IRC log of webid on 2011-05-09

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-irc
14:47:32 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be WEBID
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ok, trackbot; I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
14:47:35 [trackbot]
Date: 09 May 2011
14:47:45 [bblfish]
zakim, agenda?
14:47:45 [Zakim]
I see nothing on the agenda
14:50:42 [Deiu]
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agenda +"Accept minutes of previous meeting"
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agenda +"Action Item review: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/pendingreview
14:52:11 [Zakim]
INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has now started
14:52:18 [Zakim]
+??P0
14:52:26 [Deiu]
Zakim, I am ??P0
14:52:26 [Zakim]
+Deiu; got it
14:52:42 [bblfish]
agenda +"Introducing people, new issues for agenda"
14:55:46 [Zakim]
+??P1
14:55:56 [laczoka]
zakim, +??P1 is me
14:55:56 [Zakim]
sorry, laczoka, I do not recognize a party named '+??P1'
14:56:15 [laczoka]
zakim, P1 is me
14:56:15 [Zakim]
sorry, laczoka, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
14:56:40 [Deiu]
laczoka, use ??P1
14:56:51 [laczoka]
zakim, ??P1 is me
14:56:51 [Zakim]
+laczoka; got it
14:56:54 [laczoka]
thx
14:57:13 [Deiu]
Zakim, mute me
14:57:13 [Zakim]
Deiu should now be muted
14:57:26 [laczoka]
zakim, mute me
14:57:26 [Zakim]
laczoka should now be muted
14:59:07 [gaedke]
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15:00:14 [Zakim]
+??P7
15:00:31 [bblfish]
Zakim, ??P7 is me
15:00:31 [Zakim]
+bblfish; got it
15:00:38 [laczoka]
hi
15:00:44 [bblfish]
zakim who is on the phone?
15:00:56 [Zakim]
+Vicki
15:01:17 [Deiu]
I need 5 minutes off, start without me please
15:01:20 [bblfish]
who is on the phone?
15:01:33 [Deiu]
ScribeNick: Deiu
15:01:45 [gaedke]
Still trying
15:01:46 [Deiu]
Zakim, scribe: Deiu
15:01:46 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'scribe: Deiu', Deiu
15:01:52 [osacco]
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15:01:58 [Deiu]
Zakim, ScribeNick: Deiu
15:01:58 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'ScribeNick: Deiu', Deiu
15:02:26 [laczoka]
zakim, unmute me
15:02:26 [Zakim]
laczoka should no longer be muted
15:02:42 [Deiu]
brb (5 mins)
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+??P21
15:03:13 [jeffsayre]
I'm running late. Will connect in 15 minutes....
15:03:19 [bergi]
Zakim ??P21 is me
15:03:42 [Zakim]
+??P18
15:03:42 [bblfish]
zakim, who is here?
15:03:44 [domel]
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15:03:50 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bblfish, Vicki, ??P21, ??P18, Deiu (muted), laczoka
15:04:13 [bergi]
Zakim, ??P21 is me
15:04:16 [Zakim]
+bergi; got it
15:04:17 [bblfish]
shall we start?
15:04:23 [osacco]
Zakim, ??P18 is me
15:04:23 [Zakim]
+osacco; got it
15:04:27 [bblfish]
zakim who is making noise?
15:04:27 [Zakim]
+ +1.781.866.aaaa
15:04:36 [bheitman]
Zakim, I am with osacco
15:04:36 [Zakim]
+bheitman; got it
15:04:47 [bblfish]
who wants to scribe?
