IRC log of html-a11y on 2011-04-14

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 14 April 2011
14:57:49 [oedipus]
zakim, this is 2119
14:57:49 [Zakim]
oedipus, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be 2119".
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
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zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, oedipus; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:58:18 [richardschwerdtfe]
I am dialed in but here nobody
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zakim, aaaa is JF
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+JF; got it
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+??P33
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zakim, ??P33 is janina
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+janina; got it
14:59:29 [janina]
zakim, ??P33 is Janina
14:59:30 [Zakim]
I already had ??P33 as janina, janina
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+??P36
14:59:45 [mranon]
zakim, ??P36 is me
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+mranon; got it
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+??P29
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chair: Janina_Sajka
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Zakim, ??P29 is me
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+MikeSmith; got it
15:00:31 [mranon]
zakim, mute me
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mranon should now be muted
15:00:39 [oedipus]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Apr/0111.html
15:01:09 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:01:22 [janina]
Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
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Chair: Janina_Sajka
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agenda: this
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agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
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agenda+ Text Descriptions Subteam Organization
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agenda+ Subteam Reports: Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Media; Bug Triage
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agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
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agenda+ Identify Scribe for 21 April
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agenda+ be done
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15:02:22 [oedipus]
zakim, who is here?
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+Michael_Cooper
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On the phone I see Rich, JF, Gregory_Rosmaita, janina, mranon (muted), MikeSmith, Michael_Cooper
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+Judy
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On IRC I see judy, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, mranon, JF, Joshue, MichaelC_ARN, davidb, MikeSmith, oedipus, eric_carlson, [tm], trackbot
15:02:49 [oedipus]
zakim, pick a victim
15:02:56 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, mute me
15:03:00 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose janina
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+??P9
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MikeSmith should now be muted
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scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
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scribenick: oedipus
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:05:00 [oedipus]
zakim, close agendum 1
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agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:05:03 [Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Text Descriptions Subteam Organization [from janina]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Text Descriptions Subteam Organization" taken up [from janina]
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+John_Foliot
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JS: began discussion last week -- want to clarify what meant by text descriptions -- @summary, @longdesc, @poster, @alt, Figure/Figcaption, "discoverable metadata"
15:06:03 [oedipus]
JS: subteam will make very specific recommendations on each topic
15:06:45 [oedipus]
JS: aim is to not monopolize the TF call time -- been successful assigning areas of concern to TF for action
15:06:47 [Joshue]
I am on another call at the moment but will track IRC.
15:07:04 [oedipus]
JS: HTML5 going into last call -- need to ensure covers a11y as well as possible, and next steps
15:07:21 [oedipus]
JS: appropriate name? time? scope?
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q?
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JF: talking about "discoverable metadata" -- data or metadata about an element that is given to the user on request -- @longdesc poster child for this -- vaule of longdesc not given until user requests
15:08:41 [oedipus]
goes for @describedby as well as @longdesc -- discoverable
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JF: like term "discoverable metadata"
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plus 1
15:09:01 [MichaelC_ARN]
q+
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q?
15:09:37 [judy]
q+
15:09:45 [oedipus]
JS: like to not do that for a particular reason -- no one opposes concept of discoverable metadata -- hard to see how is a11y issue per se
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q+
15:09:50 [judy]
zakim, who's here?
15:09:50 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Rich, John_Foliot, Gregory_Rosmaita, janina, mranon (muted), MikeSmith (muted), Michael_Cooper, Judy, Steve_Faulkner, Eric_Carlson
15:09:53 [Zakim]
On IRC I see eric_carlson_, Stevef, judy, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, mranon, JF, Joshue, MichaelC_ARN, davidb, MikeSmith, oedipus, eric_carlson, [tm], trackbot
15:10:34 [oedipus]
JS: make discoverable, end of story -- doesn't need to be identified only as an a11y issue -- concerned may be red herring to pull us off topic -- agree that is what we are talking about -- metadata and data that is universally discoverable
15:11:00 [janina]
q?
