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14:54:41 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare call
14:54:41 <trackbot> Sorry, aphillip, I don't understand 'trackbot, prepare call'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:54:59 <aphillip> trackbot, configure call
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14:55:16 <aphillip> rackbot, start meeting
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14:55:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:55:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:55:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:35 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:55:35 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2011
14:55:50 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:55:50 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:55:50 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:56:12 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011May/0010.html
14:56:18 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:56:36 <aphillip> rsagent, set logs world-visible
14:56:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:01:21 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
15:01:28 <aphillip> zakim, I am Addison_Phillips
15:01:28 <Zakim> ok, aphillip, I now associate you with Addison_Phillips
15:02:17 <Zakim> +David
15:03:27 <Zakim> +??P26
15:03:39 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p26 is me
15:03:39 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
15:06:28 <r12a> yep
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15:07:00 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:07:00 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:07:01 <Zakim> +Richard
15:07:03 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
15:07:41 <Zakim> +??P2
15:08:04 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:08:50 <aphillip> 	Talk with Bert about how to deal with change marks in Ruby spec
15:09:16 <aphillip> couple of weeks or so
15:09:30 <aphillip> 	Propose move of Ruby CSS spec to WD on agenda for CSS WG
15:09:32 <aphillip> ditto
15:09:42 <aphillip> 	Rewrite response with new proposal to do normalization in comparison
15:09:53 <aphillip> done
15:10:04 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:10:43 <aphillip> Topic: CSS3 Selectors and Normalization
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15:11:07 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011AprJun/0077.html
15:11:14 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011AprJun/0079.html
15:11:48 <Zakim> +??P32
15:13:41 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-namespace/
15:14:12 <aphillip> Therefore, we would like to recommend that:  CSS define normatively that "two selectors compare as equal if they are canonically equivalent Unicode strings", that is, that the comparison must be done as if one of the canonical Unicode Normalization Forms (either NFC or NFD) had been applied to both prior to the comparison. This does not require that identifiers be interned, normalized, or use any particular normalization form, only that the comparison occur b
15:15:12 <matial> LGTM
15:15:16 <aphillip> chair: any objections to forwarding this and incorporating namespaces?
15:16:45 <aphillip> addison: need to deal with URI vs IRI issues in namespaces
15:16:58 <aphillip> ... namespace might contain IDNA or non-ascii paths
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15:17:43 <David> zakim, mute me
15:17:43 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:17:56 <aphillip> felix: don't think they handle IRI at all (they == xml namespace)
15:18:21 <r12a> zakim, who's making noise?
15:18:25 <aphillip> ... any objections?
15:18:31 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
15:18:31 <fsasaki> no
15:18:40 <kojiishi> no
15:18:41 <r12a> no objection
15:18:44 <David> no
15:19:06 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: forward revised normalization letter to CSS including information about namespaces
15:19:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Forward revised normalization letter to CSS including information about namespaces [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-06-01].
15:19:08 <David> zakim, unmute me
15:19:08 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
15:19:49 <fsasaki> s/handle IRI at all/handle IDNA or non-ascii paths at all/
15:19:51 <aphillip> addison: need to do something about charmod, not out of date
15:20:09 <aphillip> s/not out/now out/
15:20:51 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/charmod-norm/
15:21:48 <aphillip> addison: could touch charmod-norm... or put out a note that updates 
15:24:02 <aphillip> addison: maybe a note "position paper"?
15:24:33 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: create wiki page with normalization position paper
15:24:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Create wiki page with normalization position paper [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-06-01].
15:24:52 <aphillip> anyone can contribute to the wiki page... :-)
15:25:18 <aphillip> Topic: Contacts API, other last calls
15:25:50 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011May/0008.html
15:26:52 <aphillip> chair: anyone interested in taking lead to review contacts?
15:27:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:28:57 <David> zakim, who is noisy?
15:29:07 <Zakim> David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Addison_Phillips (14%), David (49%), kojiishi (84%)
15:29:16 <David> zakim, mute me
15:29:16 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:30:11 <aphillip> koji: cjk needs phonetic fields
15:30:26 <aphillip> koji: can't work on until after about 6 june
15:32:23 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
15:32:51 <aphillip> ACTION: kojiishi: review Contacts API and collect last call comments for the WG. WG members to perform review.
15:32:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kojiishi
15:33:10 <aphillip> ACTION: koji: review Contacts API and collect last call comments for the WG. WG members to perform review.
15:33:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Review Contacts API and collect last call comments for the WG. WG members to perform review. [on Koji Ishii - due 2011-06-01].
15:33:58 <aphillip> richard: 10 weeks to make all last call comments starting, oh, today
15:34:30 <aphillip> richard: felix, did you raise bug about translate tag?
15:34:45 <aphillip> s/translate tag/translate flag/
15:35:06 <aphillip> felix: issue raised from ITS IG. will post link
15:35:29 <aphillip> richard: WAF folks need to hear from us soon.
15:35:57 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/1
15:36:17 <fsasaki> Issue raised by Jirka Kosek about "translate" flag: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12417
15:36:26 <aphillip> s/WAF/WOFF/
15:37:20 <aphillip> agenda-plus for next week: WOFF review
15:38:33 <aphillip> Topic: CSS3 Referring to Unicode, Unicode-range
15:38:39 <aphillip> addison: stale topic?
15:39:00 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:39:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:39:57 <Zakim> -kojiishi
15:39:58 <Zakim> -David
15:39:59 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
15:40:01 <Zakim> -Richard
15:40:03 <Zakim> -Felix
15:40:27 <Zakim> -matial
15:40:28 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
15:40:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Addison_Phillips, David, kojiishi, Richard, Felix, matial
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15:42:32 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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15:42:37 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:42:41 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:42:41 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:42:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: forward revised normalization letter to CSS including information about namespaces [1]
15:42:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-irc#T15-19-06
15:42:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: create wiki page with normalization position paper [2]
15:42:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-irc#T15-24-33
15:42:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kojiishi: review Contacts API and collect last call comments for the WG. WG members to perform review. [3]
15:42:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-irc#T15-32-51
15:42:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: koji: review Contacts API and collect last call comments for the WG. WG members to perform review. [4]
15:42:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/25-i18n-irc#T15-33-10