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15:52:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
15:52:53 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:52:53 <trackbot> Date: 03 May 2011
15:53:00 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011May/0000.html
15:53:15 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Richard
15:53:20 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Juan
15:53:26 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Boris
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15:53:34 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Eric
15:53:41 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ivan
15:53:45 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Nuno
15:53:50 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:53:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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15:53:55 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:55:28 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
15:55:38 <mhausenblas> betehess, are you able to scribe, pls?
15:55:45 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
15:55:53 <Zakim> + +49.112.8.aaaa
15:56:09 <alexdeleon> Zakim, I am +49.112.8.aaaa
15:56:11 <Zakim> +alexdeleon; got it
15:56:11 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
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15:56:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is me
15:56:19 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
15:57:00 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:57:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:57:07 <Ashok> chair: Michael
15:57:21 <Ashok> meeting:  RDB2RDF
15:57:45 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
15:57:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see alexdeleon, mhausenblas
15:57:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, alexdeleon, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, mhausenblas, iv_an_ru__, betehess, trackbot, ericP
15:58:22 <Ashok> Yes, I can scribe
15:58:34 <mhausenblas> scribenick: Ashok
15:58:50 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:58:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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16:01:15 <Zakim> +Alexandre
16:01:16 <Zakim> -alexdeleon
16:01:28 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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16:01:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is dmcneil 
16:01:35 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
16:01:49 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas, dmcneil, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra
16:01:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see dmcneil, Marcelo, Ashok, alexdeleon, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, mhausenblas, iv_an_ru__, betehess, trackbot, ericP
16:02:29 <Ashok> present: Alex, David, Michael, Ashok, Alexandre
16:03:16 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
16:03:31 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/04/26-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:03:40 <Ashok> Topic:  Minutes from April 26
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16:04:16 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Minutes approved w/o objection
16:04:33 <Ashok> Topic:  f2f at TPAC
16:04:36 <Zakim> +alexdeleon
16:04:49 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
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16:05:08 <Ashok> present+:  Souri, Seema
16:05:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim aadd is Souri
16:05:24 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is Souri
16:05:24 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
16:05:29 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaee is Seema
16:05:29 <Zakim> +Seema; got it
16:05:32 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/TPAC2011/results
16:05:38 <Marcelo> Sorry, I will call in a few minutes
16:06:02 <Ashok> We have asked for one day at TPAC for a f2f
16:07:43 <mhausenblas> Michael: I agree with Ashok re LC planning and using TPAC as a forum for exchange
16:08:27 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Meetings
16:08:27 <Ashok> Michael: We need at least one editor for each spec ... but everyone in the WG should try and attend
16:08:47 <Ashok> Ashok:  Let's of interesting talks at TPAC
16:09:06 <Ashok> s/Let's/Lot's/
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16:09:26 <Ashok> Topic:  Editor for the DM Spec
16:09:50 <Ashok> Alexandre is now an editor on the DM spec
16:10:07 <mhausenblas> Michael: great to have Alexandre as another DM spec Editor
16:11:28 <mhausenblas> Michael: Great to see dissemination activities by Alexandre - please update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Main_Page#Presentations.2C_Outreach_and_Tutorials as well
16:13:04 <Ashok> Topic:  Action Item Review
16:13:06 <betehess> thanks
16:13:20 <mhausenblas> ACTION-119?
16:13:21 <trackbot> ACTION-119 -- Souripriya Das to propose a solution for ISSUE-18 (SQL string/multiple triplesMap) - new property -- due 2011-04-26 -- OPEN
16:13:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/119
16:13:22 <Ashok> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/open 
16:13:32 <Ashok> ACTION-119
16:14:15 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-18?
16:14:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Allow SQL queries to be reused in a mapping -- open
16:14:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/18
16:14:42 <Ashok> Souri:  We have updated the ISSUE-18
16:14:49 <Ashok> s/the//
16:15:19 <Ashok> Souri:  We want to extend the rr:SQLQuery to allow IRIs as well
16:15:55 <Ashok> ... we add a new property rr:StringQuery for queries as strings
16:16:24 <Ashok> ... we show an example of using these properties
16:16:31 <mhausenblas> s/StringQuery/hasStringValue
16:17:04 <Ashok> David:  I think this solves the problem
16:18:15 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept Souri's and Seema's proposals re rr;hasStringValue and resolve ISSUE-18
16:18:28 <dmcneil> +q
16:18:33 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
16:18:36 <Souri> s/rr;/rr:/
16:20:28 <Zakim> + +1.562.686.aaff
16:20:39 <dmcneil> +q
16:20:43 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaff is Marcelo 
16:20:43 <Zakim> +Marcelo; got it
16:20:46 <Ashok> Souri:  The proposal allows extensibility ... perhaps use URI as a bind variable
16:20:49 <mhausenblas> present+ Marcelo 
16:20:54 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
16:20:55 <Ashok> present+: Marcelo
16:22:33 <Ashok> David:  Discusses giving a name to the view
16:23:04 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept Souri's and Seema's proposals re rr:hasStringBinding and resolve ISSUE-18
16:23:34 <alexdeleon> +q
16:23:44 <mhausenblas> ack alexdeleon 
16:23:59 <alexdeleon> <TripleMap1> 	rr:relation <r1>. 	 <TripleMap2> 	rr:relation <r2>. 	 <r1> 	rr:tableName "x".  <r2> 	rr:sql "SELECT ...". 
