisL> regrets: Sylvain, Tab
14:10:12 <ChrisL> Topic: Last Call disposition of comments
14:10:22 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
14:12:02 <ChrisL> ChrisL: I18n was waiting for our specific text before agreeing. I sent some emails pointing to edits that had been done
14:12:34 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-15
14:13:47 <ChrisL> ChrisL: we agreed to more clearly indicate the content models. need to agre on text
14:14:03 <ChrisL> jfkthame: some new text after description of div and span element
14:14:41 <ChrisL> ... seems to address this coment. Could add expected children
14:15:30 <ChrisL> ChrisL: could add to all the elements their expected children
14:15:31 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-32
14:16:00 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-16
14:16:21 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/9
14:16:29 <ChrisL> "The automatic removal of OpenType features such as GPOS and GSUB information at any stage in the process of deploying a WOFF file is strongly discouraged. Many writing systems around the world rely on these features for very basic display of text in the script that they use."
14:17:11 <ChrisL> ChrisL: general guidance not conformance
14:17:21 <ChrisL> Vlad: they suggest end of section 5 for that note
14:17:29 <ChrisL> jfkthame: could add as informative note
14:18:42 <ChrisL> jfkthame: out of scope as a conformance requirement, but fine as an informative note
14:19:19 <ChrisL> Vlad: god to add it as a note for implementors to pay attention to
14:19:40 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-34
14:19:47 <ChrisL> has the edit been done for that?
14:19:55 <ChrisL> jfkthame: not sure (checks)
14:20:20 <ChrisL> ... yes it is there, section 4
14:21:03 <ChrisL> Vlad: "searchRange, entrySelector, and rangeShift" are the ones cited
14:21:29 <ChrisL> Vlad: need to add normative reference
14:21:32 <ChrisL> jfkthame: yes
14:22:50 <ChrisL> Vlad: sergey wanted these as conformance requirements
14:23:05 <ChrisL> "And second, conformance requirements have to mention that these fields should be correct in original font to ensure complete roundtrip."
14:23:15 <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0005.html
14:24:19 <ChrisL> We were asked to remove the sumary of conformance requirements or to clearly indicate they are informative
14:24:34 <ChrisL> jfkthame: what do we want to do? it was specifically requested.
14:25:01 <ChrisL> ... could clearly see its an informative summary
14:25:26 <ChrisL> Vlad: danger is that we miss keeping them in sync. prefer to drop it
14:26:03 <ChrisL> ChrisL: agree
14:26:20 <ChrisL> jfkthame: early in WG discussions we agreed to have a concie summary
14:27:31 <ChrisL> Vlad: worried that we miss something or that people only read the summary
14:28:05 <ChrisL> ChrisL: what about the three notes? Should they be relocated?
14:29:25 <ChrisL> ACTION jfkthame to remove Summary of Conformance Requirements, relocating any notes that seem valuable to keep
14:29:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Remove Summary of Conformance Requirements, relocating any notes that seem valuable to keep [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-08].
14:30:02 <ChrisL> Vlad:second note is not so valuable. First and third are
14:30:27 <ChrisL> ... add third to end of section 6
14:31:16 <ChrisL> ... last one belongs in metadata section
14:32:17 <ChrisL> ChrisL: will send folow up emails informing commentors of todays decisions
14:32:47 <ChrisL> Vlad: ok so DoC is done, pending responses from I18n
14:32:55 <ChrisL> Topic: Open Action Items
14:33:27 <ChrisL> ACTION-62: Modify spec text re. div and span in text elements
14:33:27 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Modify spec text re. div and span in text elements notes added
14:34:11 <ChrisL> Vlad: seems logical to add to description of text element. but putting it before extension element i seems out of place
14:34:35 <ChrisL> ChrisL: seemed clear enouh to me
14:35:19 <ChrisL> jfkthame: how avout putting it at end after extension element
14:35:37 <ChrisL> Vlad: seems to interrupt the flow of the description
14:35:50 <ChrisL> jfkthame: arguments against several options
14:36:23 <ChrisL> Vlad:  proposed in email was to append to 'may be localised' and put div and span right before that.
14:37:38 <ChrisL> cslye: sounds good
14:37:52 <ChrisL> Vlad: jfkthame its up to you
14:38:07 <ChrisL> jfkthame: cslye which ioption sounded good?
