IRC log of sparql on 2011-05-03

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-sparql-irc

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13:56:54 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, this will be SPARQL

13:56:54 [Zakim]

ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-05-03

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any regrets?

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chair: Axel Polleres

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SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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+??P5

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+AxelPolleres

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+[IPcaller]

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+??P7

13:59:01 [NickH]

Zakim, ??P5 is me

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+NickH; got it

13:59:03 [AndyS]

zakim, IPCaller is me

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+AndyS; got it

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zakim, ??P7 is me

13:59:11 [Zakim]

+cbuilara; got it

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+ +44.186.528.aaaa

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+kasei

13:59:22 [NickH]

The early bird gets the UK phone line

13:59:32 [bglimm]

Zakim, +44.186.528.aaaa is me

13:59:32 [Zakim]

+bglimm; got it

13:59:39 [Zakim]

+pgearon

13:59:52 [kasei]

bglimm, did you see my proposed service description changes for the entailment properties?

14:00:16 [bglimm]

Greg, no, I didn't see it

14:00:21 [bglimm]

Did you email?

14:00:24 [kasei]

in email last night

14:00:37 [bglimm]

Hm, I checked today, but mst have overlooked it

14:00:40 [bglimm]

Will have a look now

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14:01:29 [LeeF]

AxelPolleres, SteveH and I discussed Dave Beckett's comments and do not believe that there are any substantive changes that arise from them

14:01:48 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:49 [Zakim]

+ +1.617.553.aabb

14:01:51 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH, AxelPolleres, AndyS, cbuilara, bglimm, kasei, pgearon, +1.617.553.aabb

14:01:56 [LeeF]

zakim, LeeF is aabb

14:01:59 [Zakim]

sorry, LeeF, I do not recognize a party named 'LeeF'

14:02:02 [LeeF]

zakim, aabb is LeeF

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+LeeF; got it

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+ +1.603.897.aacc

14:02:23 [MattPerry]

zakim, aacc is me

14:02:23 [Zakim]

+MattPerry; got it

14:02:53 [Zakim]

+[Sophia]

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14:03:32 [bglimm]

Greg, I think what you propose in the mail is good

14:03:36 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

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bglimm should now be muted

14:03:50 [kasei]

bglimm, ok, good. I think that was the last remaining issue.

14:03:59 [kasei]

Zakim, who is talking?

14:04:10 [Zakim]

kasei, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (46%), AxelPolleres (25%), AndyS (3%)

14:04:26 [Zakim]

+ +3539149aadd

14:04:26 [Zakim]

+sandro

14:04:39 [alexpassant]

Zakim, +3539149aadd is me

14:04:39 [Zakim]

+alexpassant; got it

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+??P29

14:04:43 [NickH]

Zakim, mute LeeF

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LeeF should now be muted

14:04:45 [AxelPolleres]

scribe: Alex Passant

14:04:55 [SteveH]

Zakim, ??P29 is me

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+SteveH; got it

14:05:24 [alexpassant]

topic: admin

14:05:28 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-0

14:05:28 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: approve the minutes from last time

14:05:29 [Zakim]

+??P32

14:05:35 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-26

14:05:43 [SteveH]

Zakim, ??P32 is me

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+SteveH; got it

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-SteveH

14:06:08 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-04-26

14:06:29 [alexpassant]

... next meeting - next week

14:06:48 [alexpassant]

topic: Last call publications of documents

14:06:53 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

14:07:09 [alexpassant]

... points to check for every documents, in the agenda

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... start with query

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... are editors ok for LC ?

14:07:40 [alexpassant]

AndyS: yes, need to check the aggregate example with SteveH

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... ready in terms of content

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SteveH: pubchecker

14:08:20 [LeeF]

best effort is good enough for me!

14:08:25 [LeeF]

i'm happy to wrestle with the rest of it

14:08:28 [alexpassant]

... except some wording, similar to other WD

14:08:31 [LeeF]

ack me

14:08:31 [bglimm]

I added

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This document is a Last Call Working Draft.

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Publication as a Last Call Working Draft indicates that the SPARQL Working Group believes it has

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addressed all substantive issues and that the document is stable. The Working Group expects to advance this specification to Recommendation Status.