16:24:52 <mhausenblas> q?
16:28:11 <dmcneil> +q
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16:29:24 <betehess>  /me likes the indirection idea through an IRI
16:29:48 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-119
16:29:48 <trackbot> ACTION-119 Propose a solution for ISSUE-18 (SQL string/multiple triplesMap) - new property closed
16:30:14 <alexdeleon> adeleon
16:30:32 <mhausenblas> ACTION: adeleon to draft a proposal for ISSUE-18 
16:30:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Draft a proposal for ISSUE-18  [on Alexander de Leon - due 2011-05-10].
16:31:08 <Ashok> ACTION-121
16:31:08 <mhausenblas> ACTION-121?
16:31:08 <trackbot> ACTION-121 -- Souripriya Das to follow-up on Eric's post regarding ISSUE-29 concerning string casts -- due 2011-04-26 -- OPEN
16:31:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/121
16:31:18 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-29?
16:31:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- open
16:31:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
16:32:02 <Zakim> -Alexandre
16:32:10 <dmcneil> i think that is a different issue
16:32:28 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-9?
16:32:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Generate Blank Nodes for duplicate tuples -- postponed
16:32:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/9
16:32:57 <dmcneil> that looks more correct than issue 29
16:35:11 <mhausenblas> Michael: agree with Ashok that input re ISSUE-9 (essentially Ted's ACTION-102) for RDF WG would be great to have
16:35:30 <mhausenblas> Michael: let's continue with ISSUE-29 now, though
16:36:07 <dmcneil> the issue arises outside of the context of the "template" property
16:37:06 <Ashok> Souri:  User has to use tochar function to convert to character strings
16:38:33 <Ashok> Souri:  Let's give it some more thought
16:38:59 <mhausenblas> Topic: Issue review
16:39:02 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-25?
16:39:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 -- Including direct mapping constructs in R2RML mappings -- open
16:39:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/25
16:39:24 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:39:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:42:50 <Ashok> Re.  Issue-25 if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped.  Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.
16:43:08 <Ashok> ... add a para to the R2RML doc saying this
16:43:16 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped.  Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' and update R2RML document accordingly
16:44:18 <juansequeda> +1
16:44:33 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped.  Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' and update R2RML document accordingly and not introduce a new property for it
16:45:52 <dmcneil> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped.  Specifically, the DM semnatics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' and update R2RML document accordingly. Furthermore, the R2RML mapping language will not include a property to invoke the direct mapping.
16:47:11 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped.  Specifically, the DM semantics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' 1. update R2RML document accordingly. 2. the R2RML mapping language will not include a property to invoke the direct mapping.
16:48:44 <dmcneil> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-25 with 'if tables and columns are not mentioned in the R2R mapping, they will not be mapped.  Specifically, the DM semantics will not be used to map these tables and columns.' 1. update R2RML document accordingly. 2. at this time the R2RML mapping language will not include a property to invoke the direct mapping.
16:48:52 <dmcneil> added "at this time" to point 2
16:50:04 <dmcneil> i put ISSUE-29 into that same category... as a possible addition to a later version of the spec
16:50:46 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Issue-25 resolved with proposal above
16:51:10 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Souri to implement decision re ISSUE-25
16:51:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Implement decision re ISSUE-25 [on Souripriya Das - due 2011-05-10].
16:51:42 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-29?
16:51:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- open
16:51:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
16:52:48 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:52:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:54:09 <dmcneil> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-29 with: change the R2RML spec to require that blank node identifier and URI expressions be of string types. The work to define how to automatically convert types to strings will be deferred.
16:54:43 <Souri> +1
16:55:07 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Issue-29 resolved with proposal above
16:55:41 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Seema to implement decision re ISSUE-29 (bNodes identifier and URI expressions be of string types)
16:55:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Implement decision re ISSUE-29 (bNodes identifier and URI expressions be of string types) [on Seema Sundara - due 2011-05-10].
16:56:42 <Zakim> -Souri
16:56:44 <Zakim> -dmcneil
16:56:44 <Zakim> -Seema
16:56:45 <mhausenblas> [meeting adjourned]
16:56:45 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:56:45 <Zakim> -alexdeleon
16:56:47 <Zakim> -Marcelo
16:56:48 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
16:56:48 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
16:56:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +49.112.8.aaaa, +3539149aabb, alexdeleon, mhausenblas, +1.314.394.aacc, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, +1.603.897.aadd, +1.603.897.aaee, Souri, Seema,
16:56:53 <Zakim> ... +1.562.686.aaff, Marcelo
16:57:03 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
16:57:03 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:57:03 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:57:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:57:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
16:57:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:57:05 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
16:57:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: adeleon to draft a proposal for ISSUE-18  [1]
16:57:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-30-32
16:57:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Souri to implement decision re ISSUE-25 [2]
16:57:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-51-10
16:57:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Seema to implement decision re ISSUE-29 (bNodes identifier and URI expressions be of string types) [3]
16:57:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/03-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-55-41