14:38:31 <cslye> after extension element.
14:38:33 <ChrisL> Vlad: it would be fine after the extension element
14:39:17 <ChrisL> jfkthame: close and add new action
14:39:23 <ChrisL> close action-62
14:39:24 <trackbot> ACTION-62 Modify spec text re. div and span in text elements closed
14:39:38 <ChrisL> action: jfkthame to relocate text describing div and span
14:39:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Relocate text describing div and span [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-08].
14:39:44 <ChrisL> action-74?
14:39:44 <trackbot> ACTION-74 -- Chris Lilley to update disposition of comments -- due 2011-02-16 -- OPEN
14:39:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/74
14:40:03 <ChrisL> ChrisL: keep open untilwe are done
14:40:06 <ChrisL> action-76?
14:40:06 <trackbot> ACTION-76 -- Maciej Stachowiak to ask apple about proposed FO solution -- due 2011-02-23 -- OPEN
14:40:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/76
14:40:14 <ChrisL> close action-76
14:40:14 <trackbot> ACTION-76 Ask apple about proposed FO solution closed
14:40:28 <ChrisL> Vlad: apple will give resources to develop From-Origin
14:41:56 <ChrisL> action-81?
14:41:56 <trackbot> ACTION-81 -- Jonathan Kew to provide link for issue-34 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
14:41:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/81
14:42:28 <ChrisL> this is the link to the OT spec
14:42:50 <ChrisL> for earchRange, entrySelector, and rangeShift
14:43:03 <ChrisL> jfkthame: relaod, i just commited an edit with that
14:44:09 <ChrisL> close action-81
14:44:09 <trackbot> ACTION-81 Provide link for issue-34 closed
14:44:27 <ChrisL> ChrisL: can we change 'are expected to' to 'SHOULD'
14:45:12 <ChrisL> action: jfkthame to move BCP47 to normative and change are expected to to SHOULD
14:45:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Move BCP47 to normative and change are expected to to SHOULD [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-08].
14:45:29 <ChrisL> action-83?
14:45:29 <trackbot> ACTION-83 -- Chris Lilley to to add div and span to RNG -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN
14:45:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/83
14:45:54 <ChrisL> ChrisL: in progress
14:46:09 <ChrisL> Topic: Progressing to Candidate Rec
14:46:34 <ChrisL> Vlad: once these edits are done and DoC up to date as agreed, can we agree to move to CR?
14:46:41 <ChrisL> (no objections)
14:50:46 <ChrisL> action: jfkthame to add expected children of all metadata elements
14:50:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Add expected children of all metadata elements [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-08].
14:52:13 <ChrisL> Resolved: move to Candidate Recommendation once these edits are done
14:52:46 <ChrisL> Topic: f2f at typecon
14:53:00 <ChrisL> Vlad: not enouh participants for a meeting aty typecon
14:53:35 <cslye> Vlad, at your convenience can you summarize who in the WG will be at TypeCon?
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14:53:57 <ChrisL> ... next steps are checking the test suite and creating an implementation report
14:54:02 <ChrisL> then we get to PR
14:54:21 <ChrisL> ... depends on CSS WG die to SOR dependency
14:54:34 <John> [Sorry I'm late]
14:54:54 <ChrisL> s/die/due/
14:55:23 <ChrisL> Present: Vlad, Jonathan, Christopher, John, Chris
14:55:38 <ChrisL> Vlad (explains CR)
14:56:05 <ChrisL> Vlad: EPUB wants to reference WOFF so they need it to be in CR
14:56:52 <ChrisL> John: f2f?
14:57:04 <ChrisL> Vlad: few confirmed attendees and several regrets
14:57:16 <ChrisL> ... so no meeting at typecon
14:57:45 <ChrisL> adjourned
14:57:54 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/01-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
14:58:49 <ChrisL> Vlad: travel next week. Do we need a telcon?
14:59:04 <ChrisL> June 8 telcon cancelled
14:59:39 <ChrisL> John: FAQ updated?
14:59:50 <ChrisL> ChrisL: reall soon now (been ill)
15:00:09 <ChrisL> Regrets: Stlvan, jdaggett, Tab
15:00:15 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
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