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14:47:34 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
14:47:34 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
14:47:35 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
14:47:35 <trackbot> Date: 09 May 2011
14:47:45 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
14:47:45 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:50:42 <Deiu> Deiu has joined #webid
14:51:08 <bblfish> agenda +"Accept minutes of previous meeting"
14:51:26 <scor> scor has joined #webid
14:52:05 <bblfish> agenda +"Action Item review: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/pendingreview
14:52:11 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has now started
14:52:18 <Zakim> +??P0
14:52:26 <Deiu> Zakim, I am ??P0
14:52:26 <Zakim> +Deiu; got it
14:52:42 <bblfish> agenda +"Introducing people, new issues for agenda"
14:55:46 <Zakim> +??P1
14:55:56 <laczoka> zakim, +??P1 is me
14:55:56 <Zakim> sorry, laczoka, I do not recognize a party named '+??P1'
14:56:15 <laczoka> zakim, P1 is me
14:56:15 <Zakim> sorry, laczoka, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
14:56:40 <Deiu> laczoka, use ??P1
14:56:51 <laczoka> zakim, ??P1 is me
14:56:51 <Zakim> +laczoka; got it
14:56:54 <laczoka> thx
14:57:13 <Deiu> Zakim, mute me
14:57:13 <Zakim> Deiu should now be muted
14:57:26 <laczoka> zakim, mute me
14:57:26 <Zakim> laczoka should now be muted
14:59:07 <gaedke> gaedke has joined #webid
14:59:27 <mischat> mischat has joined #webid
14:59:41 <bheitman> bheitman has joined #webid
15:00:14 <Zakim> +??P7
15:00:31 <bblfish> Zakim, ??P7 is me
15:00:31 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:00:38 <laczoka> hi
15:00:44 <bblfish> zakim who is on the phone?
15:00:56 <Zakim> +Vicki
15:01:17 <Deiu> I need 5 minutes off, start without me please 
15:01:20 <bblfish> who is on the phone?
15:01:33 <Deiu> ScribeNick: Deiu
15:01:45 <gaedke> Still trying
15:01:46 <Deiu> Zakim, scribe:  Deiu
15:01:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe:  Deiu', Deiu
15:01:52 <osacco> osacco has joined #webid
15:01:58 <Deiu> Zakim, ScribeNick: Deiu
15:01:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ScribeNick: Deiu', Deiu
15:02:26 <laczoka> zakim, unmute me
15:02:26 <Zakim> laczoka should no longer be muted
15:02:42 <Deiu> brb (5 mins)
15:02:44 <jeffsayre> jeffsayre has joined #webid
15:02:55 <Zakim> +??P21
15:03:13 <jeffsayre> I'm running late. Will connect in 15 minutes....
15:03:19 <bergi> Zakim ??P21 is me
15:03:42 <Zakim> +??P18
15:03:42 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
15:03:44 <domel> domel has joined #webid
15:03:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, Vicki, ??P21, ??P18, Deiu (muted), laczoka
15:04:13 <bergi> Zakim, ??P21 is me
15:04:16 <Zakim> +bergi; got it
15:04:17 <bblfish> shall we start?
15:04:23 <osacco> Zakim, ??P18 is me
15:04:23 <Zakim> +osacco; got it
15:04:27 <bblfish> zakim who is making noise?
15:04:27 <Zakim> + +1.781.866.aaaa
15:04:36 <bheitman> Zakim, I am with osacco 
15:04:36 <Zakim> +bheitman; got it
15:04:47 <bblfish> who wants to scribe?
15:04:51 <Zakim> +??P29
15:05:19 <domel> zakim, I am ??P29
15:05:19 <Zakim> +domel; got it
15:05:43 <bblfish> zakim, scor is scribe
15:05:43 <Zakim> sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'scor'
15:06:43 <bblfish> zakim, scribe scor
15:06:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe scor', bblfish
15:06:58 <bblfish> scribe scor
15:07:23 <bblfish> zakim, scor is scribe
15:07:23 <Zakim> sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'scor'
15:07:32 <bblfish> Zakim, Stephane is scribe
15:07:32 <Zakim> sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'Stephane'
15:07:39 <bblfish> Zakim, Corlosquet is scribe
15:07:39 <Zakim> sorry, bblfish, I do not recognize a party named 'Corlosquet'
15:07:41 <scor> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, Vicki, bergi, osacco, +1.781.866.aaaa, domel, Deiu (muted), laczoka
15:07:43 <Zakim> osacco has bheitman
15:08:01 <scor> Zakim, +1.781 is me
15:08:01 <Zakim> +scor; got it
15:08:02 <bblfish> next agendum
15:08:11 <scor> Zakim, scribe is scor
15:08:11 <Zakim> sorry, scor, I do not recognize a party named 'scribe'
15:08:18 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-minutes.html
15:08:20 <scor> Zakim, scor is scribe
15:08:20 <Zakim> +scribe; got it
15:08:21 <domel> +1
15:08:39 <laczoka> +1
15:08:55 <bblfish> +!
