IRC log of rdb2rdf on 2011-05-03
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 7322733
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- ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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- Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 May 2011
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011May/0000.html
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- regrets+ Richard
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- regrets+ Juan
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- regrets+ Boris
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- regrets+ Eric
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- regrets+ Ivan
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- regrets+ Nuno
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Chair: Michael
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- betehess, are you able to scribe, pls?
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- SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
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- + +49.112.8.aaaa
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- Zakim, I am +49.112.8.aaaa
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- +alexdeleon; got it
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- + +3539149aabb
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- Zakim, aabb is me
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- +mhausenblas; got it
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 15:57:07 [Ashok]
- chair: Michael
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- meeting: RDB2RDF
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- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see alexdeleon, mhausenblas
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- On IRC I see Ashok, alexdeleon, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, mhausenblas, iv_an_ru__, betehess, trackbot, ericP
- 15:58:22 [Ashok]
- Yes, I can scribe
- 15:58:34 [mhausenblas]
- scribenick: Ashok
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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- +Alexandre
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- -alexdeleon
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- Zakim, aacc is dmcneil
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- +dmcneil; got it
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- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see mhausenblas, dmcneil, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra
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- On IRC I see dmcneil, Marcelo, Ashok, alexdeleon, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, mhausenblas, iv_an_ru__, betehess, trackbot, ericP
- 16:02:29 [Ashok]
- present: Alex, David, Michael, Ashok, Alexandre
- 16:03:16 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: Admin
- 16:03:31 [mhausenblas]
- PROPOSAL: accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/04/26-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
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- Topic: Minutes from April 26
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- RESOLUTION: Minutes approved w/o objection
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- Topic: f2f at TPAC
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- +alexdeleon
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- present+: Souri, Seema
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- Zakim aadd is Souri
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- Zakim, aadd is Souri
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- +Souri; got it
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- Zakim, aaee is Seema
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- +Seema; got it
- 16:05:32 [mhausenblas]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/TPAC2011/results
- 16:05:38 [Marcelo]
- Sorry, I will call in a few minutes
- 16:06:02 [Ashok]
- We have asked for one day at TPAC for a f2f
- 16:07:43 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: I agree with Ashok re LC planning and using TPAC as a forum for exchange
- 16:08:27 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Meetings
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- Michael: We need at least one editor for each spec ... but everyone in the WG should try and attend
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- Ashok: Let's of interesting talks at TPAC
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- s/Let's/Lot's/
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- Topic: Editor for the DM Spec
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- Alexandre is now an editor on the DM spec
- 16:10:07 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: great to have Alexandre as another DM spec Editor
- 16:11:28 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: Great to see dissemination activities by Alexandre - please update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Main_Page#Presentations.2C_Outreach_and_Tutorials as well
- 16:13:04 [Ashok]
- Topic: Action Item Review
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- thanks
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- ACTION-119?
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- ACTION-119 -- Souripriya Das to propose a solution for ISSUE-18 (SQL string/multiple triplesMap) - new property -- due 2011-04-26 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/119
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/open
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- ACTION-119
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- ISSUE-18?
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- ISSUE-18 -- Allow SQL queries to be reused in a mapping -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/18
- 16:14:42 [Ashok]
- Souri: We have updated the ISSUE-18
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- s/the//
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- Souri: We want to extend the rr:SQLQuery to allow IRIs as well
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- ... we add a new property rr:StringQuery for queries as strings
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- ... we show an example of using these properties
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- s/StringQuery/hasStringValue
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- David: I think this solves the problem
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- PROPOSAL: Accept Souri's and Seema's proposals re rr;hasStringValue and resolve ISSUE-18
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- +q
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- ack dmcneil
- 16:18:36 [Souri]
- s/rr;/rr:/
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- +q
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- Zakim, aaff is Marcelo
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- +Marcelo; got it
- 16:20:46 [Ashok]
- Souri: The proposal allows extensibility ... perhaps use URI as a bind variable
- 16:20:49 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Marcelo
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- ack dmcneil
- 16:20:55 [Ashok]
- present+: Marcelo
- 16:22:33 [Ashok]
- David: Discusses giving a name to the view
- 16:23:04 [mhausenblas]
- PROPOSAL: Accept Souri's and Seema's proposals re rr:hasStringBinding and resolve ISSUE-18
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- +q
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- ack alexdeleon
- 16:23:59 [alexdeleon]
- <TripleMap1> rr:relation <r1>. <TripleMap2> rr:relation <r2>. <r1> rr:tableName "x". <r2> rr:sql "SELECT ...".
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- q?