15:04:51 [Zakim]
+??P29
15:05:19 [domel]
zakim, I am ??P29
15:05:19 [Zakim]
+domel; got it
15:05:43 [bblfish]
zakim, scor is scribe
15:05:43 [Zakim]
sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'scor'
15:06:43 [bblfish]
zakim, scribe scor
15:06:43 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'scribe scor', bblfish
15:06:58 [bblfish]
scribe scor
15:07:23 [bblfish]
zakim, scor is scribe
15:07:23 [Zakim]
sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'scor'
15:07:32 [bblfish]
Zakim, Stephane is scribe
15:07:32 [Zakim]
sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'Stephane'
15:07:39 [bblfish]
Zakim, Corlosquet is scribe
15:07:39 [Zakim]
sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'Corlosquet'
15:07:41 [scor]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:41 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bblfish, Vicki, bergi, osacco, +1.781.866.aaaa, domel, Deiu (muted), laczoka
15:07:43 [Zakim]
osacco has bheitman
15:08:01 [scor]
Zakim, +1.781 is me
15:08:01 [Zakim]
+scor; got it
15:08:02 [bblfish]
next agendum
15:08:11 [scor]
Zakim, scribe is scor
15:08:11 [Zakim]
sorry, scor, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'
15:08:18 [bblfish]
http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-minutes.html
15:08:20 [scor]
Zakim, scor is scribe
15:08:20 [Zakim]
+scribe; got it
15:08:21 [domel]
+1
15:08:39 [laczoka]
+1
15:08:55 [bblfish]
+!
15:08:58 [bblfish]
+1
15:09:07 [bergi]
+1
15:09:09 [bblfish]
ACTION: accept paper
15:09:09 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - accept
15:09:22 [bblfish]
RESOLVED: Minutes accepted
15:09:40 [scor]
Zakim, who is making noise?
15:09:51 [Zakim]
scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: laczoka (43%), Vicki (30%), bblfish (67%), scribe (4%)
15:10:07 [laczoka]
zakim, mute me
15:10:07 [Zakim]
laczoka should now be muted
15:10:18 [bblfish]
member:Zakim, who is making noise?
15:10:30 [bblfish]
Zakim, who is making the noise
15:10:30 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is making the noise', bblfish
15:10:33 [scor]
Zakim, who is making noise?
15:10:43 [Zakim]
scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vicki (70%), bblfish (48%)
15:10:55 [gaedke]
* have to reboot
15:11:03 [bblfish]
next agendum
15:11:40 [bblfish]
zakim, close ACTION-26
15:11:40 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close ACTION-26', bblfish
15:13:48 [Zakim]
+OpenLink_Software
15:13:53 [bblfish]
http://bblfish.net:8443/test/WebId
15:14:02 [MacTed]
Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:14:02 [Zakim]
+MacTed; got it
15:14:02 [scor]
bblfish: suggests to have a page generated automatically for the implementations
15:14:04 [MacTed]
Zakim, mute me
15:14:04 [Zakim]
MacTed should now be muted
15:14:20 [bblfish]
curl -E cert.pem -H "Accept: text/rdf+n3" https://bblfish.net:8443/test/WebId
15:14:31 [Deiu]
back
15:14:36 [Deiu]
Zakim, unmute me
15:14:36 [Zakim]
Deiu should no longer be muted
15:14:59 [scor]
similar to the EARL test cases
15:15:12 [scor]
tells whether your cert or WebID is valid or not
15:16:08 [laczoka]
bblfish: what does EARL provided compare to a free-form text?