15:08:58 <bblfish> +1
15:09:07 <bergi> +1
15:09:09 <bblfish> ACTION: accept paper
15:09:09 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - accept
15:09:22 <bblfish> RESOLVED: Minutes accepted
15:09:40 <scor> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:09:51 <Zakim> scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: laczoka (43%), Vicki (30%), bblfish (67%), scribe (4%)
15:10:07 <laczoka> zakim, mute me
15:10:07 <Zakim> laczoka should now be muted
15:10:18 <bblfish> member:Zakim, who is making noise?
15:10:30 <bblfish> Zakim, who is making the noise
15:10:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making the noise', bblfish
15:10:33 <scor> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:10:43 <Zakim> scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vicki (70%), bblfish (48%)
15:10:55 <gaedke> * have to reboot
15:11:03 <bblfish> next agendum
15:11:40 <bblfish> zakim, close ACTION-26
15:11:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close ACTION-26', bblfish
15:13:48 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
15:13:53 <bblfish> http://bblfish.net:8443/test/WebId
15:14:02 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:14:02 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
15:14:02 <scor> bblfish: suggests to have a page generated automatically for the implementations
15:14:04 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:14:04 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:14:20 <bblfish> curl -E cert.pem -H "Accept: text/rdf+n3" https://bblfish.net:8443/test/WebId
15:14:31 <Deiu> back
15:14:36 <Deiu> Zakim, unmute me
15:14:36 <Zakim> Deiu should no longer be muted
15:14:59 <scor> similar to the EARL test cases
15:15:12 <scor> tells whether your cert or WebID is valid or not
15:16:08 <laczoka> bblfish: what does EARL provided compare to a free-form text?
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15:17:04 <scor> generate the list of implementations based on a list of WebID endpoints that people could register on the Wiki maybe
15:17:25 <scor> the script could also give real time status of what version of WebID is used on the Web
15:17:30 <Zakim> +??P35
15:17:51 <gaedke> me
15:17:55 <gaedke> zakim, me
15:17:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'me', gaedke
15:18:06 <Deiu> Zakim, gaedke is ??P35
15:18:06 <Zakim> sorry, Deiu, I do not recognize a party named 'gaedke'
15:18:07 <gaedke> zakim, +??P35 is me
15:18:08 <Zakim> sorry, gaedke, I do not recognize a party named '+??P35'
15:18:15 <Deiu> Zakim, ??P35 is gaedke 
15:18:15 <Zakim> +gaedke; got it
15:18:15 <laczoka> zakim, ??P35 is gaedke
15:18:16 <Zakim> I already had ??P35 as gaedke, laczoka
15:18:35 <gaedke> Thanks for all the helper ;-)
15:20:31 <scor> bergi wants to implement a servlet online to ease the testing process
15:20:46 <scor> bergi uses jUnit at the moment
15:21:48 <scor> bergi: test suite is not good for a flashy demo, so not so important for Berlin
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15:23:55 <Deiu> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Foaf+ssl
15:23:55 <Zakim> +??P37
15:24:12 <melvster> zakim, ??P37 is me
15:24:12 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
15:24:25 <scor> the implementations page would list URIs of website which implement WebID, a list of platforms offering WebID, and a list of libraries for those interested in adding WebID in their platform
15:24:30 <bblfish> remind people to fill in this http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID_Protocol_Implementations
15:25:47 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/User_Stories_and_Use_Cases
15:27:14 <Zakim> +jeffsayre
15:27:44 <bblfish> Zakim, close ACTION-24
15:27:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close ACTION-24', bblfish
15:28:13 <bblfish> agendum next
15:28:46 <bblfish> next agendum
15:29:07 <bblfish> new people ?
15:29:22 <laczoka> sorry
15:29:27 <laczoka> laczoka = laszlo
15:30:22 <bblfish> we allready talked about  ISSUE-9: Develop WebID Test Suite
15:30:32 <bblfish> next agendum
15:31:39 <laczoka> +1 
15:31:42 <bblfish> +1
15:31:56 <bblfish> on closing action 27 
15:32:03 <Deiu> +1
15:32:09 <bblfish> agenda + "Berlin papers"
15:32:13 <bblfish> next agendum
15:32:42 <bblfish> who has contributed papers?
15:32:44 <Deiu> I have
15:32:47 <domel> I have
15:32:47 <jeffsayre> Zakim, mute me
15:32:47 <Zakim> jeffsayre should now be muted
15:32:49 <claudio> I have
15:32:54 <gaedke> We have
15:32:56 <scor> bblfish asking who is contributing a paper to the Berlin cond?
15:33:03 <scor> s/cond/conf
15:33:14 <scor> bblfish: what did claudio contribute?
15:33:32 <scor> claudio: position about plug and play scenarios for the social web
15:34:41 <scor> claudio: plug your laptop to the network and give the chance to ppl to choose to release some of their personal data, while being able to join a social network
15:35:28 <scor> claudio: your own machine could act a server in the network, and share your personal data with friends
15:35:34 <scor> claudio: open for discussions
15:36:25 <scor> claudio: link?