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- +q
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- -q
- 16:29:24 [betehess]
- /me likes the indirection idea through an IRI
- 16:29:48 [mhausenblas]
- close ACTION-119
- 16:29:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-119 Propose a solution for ISSUE-18 (SQL string/multiple triplesMap) - new property closed
- 16:30:14 [alexdeleon]
- adeleon
- 16:30:32 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: adeleon to draft a proposal for ISSUE-18
- 16:30:32 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-122 - Draft a proposal for ISSUE-18 [on Alexander de Leon - due 2011-05-10].
- 16:31:08 [Ashok]
- ACTION-121
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- ACTION-121?
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- ACTION-121 -- Souripriya Das to follow-up on Eric's post regarding ISSUE-29 concerning string casts -- due 2011-04-26 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/121
- 16:31:18 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-29?
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- ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- open
- 16:31:18 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
- 16:32:02 [Zakim]
- -Alexandre
- 16:32:10 [dmcneil]
- i think that is a different issue
- 16:32:28 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-9?
- 16:32:28 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-9 -- Generate Blank Nodes for duplicate tuples -- postponed
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/9
- 16:32:57 [dmcneil]
- that looks more correct than issue 29
- 16:35:11 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: agree with Ashok that input re ISSUE-9 (essentially Ted's ACTION-102) for RDF WG would be great to have
- 16:35:30 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: let's continue with ISSUE-29 now, though
- 16:36:07 [dmcneil]
- the issue arises outside of the context of the "template" property
- 16:37:06 [Ashok]
- Souri: User has to use tochar function to convert to character strings
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- Souri: Let's give it some more thought
- 16:38:59 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: Issue review
- 16:39:02 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-25?
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- ISSUE-25 -- Including direct mapping constructs in R2RML mappings -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/25
- 16:39:24 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 16:42:50 [Ashok]
- Re. Issue-25 if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped. Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.
- 16:43:08 [Ashok]
- ... add a para to the R2RML doc saying this
- 16:43:16 [mhausenblas]
- PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped. Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' and update R2RML document accordingly
- 16:44:18 [juansequeda]
- +1
- 16:44:33 [mhausenblas]
- PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped. Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' and update R2RML document accordingly and not introduce a new property for it
- 16:45:52 [dmcneil]
- PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped. Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' and update R2RML document accordingly. Furthermore, the R2RML mapping language will not include a property to invoke the direct mapping.
- 16:47:11 [mhausenblas]
- PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped. Specifically, the DM semantics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' 1. update R2RML document accordingly. 2. the R2RML mapping language will not include a property to invoke the direct mapping.
- 16:48:44 [dmcneil]
- PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped. Specifically, the DM semantics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' 1. update R2RML document accordingly. 2. at this time the R2RML mapping language will not include a property to invoke the direct mapping.
- 16:48:52 [dmcneil]
- added "at this time" to point 2
- 16:50:04 [dmcneil]
- i put ISSUE-29 into that same category... as a possible addition to a later version of the spec
- 16:50:46 [Ashok]
- RESOLUTION: Issue-25 resolved with proposal above
- 16:51:10 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Souri to implement decision re ISSUE-25
- 16:51:10 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-123 - Implement decision re ISSUE-25 [on Souripriya Das - due 2011-05-10].
- 16:51:42 [mhausenblas]
- ISSUE-29?
- 16:51:42 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- open
- 16:51:42 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
- 16:52:48 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 16:54:09 [dmcneil]
- PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-29 with: change the R2RML spec to require that blank node identifier and URI expressions be of string types. The work to define how to automatically convert types to strings will be deferred.
- 16:54:43 [Souri]
- +1
- 16:55:07 [Ashok]
- RESOLUTION: Issue-29 resolved with proposal above
- 16:55:41 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Seema to implement decision re ISSUE-29 (bNodes identifier and URI expressions be of string types)
- 16:55:42 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-124 - Implement decision re ISSUE-29 (bNodes identifier and URI expressions be of string types) [on Seema Sundara - due 2011-05-10].
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- -Souri
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- -dmcneil
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- -Seema
- 16:56:45 [mhausenblas]
- [meeting adjourned]
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- -alexdeleon
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- -Marcelo
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- -mhausenblas
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- SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were +49.112.8.aaaa, +3539149aabb, alexdeleon, mhausenblas, +1.314.394.aacc, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, +1.603.897.aadd, +1.603.897.aaee, Souri, Seema,
- 16:56:53 [Zakim]
- ... +1.562.686.aaff, Marcelo
- 16:57:03 [mhausenblas]
- trackbot, end telecon
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:57:03 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: adeleon to draft a proposal for ISSUE-18 [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-30-32
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- ACTION: Souri to implement decision re ISSUE-25 [2]
- 16:57:05 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-51-10
- 16:57:05 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Seema to implement decision re ISSUE-29 (bNodes identifier and URI expressions be of string types) [3]
- 16:57:05 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-55-41