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15:52:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:52:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
15:52:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
15:52:07 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
15:52:08 <trackbot> Date: 02 May 2011
15:52:40 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
15:52:40 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:55:24 <bblfish> agenda + Accept minutes of previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/04/25-webid-irc -- though not at http://www.w3.org/2011/04/25-webid-minutes.html why?
15:56:17 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM has now started
15:56:24 <Zakim> +??P17
15:56:26 <Zakim> -??P17
15:56:27 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM has ended
15:56:27 <Zakim> Attendees were 
15:56:50 <Deiu> Can't connect with the password
15:56:53 <bblfish> agenda + "Introducing new people"
15:56:59 <bblfish> let me see
15:57:58 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM has now started
15:58:04 <bblfish> I am in
15:58:05 <Zakim> +??P18
15:58:15 <bblfish> zakim, ??P18 is bblfish
15:58:15 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:58:25 <Zakim> +??P20
15:59:05 <Deiu> Zakim, I am +??P20
15:59:05 <Zakim> sorry, Deiu, I do not see a party named '+??P20'
15:59:10 <Deiu> Zakim, who's online
15:59:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's online', Deiu
15:59:11 <bblfish> agenda +Issues to discuss?
15:59:13 <Zakim> +??P22
15:59:37 <domel> zakim,  ??P22 is domel
15:59:37 <Zakim> +domel; got it
16:00:01 <Deiu> Zakim, ??P20 is Deiu 
16:00:01 <Zakim> +Deiu; got it
16:00:05 <bblfish> agenda +Berlin papers and stuff
16:01:51 <jeffsayre> jeffsayre has joined #webid
16:02:09 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aaaa
16:02:12 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aabb
16:02:30 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is OpenLink_Software
16:02:30 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
16:02:40 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:02:40 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:02:43 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:02:43 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:03:14 <jeffsayre> Zakim, I am +1.650.450.aabb
16:03:14 <Zakim> +jeffsayre; got it
16:03:33 <melvster> melvster has joined #webid
16:03:46 <bblfish> action+ review open issues and others http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
16:04:04 <bblfish> agenda+ review open issues and others http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
16:04:07 <Zakim> +??P0
16:04:11 <claudiov> claudiov has joined #webid
16:04:13 <melvster> me :)
16:04:19 <bblfish> zakim, who is chair?
16:04:19 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bblfish.
16:04:23 <melvster> zakim, ??P0 is me
16:04:23 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
16:04:29 <bblfish> zakim, bblfish is chair
16:04:29 <Zakim> +chair; got it
16:04:48 <Deiu> me
16:04:53 <Zakim> +??P1
16:05:20 <Deiu> Me me me
16:05:49 <bergi> Zakim, ??P1 is me
16:05:49 <Zakim> +bergi; got it
16:06:03 <bblfish> zakim, Deiu is scribe
16:06:03 <Zakim> +scribe; got it
16:06:23 <bblfish> next agendum
16:08:27 <bblfish> vote for the minutes
16:08:28 <bblfish> +1
16:08:29 <domel> +1
16:08:30 <melvster> +1
16:08:30 <Deiu> +1
16:08:31 <jeffsayre> +1
16:08:33 <bergi> +1
16:08:44 <bblfish> RESOLVED: Minutes approved
16:08:50 <bblfish> next agendum
16:09:04 <bblfish> Do we have anyobdy new?
16:09:13 <bblfish> next agendum
16:09:27 <bblfish> skip agendum
16:09:33 <bblfish> next agendum
16:09:39 <bblfish> close agendum
16:09:42 <bblfish> next agendum
16:09:55 <bblfish> agenda-
16:10:05 <bblfish> agenda-2
16:10:08 <bblfish> next agendum
16:10:45 <bblfish> claudio?
16:11:24 <bblfish> claudiov?
16:11:52 <jeffsayre> Who's on phone?
16:11:52 <bblfish> We have Claudio and we have Stéphane Corlosquet who wanted the meeting earlier
16:12:43 <bblfish> Are people here ok with one hour earlier?
16:12:46 <bblfish> +1
16:12:47 <domel> +1
16:12:50 <Deiu> +1
16:12:51 <jeffsayre> who's on the phone?
16:13:10 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:13:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see chair, scribe, domel, MacTed (muted), jeffsayre, melvster, bergi
16:13:22 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:13:22 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:13:27 <claudiov> +1
16:13:28 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
16:13:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 93243 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MacTed
16:14:02 <MacTed> Zakim, who's on channel?