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15:17:04 [scor]
generate the list of implementations based on a list of WebID endpoints that people could register on the Wiki maybe
15:17:25 [scor]
the script could also give real time status of what version of WebID is used on the Web
15:17:30 [Zakim]
+??P35
15:17:51 [gaedke]
me
15:17:55 [gaedke]
zakim, me
15:17:55 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'me', gaedke
15:18:06 [Deiu]
Zakim, gaedke is ??P35
15:18:06 [Zakim]
sorry, Deiu, I do not recognize a party named 'gaedke'
15:18:07 [gaedke]
zakim, +??P35 is me
15:18:08 [Zakim]
sorry, gaedke, I do not recognize a party named '+??P35'
15:18:15 [Deiu]
Zakim, ??P35 is gaedke
15:18:15 [Zakim]
+gaedke; got it
15:18:15 [laczoka]
zakim, ??P35 is gaedke
15:18:16 [Zakim]
I already had ??P35 as gaedke, laczoka
15:18:35 [gaedke]
Thanks for all the helper ;-)
15:20:31 [scor]
bergi wants to implement a servlet online to ease the testing process
15:20:46 [scor]
bergi uses jUnit at the moment
15:21:48 [scor]
bergi: test suite is not good for a flashy demo, so not so important for Berlin
15:22:45 [melvster]
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15:23:55 [Deiu]
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Foaf+ssl
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+??P37
15:24:12 [melvster]
zakim, ??P37 is me
15:24:12 [Zakim]
+melvster; got it
15:24:25 [scor]
the implementations page would list URIs of website which implement WebID, a list of platforms offering WebID, and a list of libraries for those interested in adding WebID in their platform
15:24:30 [bblfish]
remind people to fill in this http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID_Protocol_Implementations
15:25:47 [bblfish]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/User_Stories_and_Use_Cases
15:27:14 [Zakim]
+jeffsayre
15:27:44 [bblfish]
Zakim, close ACTION-24
15:27:44 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close ACTION-24', bblfish
15:28:13 [bblfish]
agendum next
15:28:46 [bblfish]
next agendum
15:29:07 [bblfish]
new people ?
15:29:22 [laczoka]
sorry
15:29:27 [laczoka]
laczoka = laszlo
15:30:22 [bblfish]
we allready talked about ISSUE-9: Develop WebID Test Suite
15:30:32 [bblfish]
next agendum
15:31:39 [laczoka]
+1
15:31:42 [bblfish]
+1
15:31:56 [bblfish]
on closing action 27
15:32:03 [Deiu]
+1
15:32:09 [bblfish]
agenda + "Berlin papers"
15:32:13 [bblfish]
next agendum
15:32:42 [bblfish]
who has contributed papers?
15:32:44 [Deiu]
I have
15:32:47 [domel]
I have
15:32:47 [jeffsayre]
Zakim, mute me
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jeffsayre should now be muted
15:32:49 [claudio]
I have
15:32:54 [gaedke]
We have
15:32:56 [scor]
bblfish asking who is contributing a paper to the Berlin cond?
15:33:03 [scor]
s/cond/conf
15:33:14 [scor]
bblfish: what did claudio contribute?
15:33:32 [scor]
claudio: position about plug and play scenarios for the social web
15:34:41 [scor]
claudio: plug your laptop to the network and give the chance to ppl to choose to release some of their personal data, while being able to join a social network
15:35:28 [scor]
claudio: your own machine could act a server in the network, and share your personal data with friends
15:35:34 [scor]
claudio: open for discussions
15:36:25 [scor]
claudio: link?
15:37:21 [scor]
bblfish: worked with Deiu on a paper
15:37:39 [Deiu]
http://fcns.eu/people/andrei/publications/webid/Friending_on_the_Social_Web.html
15:37:47 [scor]
not directly related to WebID: about PingBack (FOAF based)
15:38:52 [scor]
Friending is an important feature, strangely this has not happened yet in the FOAF world
15:39:05 [scor]
bblfish: has not written a paper on WebID itself
15:39:17 [jeffsayre]
+1
15:39:27 [scor]
bblfish: should we take the browser paper and adapt it?
15:39:35 [jeffsayre]
Zakim, unmute me
15:39:35 [Zakim]
jeffsayre should no longer be muted
15:39:37 [jeffsayre]
q+
15:41:27 [bblfish]
http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/26/
15:42:14 [scor]
jeffsayre: keep the 2 first sections more or less as it. twist: explain how and where WebID could be used
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15:42:36 [scor]
bblfish: have a demo. one page showing different WebID services (like pinging)
15:42:37 [melvster]
there's data.fm too
15:43:30 [scor]
jeffsayre: social ping as replacement for semantic ping
15:44:04 [bheitman]
yes, thats the plan
15:44:15 [bheitman]
+q
15:44:48 [gaedke]
we need a secure foaf update protocol (SecFUP)... focussing on the protocol term not the social
15:45:23 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's making noise?