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Comments on this document should be sent to public-rdf-dawg-comments@w3.org, a mailing list with

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a public archive. Comments on this working draft are due on or before

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29 July 2011.

14:08:48 [bglimm]

To make the pub rule checker happy

14:09:03 [alexpassant]

LeeF: if pubrules is happy, I'm happy

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SteveH: changes between the previous WD and the current oen

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... havent done anything about that now

14:09:38 [bglimm]

pub rul cchecker want the keyword "Last Call Working Draft" and an end date for a review period

14:09:40 [alexpassant]

sandro: would do a diff rather than CVS

14:10:20 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: ask editors to do the changes section

14:10:25 [alexpassant]

... we can leave it out if not here

14:10:46 [alexpassant]

... happy to leave it out it no time

14:11:02 [alexpassant]

... would like to drop the CVS log

14:11:57 [pgearon]

+1 for dropping the logs

14:12:08 [bglimm]

I created pub rule checking

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doc

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http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Pub-Process

14:12:24 [alexpassant]

... birte done a summary of pubrules

14:12:31 [bglimm]

Zakim, unmute me

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bglimm should no longer be muted

14:12:46 [chimezie]

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14:13:21 [alexpassant]

... any critical comments about Query ?

14:13:29 [alexpassant]

... only one I'm worried about is Dave Beckett comment

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+ +1.216.368.aaee

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SteveH: nothing that cause any publication problem

14:14:03 [chimezie]

Zakim, +1.216.368.aaee is me

14:14:03 [Zakim]

+chimezie; got it

14:14:09 [chimezie]

Zakim, mute me

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chimezie should now be muted

14:14:19 [alexpassant]

SteveH: response has been updated

14:14:44 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

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bglimm should now be muted

14:15:19 [bglimm]

Zakim, unmute me

14:15:19 [Zakim]

bglimm should no longer be muted

14:15:35 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

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bglimm should now be muted

14:15:47 [LeeF]

q+ to discuss dates

14:16:21 [alexpassant]

LeeF: date to end the LC

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... need some time to let people look at it

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... min 6 weeks

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... then running into the summer

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... people slowing down

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29 July

14:17:06 [bglimm]

Zakim, unmute me

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bglimm should no longer be muted

14:17:19 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

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bglimm should now be muted

14:17:32 [alexpassant]

... third week of june for the minimum

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... gives a slim change to publish other documents as LC and get them at the same time

14:17:51 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: publish SPARQL1.1 Query as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29

14:17:56 [alexpassant]

... include that date as part of the resolution

14:18:25 [LeeF]

Do our reviewers support publishing as is?

14:18:47 [LeeF]

+1 to pgearon's comment

14:18:56 [alexpassant]

pgearon: oportunity to get feedback at semtech

14:19:28 [AndyS]

Seconded

14:19:30 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: publish SPARQL1.1 Query as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29

14:19:34 [LeeF]

+1 to publishing query LC

14:19:37 [SteveH]

+1

14:19:38 [sandro]

+1 (W3C)

14:19:38 [alexpassant]

+1

14:19:38 [bglimm]

+1

14:19:40 [cbuilara]

+1

14:19:42 [OlivierCorby]

+1

14:19:45 [AndyS]

+1 (ASF)

14:19:46 [MattPerry]

+1 (Oracle)

14:19:49 [chimezie]

+1 (IE)

14:19:51 [kasei]

+1 (RPI)

14:20:03 [pgearon]

+1

14:20:32 [AndyS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:20:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH, AxelPolleres, AndyS, cbuilara, bglimm (muted), kasei, pgearon, LeeF, MattPerry, [Sophia], alexpassant, sandro, SteveH.a, chimezie (muted)

14:20:44 [LeeF]

NickH?

14:20:49 [NickH]

+1 (BBC)

14:20:50 [chimezie]

i have

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thanks!

14:21:28 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: publish SPARQL1.1 Query as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29

14:21:36 [LeeF]

...with no objections or abstentions

14:21:50 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: next document: Update

14:22:48 [SteveH]

it's a capitalisation issue

14:22:55 [AxelPolleres]

q?