15:37:21 <scor> bblfish: worked with Deiu on a paper
15:37:39 <Deiu> http://fcns.eu/people/andrei/publications/webid/Friending_on_the_Social_Web.html
15:37:47 <scor> not directly related to WebID: about PingBack (FOAF based)
15:38:52 <scor> Friending is an important feature, strangely this has not happened yet in the FOAF world
15:39:05 <scor> bblfish: has not written a paper on WebID itself
15:39:17 <jeffsayre> +1
15:39:27 <scor> bblfish: should we take the browser paper and adapt it?
15:39:35 <jeffsayre> Zakim, unmute me
15:39:35 <Zakim> jeffsayre should no longer be muted
15:39:37 <jeffsayre> q+
15:41:27 <bblfish> http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/26/
15:42:14 <scor> jeffsayre: keep the 2 first sections more or less as it. twist: explain how and where WebID could be used
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15:42:36 <scor> bblfish: have a demo. one page showing different WebID services (like pinging)
15:42:37 <melvster> there's data.fm too
15:43:30 <scor> jeffsayre: social ping as replacement for semantic ping
15:44:04 <bheitman> yes, thats the plan 
15:44:15 <bheitman> +q
15:44:48 <gaedke> we need a secure foaf update protocol (SecFUP)... focussing on the protocol term not the social
15:45:23 <MacTed> Zakim, who's making noise?
15:45:25 <scor> Zakim, who is making noise?
15:45:29 <bblfish> it sounds like a hoovering behind you
15:45:33 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeffsayre (14%)
15:45:44 <Zakim> scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bblfish (39%)
15:46:18 <bheitman> okay, so the paper will be about how to achieve user profile portability using WebIDs, FOAF and RDF. 
15:46:19 <scor> bblfish: re pingback. good to know what the salmon ppl are doing
15:46:40 <jeffsayre> Zakim, mute me
15:46:40 <Zakim> jeffsayre should now be muted
15:47:23 <scor> bblfish: big problem with the paper domel wrote. needs to be restructured w/o the ontology
15:48:15 <scor> bblfish: WebID group is meeting on Friday morning
15:48:26 <scor> bblfish: and then an hour everyday
15:48:49 <bheitman> scor: what is the syntax for addressing the protocol when I am not the scribe ? 
15:48:59 <scor> bblfish: there might be ppl from america who are thinking alone the lines of salmon etc.
15:49:59 <scor> bblfish: avoid talking about a new ontology. talk about use cases rather
15:50:32 <Deiu> bheitman, keep writing, everything gets logged anyway :-)
15:50:37 <scor> bblfish: use cases for ontologies. lots of work being done on foaf-protocols, not sure what ontology is best
15:50:51 <bblfish> q?
15:51:13 <gaedke> http://ii.uwb.edu.pl/~dtomaszuk/WebIDACO.pdf
15:51:16 <bheitman> my paper will be based very closely on a previous version. If anybody wants to look at the PDF of that previous version, it is here: http://the-blank.net/contains/benjamin/files/Privacy-Enabled_User_Profile_Portability.pdf
15:51:36 <bheitman> -q
15:51:39 <domel> or https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Xs83bNMc5Hb1Eqq_JIpuzQGVCEXWkrKxYarrLfmP3c/edit?hl=pl&authkey=CISb5K8E#
15:51:40 <jeffsayre> q-
15:56:19 <scor> bblfish: anyone here from the access control group?
15:56:38 <bblfish> this one: http :/ / www . w 3 . org / ns / auth / ac l
15:57:02 <scor> bblfish: if there is anyone from the ACL group, hopefully we can talk in Berlin
15:57:58 <scor> bblfish: clerezza/java does not have a very friendly ACL mechanism, if the ACL ontology was available, it would be easier 
15:58:21 <osacco> might be of interest to anyone: we have been working on a privacy preference ontology (PPO) which is based on top of WAC http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2011/papers/ldow2011-paper01-sacco.pdf
15:59:20 <scor> bblfish: not much time left, but would be good someone wanted to adapt the browser paper to submit for Berlin
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16:00:08 <Zakim> -laczoka
16:00:34 <bblfish> q?
16:00:57 <claudio> have to go 
16:01:03 <claudio> regards
16:01:33 <Zakim> -Vicki
16:04:06 <bblfish> thanks everybody
16:04:18 <bblfish> trackbot, end meeting
16:04:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:04:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Deiu, laczoka, bblfish, Vicki, bergi, osacco, +1.781.866.aaaa, bheitman, domel, scribe, MacTed, gaedke, melvster, jeffsayre
16:04:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-minutes.html trackbot
16:04:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:04:20 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-actions.rdf :
16:04:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: accept paper [1]
16:04:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-irc#T15-09-09
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16:05:22 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-irc
16:05:29 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:05:45 <bblfish> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:05:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/09-webid-minutes.html bblfish
16:06:33 <bblfish> bye
16:06:35 <MacTed> RRSAgent, bye
16:06:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
16:06:36 <Zakim> -scribe