15:45:25 [scor]
Zakim, who is making noise?
15:45:29 [bblfish]
it sounds like a hoovering behind you
15:45:33 [Zakim]
MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeffsayre (14%)
15:45:44 [Zakim]
scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bblfish (39%)
15:46:18 [bheitman]
okay, so the paper will be about how to achieve user profile portability using WebIDs, FOAF and RDF.
15:46:19 [scor]
bblfish: re pingback. good to know what the salmon ppl are doing
15:46:40 [jeffsayre]
Zakim, mute me
15:46:40 [Zakim]
jeffsayre should now be muted
15:47:23 [scor]
bblfish: big problem with the paper domel wrote. needs to be restructured w/o the ontology
15:48:15 [scor]
bblfish: WebID group is meeting on Friday morning
15:48:26 [scor]
bblfish: and then an hour everyday
15:48:49 [bheitman]
scor: what is the syntax for addressing the protocol when I am not the scribe ?
15:48:59 [scor]
bblfish: there might be ppl from america who are thinking alone the lines of salmon etc.
15:49:59 [scor]
bblfish: avoid talking about a new ontology. talk about use cases rather
15:50:32 [Deiu]
bheitman, keep writing, everything gets logged anyway :-)
15:50:37 [scor]
bblfish: use cases for ontologies. lots of work being done on foaf-protocols, not sure what ontology is best
15:50:51 [bblfish]
q?
15:51:13 [gaedke]
http://ii.uwb.edu.pl/~dtomaszuk/WebIDACO.pdf
15:51:16 [bheitman]
my paper will be based very closely on a previous version. If anybody wants to look at the PDF of that previous version, it is here: http://the-blank.net/contains/benjamin/files/Privacy-Enabled_User_Profile_Portability.pdf
15:51:36 [bheitman]
-q
15:51:39 [domel]
or https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Xs83bNMc5Hb1Eqq_JIpuzQGVCEXWkrKxYarrLfmP3c/edit?hl=pl&authkey=CISb5K8E#
15:51:40 [jeffsayre]
q-
15:56:19 [scor]
bblfish: anyone here from the access control group?
15:56:38 [bblfish]
this one: http :/ / www . w 3 . org / ns / auth / ac l
15:57:02 [scor]
bblfish: if there is anyone from the ACL group, hopefully we can talk in Berlin
15:57:58 [scor]
bblfish: clerezza/java does not have a very friendly ACL mechanism, if the ACL ontology was available, it would be easier
15:58:21 [osacco]
might be of interest to anyone: we have been working on a privacy preference ontology (PPO) which is based on top of WAC http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2011/papers/ldow2011-paper01-sacco.pdf
15:59:20 [scor]
bblfish: not much time left, but would be good someone wanted to adapt the browser paper to submit for Berlin
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laczoka has left #webid
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-laczoka
16:00:34 [bblfish]
q?
16:00:57 [claudio]
have to go
16:01:03 [claudio]
regards
16:01:33 [Zakim]
-Vicki
16:04:06 [bblfish]
thanks everybody
16:04:18 [bblfish]
trackbot, end meeting
16:04:18 [trackbot]
Zakim, list attendees
16:04:18 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Deiu, laczoka, bblfish, Vicki, bergi, osacco, +1.781.866.aaaa, bheitman, domel, scribe, MacTed, gaedke, melvster, jeffsayre
16:04:19 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:04:19 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-minutes.html trackbot
16:04:20 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
16:04:20 [RRSAgent]
I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-actions.rdf :
16:04:20 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: accept paper [1]
16:04:20 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-irc#T15-09-09
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-irc
16:05:29 [MacTed]
RRSAgent, make logs public
16:05:45 [bblfish]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:05:45 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-minutes.html bblfish
16:06:33 [bblfish]
bye
16:06:35 [MacTed]
RRSAgent, bye
16:06:35 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items
16:06:36 [Zakim]
-scribe