14:22:58 [SteveH]

"This", not "this"

14:22:58 [pgearon]

generated HTML for Update is: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.html

14:22:59 [LeeF]

ack

14:23:02 [LeeF]

ack me

14:23:02 [Zakim]

LeeF, you wanted to discuss dates

14:23:24 [LeeF]

SteveH, where?

14:23:35 [SteveH]

LeeF, in the title "Status of This Document"

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our XSLT produces "this"

14:23:50 [LeeF]

wow

14:23:51 [SteveH]

I fixed it in the query-1.1 one

14:23:53 [LeeF]

how dumb

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:-)

14:24:22 [SteveH]

well, someone had to draw a line somwhere :)

14:24:33 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: dont see intractions between USING and USING NAME

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... just a macro for graphs around unnamed patterns

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s/NAME/NAMED

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... ok with the current wording ?

14:26:41 [alexpassant]

kasei: I'm happy with the changes

14:27:09 [alexpassant]

there's the "do we need USING DEFAULT -- PROPOSED: move that to "Postponed Issues""

14:27:36 [AxelPolleres]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2011Jan/0000.html

14:28:13 [AxelPolleres]

draft rtesponse here... http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:HK-2

14:29:15 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:MS-1

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AxelPolleres: commentfrom MS, critical for LC ?

14:30:52 [alexpassant]

alexpassant: no, no crotical

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s/crotical/critical

14:31:20 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:ST-1

14:31:28 [LeeF]

pgearon, let's get this wording straightened out, and then I'll fix the status stuff in the generated HTML

14:31:43 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RN-1

14:31:50 [pgearon]

LeeF: ok

14:32:30 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: need to be sure that the comments are not critical

14:32:56 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Axel to confirm with Paul and Alex that open comments don't contain LC critical parts that are still open

14:32:56 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-453 - Confirm with Paul and Alex that open comments don't contain LC critical parts that are still open [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-05-10].

14:33:40 [bglimm]

q+ to ask about links of federated query and json

14:34:07 [bglimm]

Zakim, unmute me

14:34:07 [Zakim]

bglimm should no longer be muted

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http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federation/

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http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-federated-query/

14:34:33 [alexpassant]

bglimm: some broken links to other documents

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http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-results-json/

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... 404 links

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... which one to chose for JSON

14:36:24 [LeeF]

I suggest removing reference to JSON document and adding it back in at some point in the future

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AxelPolleres: let the JSON doc aside for the moment

14:37:20 [LeeF]

We can keep it in unlinked also, I don't really care.

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AndyS: lets make it unlinked

14:38:32 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

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bglimm should now be muted

14:38:42 [NickH]

Zakim, who is talking?

14:38:44 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: update wording of the WITH, one more person to review

14:38:53 [Zakim]

NickH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (86%)

14:39:20 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Andy to approve rewording for WITH in update if any

14:39:20 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-454 - Approve rewording for WITH in update if any [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-05-10].

14:39:48 [alexpassant]

... sorting that with paul after the call

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... go ahead with proposal to LC

14:40:50 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: publish SPARQL1.1 Update as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29 modulo completion of ACTION-454 and ACTION-453

14:41:13 [LeeF]

I'm OK with that

14:41:57 [SteveH]

+1 (Garlik)

14:42:02 [kasei]

+1 (RPI)

14:42:03 [sandro]

+1 (W3C)

14:42:04 [AndyS]

+1 (ASF)

14:42:05 [LeeF]

+1 (Cambridge Semanics)

14:42:06 [chimezie]

+1 (IE)

14:42:06 [bglimm]

+1 (The University of Oxford)

14:42:08 [OlivierCorby]

+1 (INRIA)

14:42:11 [pgearon]

+1

14:42:11 [MattPerry]

+1 (Oracle)

14:42:11 [cbuilara]

+1 (UPM)

14:42:18 [alexpassant]

+1 (DERI)

14:42:48 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, who is on the phone?

14:42:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH, AxelPolleres, AndyS, cbuilara, bglimm (muted), kasei, pgearon, LeeF, MattPerry, [Sophia], alexpassant, sandro, SteveH.a, chimezie (muted)

14:42:51 [NickH]

+1 (BBC)

14:43:26 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: publish SPARQL1.1 Update as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29 modulo completion of ACTION-454 and ACTION-453

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... with no objections and no abstentions

14:44:04 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: next, SD

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... ready ?