16:14:02 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, MacTed.
16:14:03 <bblfish> Is anybody not ok one hour earlier?
16:14:07 <MacTed> Zakim, attendees?
16:14:07 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, MacTed.
16:14:13 <MacTed> Zakim, list attendees
16:14:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been domel, +1.781.273.aaaa, +1.650.450.aabb, MacTed, jeffsayre, melvster, chair, bergi, scribe
16:14:33 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is temporarily me
16:14:33 <Zakim> sorry, MacTed, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
16:14:42 <MacTed> I'm fine either time.
16:14:45 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:14:45 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:14:57 <bblfish> RESOLVED: move weekly meetings one hour earlier
16:15:37 <bblfish> action, bblfish to move meetings one hour earlier
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16:15:54 <Deiu> q+
16:16:42 <MacTed> ACTION: bblfish to move meetings one hour earlier
16:16:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Move meetings one hour earlier [on Henry Story - due 2011-05-09].
16:16:51 <bblfish> thanks
16:16:54 <MacTed> :-)
16:17:11 <claudiov> thanks
16:17:25 <Deiu> q-
16:17:42 <bblfish> ACTION: Bblfihs will make clear every two weeks that it is formal
16:17:42 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Bblfihs
16:17:58 <bblfish> RESOLVED: bbllfihs will make clear every two weeks that it is formal
16:18:38 <bblfish> next agendum
16:20:04 <bblfish> important thing is to get to berlin with a really good story for webid, and make as many converts as possible, and get some feedback
16:20:07 <MacTed> ACTION: bblfish will make clear every two weeks that it is formal
16:20:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Will make clear every two weeks that it is formal [on Henry Story - due 2011-05-09].
16:20:39 <Deiu> the idea would be to have several WebID endpoints operation, which we can present to others
16:20:46 <bblfish> who is presenting a paper?
16:20:52 <domel> me
16:21:00 <bblfish> I suppose I will to
16:21:20 <bblfish> is OpenLink having a representative?
16:21:28 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:21:28 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:22:21 <MacTed> RRSAgent, show action items
16:22:21 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-actions.rdf :
16:22:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bblfish to move meetings one hour earlier [1]
16:22:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-irc#T16-16-42
16:22:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bblfihs will make clear every two weeks that it is formal [2]
16:22:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-irc#T16-17-42
16:22:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bblfish will make clear every two weeks that it is formal [3]
16:22:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-irc#T16-20-07
16:22:26 <Deiu> OpenLink will not send a representative
16:22:39 <MacTed> RRSAgent, drop action 2
16:23:20 <domel> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Xs83bNMc5Hb1Eqq_JIpuzQGVCEXWkrKxYarrLfmP3c/edit?hl=pl&authkey=CISb5K8E#
16:24:21 <Deiu> discussing Dom's paper
16:26:37 <bblfish> the reason for Ontologies is in order to communicate with others. 
16:28:39 <bblfish> Use case for ontologies on access control
16:29:24 <Deiu> if Alice accesses Bob's website and it isn't allowed access, who's fault is it? Alice's or Bob's?
16:30:31 <Deiu> people need to be told what are the requirements in order to gain access
16:31:49 <Deiu> there should be a mechanism that would alert users that a specific resource is protected by access control
16:32:34 <Deiu> for example, an image that is protected by access control rules will not be accessible to people outside the scope of those specific rules
16:33:02 <Deiu> users might publish/link something that for them is accessible but for others it is not 
16:36:48 <jeffsayre> Zakim, mute me
16:36:48 <Zakim> jeffsayre should now be muted
16:39:00 <bblfish> which servers do have to do access control
16:39:01 <bblfish> ?
16:39:44 <melvster> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl
16:40:44 <Deiu> Access control should be transparent for the service requesting access 
16:42:25 <Deiu> A service requesting access should not be allowed to see the true access list
16:43:34 <Deiu> How does a new AC ontology compare to WAC *referenced above*
16:44:03 <bblfish> who is has worked on WAC here?
16:44:53 <melvster> ive done a small about or work on WAC, joe presbrey and tim are working with it, i think toby inkster has done some work in perl
16:45:46 <bergi> the ResourceMe proof of concept uses WAC and also some extension for AC on triples
16:46:18 <bblfish> speak to Ian Jacobi, pipian on his AIR 
16:46:23 <bblfish> reasoning engine
16:47:50 <bblfish> POWDER
16:48:39 <bblfish> anything else?