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ack m
15:11:28 [oedipus]
MC: name suggestions drawn from WCAG -- "text alternatives" (WCAG req) -- if more generic, "fallback content" (broader, but about alternatives), if broader, "programmatically determined accessible content"
15:12:02 [oedipus]
JB: ditto JS' concerns about "discoverable metadata" -- interested in MC's suggestions
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ack ju
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JB: maybe just go with text alternates
15:12:54 [oedipus]
GJR: not "fallback content" -- text equivalents, not fallback -- fallback for image is icon denoting image should be here
15:13:03 [JF]
+1
15:13:11 [mranon]
+1
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+q
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ack oe
15:14:11 [janina]
q?
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ack j
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GJR: don't object to text alternatives
15:14:39 [oedipus]
JF: @summary for TABLE -- no image, so no fallback -- need to keep as broad as possible
15:14:42 [oedipus]
q?
15:15:42 [oedipus]
JF: subteam discussed last week was related to chairs' decision on @summary for TABLE -- this is "discoverable metadata" -- provided by author to aid those who need additional aid
15:15:49 [Joshue]
+q to ask if Hixies latest outburst on how little he thinks of W3C process calls into question some of the decisions make regarding a11y?
15:15:51 [janina]
q?
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-q
15:16:30 [oedipus]
JF: push-and-pull -- if basic HTML pushed from client to renderers -- if need more info, can pull it using mechanisms provided (@summary @longdesc) fits larger model -- additinoal content provided by authors for a wide variety of users, not just screen reader users
15:16:53 [Zakim]
+Cynthia_Shelly
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-Michael_Cooper
15:17:05 [judy]
q+
15:17:06 [oedipus]
JF: what is scope/goal of subteam?
15:17:10 [MikeSmith]
q?
15:17:10 [judy]
q?
15:17:27 [janina]
ack j
15:17:28 [oedipus]
JS: not to make discoverable, but to ensure that the necessary mechanisms needed exist
15:19:13 [oedipus]
JB: suggested sub-group on small cluster of topics because: 1) pattern of rejection of a11y feature retention proposals; 2) HTML5 moving target needs to move along with a11y support intact as w3c document; 3) lot of work, need unified stable proposals to take advantage of normal process for redress of a feature bing depreceated/removed without equal or superior mechanism
15:19:27 [oedipus]
JB: last week question was on consensus on formal objection
15:19:55 [oedipus]
JB: some thought might be futile, some thought not highest priority, some thought could be handled by expanding ARIA's scope
15:20:12 [oedipus]
JB: perhaps there is an objection the group would want to present --
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q?
15:20:18 [oedipus]
q+
15:21:14 [oedipus]
JB: expedited appeal -- wouldn't be convenient for chairs, may not be smothest way to go but not yet having that conversation
15:21:30 [oedipus]
JB: subgroup setting could be helpful to make process options available and timeframes
15:21:43 [JF]
+q
15:21:48 [janina]
q?
15:21:54 [oedipus]
JB: reaffirm previous technical consensus or clarifying position to restore a11y support
15:22:14 [oedipus]
JB: idea--move quickly, gather ideas, process constructively
15:22:22 [oedipus]
JOC: Hixies latest outburst on how little he thinks of W3C process calls into question some of the decisions make regarding a11y?
15:22:39 [Zakim]
+Michael_Cooper
15:22:39 [MikeSmith]
q?
15:22:45 [MikeSmith]
ack oedipus
15:23:09 [judy]
q+
15:23:57 [oedipus]
JF: mentioned technical barriers/issues around reinstation of a11y features -- there are NO technical issues -- lack of support in GUI environment
15:24:31 [oedipus]
JB: don't believe there are technical barriers to a11y -- there are misconceptions though that need to be dispelled point-by-point
15:24:57 [oedipus]
JB: fielded many complaints about chairs' decisions on a11y -- need to avail ourselves of process provided by chairs
15:25:22 [oedipus]
JF: formal objection -- is goal to work towards very robust FO that addresses all of these issues?