14:44:44 [alexpassant]

kasei: request to add use of entailement in the examples

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... so that SD can describe entailement

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... and samepl SD shown in Turtle, in addition to RDF/XML

14:45:18 [bglimm]

Yes

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14:46:20 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: greg to add use of entailement in the examples and sample SD shown in Turtle

14:46:21 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-455 - Add use of entailement in the examples and sample SD shown in Turtle [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-05-10].

14:46:44 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Birte to approve completion of ATION-455

14:46:44 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-456 - Approve completion of ATION-455 [on Birte Glimm - due 2011-05-10].

14:47:38 [alex_]

kasei: no major issues in open comments. 2 comments from Rob Vesse, mostly editorial

14:47:54 [alex_]

Zakim: scribe is alex_

14:48:32 [alexpassant]

AxelPolleres: all comments addressed from reviewers

14:48:36 [LeeF]

+1

14:49:10 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: publish SPARQL1.1 Service Description as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29 modulo completion of ACTION-456

14:49:36 [bglimm]

+1 (The University of Oxford)

14:49:38 [kasei]

+1 (RPI)

14:49:39 [LeeF]

+1 (Cambridge Semantics)

14:49:39 [OlivierCorby]

+1 (INRIA)

14:49:40 [AndyS]

+1 (ASF)

14:49:40 [cbuilara]

+1 (UPM)

14:49:42 [MattPerry]

+1 (Oracle)

14:49:44 [NickH]

+1 (BBC)

14:49:45 [alexpassant]

+1 (DERI)

14:49:48 [pgearon]

+1 (Revelytix)

14:49:50 [sandro]

+0 (W3C)

14:50:05 [chimezie]

+1 (IE)

14:50:35 [sandro]

(Nothing big -- I'm just not a fan of this whole design.... Certainly not opposed, just not a fan.)

14:51:22 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: publish SPARQL1.1 Update as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29 modulo completion of ACTION-454, no objections, one abstention

14:51:30 [kasei]

sandro, not a fan of the SD thing in general? or something specific about this specific design?

14:51:51 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: publish SPARQL1.1 Service Description as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29 modulo completion of ACTION-456, no objections, one abstention

14:52:28 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: axel to fix resolution in the notes to remove wrongly copied duplicate resolution concerning Update

14:52:28 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-457 - Fix resolution in the notes to remove wrongly copied duplicate resolution concerning Update [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-05-10].

14:52:54 [bglimm]

Zakim, unmute me

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bglimm should no longer be muted

14:53:18 [AxelPolleres]

topic: entailment

14:53:49 [sandro]

kasei, I think SD is being used to solve problems (like selecting entailment) that would be better done in other ways.

14:55:10 [AxelPolleres]

q?

14:55:19 [AxelPolleres]

ack bglimm

14:55:19 [Zakim]

bglimm, you wanted to ask about links of federated query and json

14:55:54 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: publish SPARQL1.1 Entailment Regimes as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29

14:56:14 [AndyS]

+1 (ASF)

14:56:15 [bglimm]

+1 (The University of Oxford)

14:56:15 [LeeF]

+1 (Cambridge Semantics)

14:56:16 [chimezie]

+1 (IE)

14:56:17 [cbuilara]

+1 (UPM)

14:56:18 [OlivierCorby]

+1 (INRIA)

14:56:18 [MattPerry]

+1 (Oracle)

14:56:18 [kasei]

+1 (RPI)

14:56:19 [alexpassant]

+1 (DERI)

14:56:25 [SteveH]

+1 (Garlik)

14:56:27 [pgearon]

+1 (Revelytix)

14:57:00 [sandro]

+1 (W3C) --- assuming RIF-in-RDF stuff in this is fixed, as per email between me and Axel

14:57:00 [NickH]

+1 (BBC)

14:57:45 [bglimm]

So we have to update the entailment doc with a new RIF-in-RDF URL?

14:57:46 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: sandro to fix RIF-in RDF note, publish it, and fix reference in the entailemt doc

14:57:46 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-458 - Fix RIF-in RDF note, publish it, and fix reference in the entailemt doc [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-05-10].

14:58:33 [sandro]

This includes fixing a couple minor errors in the example.

