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14:53:42 <aphillip> trackbox, setup teleconference
14:54:05 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
14:54:09 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:54:14 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:54:18 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:54:36 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011May/0000.html
14:54:50 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:54:55 <aphillip> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:54:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:55:27 <aphillip> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:55:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:55:48 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
14:55:48 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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14:56:35 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
14:57:07 <aphillip> Agenda+ CSS request on Unicode normalization
15:00:20 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:00:22 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
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15:00:33 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:00:33 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:34 <aphillip> zakim, I am Addison_Phillips
15:00:34 <Zakim> ok, aphillip, I now associate you with Addison_Phillips
15:00:34 <Zakim> +Richard
15:02:27 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aaaa
15:02:45 <aphillip> zakim, +44 is David
15:02:45 <Zakim> +David; got it
15:03:20 <Zakim> +??P13
15:03:25 <kojiishi_> zakim, ??p13 is me
15:03:25 <Zakim> +kojiishi_; got it
15:03:56 <Zakim> + +1.415.885.aabb
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15:04:13 <r12a> hello john
15:04:24 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p13 is me
15:04:26 <Zakim> I already had ??P13 as kojiishi_, kojiishi
15:04:27 <r12a> are you joining our call or just tracking ?
15:04:35 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:04:56 <aphillip> zakim, [Microsoft is Gwyneth
15:04:56 <Zakim> +Gwyneth; got it
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15:05:43 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
15:06:19 <aphillip> richard: review documents that need reviewing
15:06:27 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:07:17 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:07:17 <aphillip> close ACTION-5
15:07:17 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments closed
15:07:45 <aphillip> Check into digit shaping with CSS
15:08:30 <aphillip> close ACTION-35
15:08:30 <trackbot> ACTION-35 Add comment to bug 10830 supporting opening of it closed
15:08:46 <aphillip> 	Talk with Bert about how to deal with change marks in Ruby spec
15:09:07 <aphillip> 	Propose move of Ruby CSS spec to WD on agenda for CSS WG
15:09:18 <aphillip> next week
15:09:26 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:10:31 <aphillip> richard: new version of JLReq is nearing completion
15:11:46 <aphillip> (discussion of where the English is coming from, status of draft, etc.)
15:13:24 <aphillip> Topic: CSS and Unicode Normalization
15:13:26 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011AprJun/0061.html
15:13:44 <aphillip> Could the I18N Working Group, and that's an official request from the CSS WG here, please tell us exactly what we should add to the spec wrt Unicode normalization? I respectfully suggest you write the prose for us, given the complexity of the issue. Of course, your answer will go through our WG and in particular browser implementors, since this has potential huge impacts on performance.
15:13:57 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/mid/20090206225832.GA868@pickering.dbaron.org
15:15:30 <aphillip> addison: brief intro...
15:15:52 <aphillip> richard: for normalization to be effective, the thing that uses CSS has to have text in the same normalization form
15:16:12 <aphillip> ... so question in my mind is "yes, it's good to have a standard form, but go ahead and normalize"
15:16:29 <aphillip> ... "or do we have to wait on content such as HTML5"
15:20:01 <aphillip> addison: two cases: (a) transcoding and (b) do selectors normalize to match
15:20:46 <aphillip> norbert: also consider ecmascript
15:21:18 <aphillip> addison: require or not normative normalization for selectors?
15:24:09 <aphillip> ... base+combining and precomposed values want to be selected together
15:24:28 <aphillip> ... problem is: this imposes normalization required on the DOM
15:25:23 <aphillip> <p class="a\u0301">
15:25:45 <aphillip> class = (precomposed)
15:33:47 <aphillip> (review david's summary)
15:34:10 <aphillip> addison: what would (a) we prefer the solution to be? and (b) what is acceptable?
15:36:36 <aphillip> addison: would #4 be preferable (although maybe not possible)?
15:36:44 <aphillip> richard: probably not realistic
15:37:33 <aphillip> addison: isolated for implementation (and thus possible), but might be hairy to test
15:40:04 <kojiishi> http://blog.antenna.co.jp/PDFTool/archives/2006/02/pdf_41.html
15:44:09 <aphillip> koji: concerned that we restrict this only to non-displayed content
15:44:12 <aphillip> ... for comparison
15:44:18 <aphillip> ... because it could affect the glyphs
15:44:35 <David> zakim, mute me
15:44:35 <Zakim> David should now be muted
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15:53:35 <aphillip> addison: early or late normalization is the difference?
15:55:02 <aphillip> addison: are we close to something?
15:55:11 <aphillip> norbert: anyone studied how common?
16:00:58 <aphillip> addison: only this one very isolated corner of the Web has normalization?
16:01:11 <aphillip> ... although this is where CSS, JS and HTML come together
16:01:36 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
16:06:22 <David> zakim, unmute me
16:06:22 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
16:07:12 <aphillip> richard: need to write it down
16:08:07 <aphillip> david: css has a wiki page of their own?
16:08:41 <aphillip> ... will put URI on members list if/when find it
16:09:42 <David> http://www.w3.org/wiki/I18N/CanonicalNormalization
16:10:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:14:59 <David> zakim, mute me
16:14:59 <Zakim> David should now be muted
16:15:28 <r12a> zakim, mute koji
16:15:28 <Zakim> kojiishi_ should now be muted
16:16:38 <Zakim> -kojiishi_
16:17:33 <aphillip> action: addison: draft a summary for review next week responding to the CSS selectors request outlining potential response(s)
16:17:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Draft a summary for review next week responding to the CSS selectors request outlining potential response(s) [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-05-11].
16:17:55 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:18:30 <David> zakim, unmute me
16:18:30 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
16:18:32 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
16:18:33 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:18:34 <Zakim> -Richard
16:18:34 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:18:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:18:41 <Zakim> -David
16:18:42 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:18:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Addison_Phillips, Richard, +44.141.888.aaaa, David, kojiishi_, +1.415.885.aabb, Norbert, [Microsoft], Gwyneth
16:19:00 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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16:19:07 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:19:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:19:11 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:19:11 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/04-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:19:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: draft a summary for review next week responding to the CSS selectors request outlining potential response(s) [1]
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