16:49:01 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Pingback
16:50:08 <Zakim> -melvster
16:50:17 <bblfish> q?
16:50:31 <melvster> sorry skype dropped
16:51:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:51:19 <melvster> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:51:19 <Zakim> +melvster; got it
16:54:28 <Deiu> one of the easiest protocols derived from webid can be the Pingback system (referenced above) 
16:54:52 <Deiu> this example can be used during the Berlin social web workshop
16:58:49 <Deiu> http://d-cent.org/fsw2011/
16:59:08 <Deiu> ^ URL for the Berlin workshop
17:01:32 <bblfish> action: bblfish, to find a list of cheap hostels in Berlin 
17:01:32 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bblfish,
17:01:52 <bblfish> action: chair, to find a list of cheap hostels in Berlin 
17:01:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - chair,
17:01:59 <MacTed> it's the comma
17:02:04 <MacTed> action: bblfish to find a list of cheap hostels in Berlin
17:02:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Find a list of cheap hostels in Berlin [on Henry Story - due 2011-05-09].
17:02:23 <jeffsayre> Zakim, unmute me
17:02:23 <Zakim> jeffsayre should no longer be muted
17:02:51 <MacTed> RRSAgent, drop action 4
17:02:55 <MacTed> RRSAgent, drop action 5
17:05:06 <Deiu> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hqxoA70Gz6daGop7ucKwEZtc_HbmQzed9wQBcLq8nyE/edit?hl=en&authkey=CPTf9qIP#
17:11:47 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
17:11:47 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:11:47 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been domel, +1.781.273.aaaa, +1.650.450.aabb, MacTed, jeffsayre, melvster, chair, bergi, scribe
17:11:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:11:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-minutes.html trackbot
17:11:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:11:49 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-actions.rdf :
17:11:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bblfish to move meetings one hour earlier [1]
17:11:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-irc#T16-16-42
17:11:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bblfish will make clear every two weeks that it is formal [3]
17:11:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-irc#T16-20-07
17:11:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bblfish to find a list of cheap hostels in Berlin [6]
17:11:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-irc#T17-02-04
17:11:50 <MacTed> :-)
17:11:51 <Zakim> -melvster
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17:12:39 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-irc
17:12:43 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:12:48 <Zakim> -chair
17:12:56 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:12:58 <Zakim> -scribe
17:13:06 <Zakim> -domel
17:13:07 <Zakim> -bergi
17:13:08 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM has ended
17:13:10 <Zakim> Attendees were domel, +1.781.273.aaaa, +1.650.450.aabb, MacTed, jeffsayre, melvster, chair, bergi, scribe
17:13:14 <Deiu> publish minutes too?
17:13:31 <bblfish> ah its done
17:13:34 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-minutes.html
17:13:42 <bblfish> how did you do that?
17:13:44 <melvster> thanks all
17:13:47 <melvster> melvster has left #webid
17:14:28 <Deiu> make logs public
17:14:35 <Deiu> I think that was it
17:15:22 <bblfish> I am sure I had tried that before
17:15:29 <MacTed> it's a two-step
17:15:35 <bblfish> ah?
17:15:58 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make minutes public
17:15:58 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', MacTed.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:16:02 <bblfish> ah you had to reinveite rrsagent
17:16:04 <MacTed> double-bah.
17:16:20 <MacTed> the trackbot told RRSAgent to draft minutes
17:16:25 <MacTed> then I told RRSAgent to make them public
17:16:43 <Deiu> RRSAgent, publish minutes
17:16:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/05/02-webid-minutes.html Deiu
17:16:47 <MacTed> these can be done earlier (with very partial minutes) and then they're already public in the end
17:16:48 <bblfish> I suppose in previous cases rrsagent left before I could make them publick
17:17:06 <bblfish> btw, be careful not to overwrite the minutes!
17:17:11 <bblfish> thanks all
17:17:17 <MacTed> the bots are theoretically simple to use, but I don't think there's a good "just do these commands" doc
17:17:24 <Deiu> it got appended
17:17:27 <MacTed> each bot is separately doc'ed
17:17:27 <Deiu> hmm
17:17:49 <MacTed> there are ways to get them cleaned up, but I don't know those mysteries
17:17:54 <MacTed> RRSAgent, bye
17:17:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items