14:58:56 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: publish SPARQL1.1 Entailment Regimes as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29 modulo completion of ACTION-458

14:59:07 [sandro]

+1 (W3C)

14:59:07 [kasei]

+1 (RPI)

14:59:09 [NickH]

+1 (BBC)

14:59:10 [pgearon]

+1 (Revelytix)

14:59:11 [LeeF]

+1 (Cambridge Semantics)

14:59:12 [AndyS]

+1 (ASF)

14:59:12 [MattPerry]

+1 (Oracle)

14:59:13 [cbuilara]

+1 (UPM)

14:59:14 [SteveH]

+1 (Garlik)

14:59:15 [OlivierCorby]

+1 (INRIA)

14:59:17 [chimezie]

+1 (IE)

14:59:20 [bglimm]

+1 (The University of Oxford)

14:59:51 [alexpassant]

+1 (DERI)

14:59:57 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: publish SPARQL1.1 Entailment Regimes as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29 modulo completion of ACTION-458

15:00:41 [LeeF]

graph store protocol

15:00:54 [chimezie]

Zakim, unmute me

15:00:54 [Zakim]

chimezie should no longer be muted

15:01:37 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

15:01:37 [AndyS]

q+

15:01:39 [Zakim]

bglimm should now be muted

15:02:18 [bglimm]

+1

15:02:33 [NickH]

can stay

15:02:39 [alexpassant]

can't stay

15:02:49 [alexpassant]

can someone take the scribe role?

15:03:14 [chimezie]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:KK-6

15:03:21 [sandro]

RESOLVED: Extend the meeting to discuss other two documents

15:04:55 [Zakim]

-alexpassant

15:04:59 [AxelPolleres]

PROPOSED: publish SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29

15:05:13 [bglimm]

+1 (The University of Oxford)

15:05:16 [NickH]

+1 (BBC)

15:05:18 [chimezie]

+1 (IE)

15:05:18 [MattPerry]

+1 (Oracle)

15:05:20 [cbuilara]

+1 (UPM)

15:05:21 [kasei]

+1 (RPI)

15:05:21 [AndyS]

+1 (ASF)

15:05:22 [LeeF]

+1 (Cambridge Semantics)

15:05:23 [SteveH]

+1 (Garlik)

15:05:24 [AxelPolleres]

+1 (DERI)

15:05:25 [OlivierCorby]

+1 (INRIA)

15:05:30 [sandro]

+1 (W3C)

15:05:30 [pgearon]

+1 (Revelytix)

15:05:57 [AndyS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:05:57 [Zakim]

On the phone I see NickH, AxelPolleres, AndyS, cbuilara, bglimm (muted), kasei, pgearon, LeeF, MattPerry, [Sophia], sandro, SteveH.a, chimezie

15:06:21 [AxelPolleres]

RESOLVED: publish SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol as Last call working draft with publication date May 12 and comments period until July 29, no objections, no abstentions

15:07:06 [LeeF]

thanks to all of the editors for all of the hard work getting this far!

15:07:26 [LeeF]

and congratulations to the whole group for getting this far

15:07:41 [AxelPolleres]

adjourned

15:07:44 [Zakim]

-[Sophia]

15:07:47 [Zakim]

-chimezie

15:07:48 [chimezie]

later

15:07:50 [Zakim]

-SteveH.a

15:07:53 [NickH]

well done everyone!

15:07:53 [Zakim]

-bglimm

15:07:55 [MattPerry]

bye

15:07:56 [Zakim]

-cbuilara

15:08:00 [Zakim]

-kasei

15:08:02 [Zakim]

-MattPerry

15:08:06 [Zakim]

-NickH

15:09:39 [AxelPolleres]

ACTION: Axel to send request for publication as soon as "modulo" actions are completed (and poke responsibles to complete before 6th)

15:09:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-459 - Send request for publication as soon as "modulo" actions are completed (and poke responsibles to complete before 6th) [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-05-10].

15:12:15 [Zakim]

-LeeF

15:12:16 [Zakim]

-sandro

15:12:17 [Zakim]

-AxelPolleres

15:12:35 [sandro]

AxelPolleres, LeeF --- great job you guys.... and everyone :-)

15:13:29 [AxelPolleres]

rrsagent, make records public

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15:13:58 [AxelPolleres]

THanks to everyone! and let's take that spin to also finish the other docs in the coming weeks! ;-)

15:14:22 [kasei]

preferred turtle media type these days is text/turtle?

15:15:48 [Zakim]

-AndyS

15:16:00 [AndyS]

kasei, yes - registered by W3C in March.

15:16:19 [kasei]

thanks, AndyS

15:17:26 [Zakim]

-pgearon

15:17:28 [Zakim]

SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

15:17:30 [Zakim]

Attendees were AxelPolleres, NickH, AndyS, cbuilara, kasei, bglimm, pgearon, +1.617.553.aabb, LeeF, +1.603.897.aacc, MattPerry, [Sophia], sandro, alexpassant, SteveH, chimezie

15:17:48 [AndyS]

Who will be at Semtech?

15:20:32 [bglimm]

Not me, we have a paper on SPARQL OWL Direct Semantics Entailment at OWL ED (colocated with SemTec), but C&P is presenting it for us

15:21:09 [SteveH]

I very much doubt I'll be there

15:21:10 [sandro]

I have travel approval for SemTech, but haven't actually booked tix yet.

15:21:24 [sandro]

So could me as 70%

15:25:36 [AxelPolleres]

I will be at Semtech!

15:26:14 [AxelPolleres]

let's put Semtech on the agenda for next week's meeting under Admin issues.. we probably have to discuss advertising in general

15:26:23 [kasei]

anybody have a minute to glance at SD updates?

15:26:45 [AxelPolleres]

need to run, sorry

15:27:06 [pgearon]

I can soon, but am trying to sort through pubrules right now

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15:35:53 [kasei]

sandro, sorry, didn't see your response re: SD earlier. not sure I understand about "selecting" entailment.

15:38:31 [sandro]

I want to be able to query the same data with and without RIF entailment. The way to do that with SPARQL 1.1 is a crazy hack involving SD.

15:44:09 [kasei]

i'm not sure how the SD would be involved in that.

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15:48:33 [kasei]

what sort of "crazy hack" do you have in mind?

15:58:04 [bglimm]

Sandro, I think we discussed this a couple of times and as there was no agreement as to how you can "select" entailments, it boiled down to SDs just describing what is on offer. As a user, you cannot change that. We would need more time for getting an agreement about how users can ask systems to do some kind of entailment, what happens if the system cannot do that for some reasone etc

15:58:45 [sandro]

I know, bglimm, and that's why I'm not objecting -- merely abstaining.

15:59:12 [bglimm]

Ah, ok, that's the explanation for your abstain decision, fair point

16:01:32 [kasei]

i'm just curious what this "crazy hack" is. have we discussed this before?

16:01:47 [kasei]

definitely think selecting entailment is well outside the scope of the SD stuff.

16:04:29 [chimezie]

the query language (or the SPARQL RDF protocol) is really the place for such a thing

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17:35:03 [bglimm]

Does anybody know whether the SPARQL 1.1 documents, when I reference them in the bibliography are normative?

17:35:25 [bglimm]

Or should that be under Other References?

17:36:02 [bglimm]

I would expect that everything that is not REC is under Other References

17:37:08 [kasei]

but open question about whether all REC docs should be normative.

17:39:55 [bglimm]

Yes, that I would assume. How can they not be?

17:41:43 [kasei]

well, in SD I link to RDFa by saying that RDFa could be used to encode the SD, but I don't think that's enough for it to be normative.

17:42:34 [kasei]

it's merely informative. nothing in SD requires support for or conformance with the RDFa rec.

17:42:37 [bglimm]

Hm, in that sense you are right. I understood it as normative docs in general and not w.r.t. the document, but I could be wrong

17:42:55 [kasei]

ah, yeah. we should get that clarified :)

17:45:04 [bglimm]

I just asked Markus (he worked on OWL) and I might be wrong with my simplistic categorization, but he suggested I check the OWL specs, they have lots of references because he wan't 100% certain

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17:46:12 [bglimm]

Yes, there they seemto put into the normative section what is normative for the document

17:46:38 [bglimm]

I guess I have to sort my bibliography then

18:07:58 [kasei]

who would I ping about a bug in the open actions tracker?

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20:34:21 [NickH]

ask sandro?