15:25:32 [oedipus]
JB: don't want to presupose groups' consensus
15:25:48 [oedipus]
JB: did very quick poll last week -- TF divided -- would like to probe that
15:26:00 [oedipus]
JB: wonder why not more FOs being generated from TF
15:26:46 [oedipus]
JB: restore4a11y proposal by GJR could be useful form of objection to have on table -- have to look carefully at how process is expected to happen at FO stage to see if something useful there
15:27:14 [oedipus]
GJR: change proposal, not FO
15:27:14 [janina]
q?
15:28:01 [judy]
ack judy
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ack JF
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ack cyn
15:28:38 [judy]
q+
15:28:47 [oedipus]
CS: couple of issues: 1) why no FO? discussions with HTML WG chairs, said FOs are for post-LC processing
15:28:56 [oedipus]
JB: that's not the whole picture
15:29:10 [oedipus]
CS: 2) decisions just came down in last couple of weeks --
15:29:50 [Zakim]
-MikeSmith
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+q
15:29:59 [oedipus]
CS: 3) seems as if there is a whole category of things being rejected -- nexus "extra work for developers" and "hidden metadata" -- our approach is to push for native semantics, and to look at ARIA as extra work added on for devs/authors
15:30:17 [janina]
q?
15:30:19 [oedipus]
CS: A11y API stuff or custom engineering best handled with cross-cutting technology such as ARIA
15:30:23 [Zakim]
+??P22
15:30:40 [oedipus]
CS: devs already implementing HTML5 -- for some, can plug holes perhaps with ARIA
15:30:44 [oedipus]
q?
15:30:53 [oedipus]
JB: hope CS signs up for subgroup
15:31:07 [oedipus]
CS: as long as meetings don't start at 7am PT
15:31:15 [oedipus]
JB: LauraC volunteered via email
15:31:44 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, mute me
15:31:44 [Zakim]
sorry, MikeSmith, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:31:55 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, ??P22 is me
15:31:55 [Zakim]
+MikeSmith; got it
15:31:57 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, mute me
15:31:57 [Zakim]
MikeSmith was already muted, MikeSmith
15:31:58 [oedipus]
JB: timing issue with regard FO --
15:32:59 [oedipus]
JB: timing distinction -- FOs not taken up until CR stage, but an important exception -- any FO can be appealed to director, can be appeal for expedited review -- can be considered nearly immediately --
15:33:14 [oedipus]
JB: not convenient or welcome, but if need to address now, then need to address now
15:33:22 [oedipus]
JB: surprised at what i am hearing
15:33:34 [judy]
s/not taken up/not normally taken up/
15:33:58 [oedipus]
JS: not on table at time of @longdesc conversation
15:34:27 [oedipus]
JB: hope to attend TF meetings regularly to keep up on strategy and getting native accessibility in addition to what is added via ARIA
15:34:31 [janina]
q?
15:34:36 [janina]
ack ju
15:34:50 [oedipus]
JB: question of timing: deprecation, rather than removal, then take time to find how to do in truly corss-disability way
15:35:20 [Stevef]
q+
15:35:20 [oedipus]
JB: can flesh out these questions in subgroup -- need to coalesce around responses that keep a11y in W3C's flagship publication
15:35:57 [oedipus]
JF: personally, have problem saying: "here is aria stuff for people using AT" -- that is wrong and wrong-headed -- real reservations saying "catch the rest with ARIA"
15:36:04 [oedipus]
ack JF
15:36:06 [richardschwerdtfe]
q+
15:36:13 [janina]
q?
15:36:21 [janina]
ack st
15:36:49 [oedipus]
SF: 1 point in regards what judy said about deprecate not remove -- that would involve reintroducing concept of deprecated
15:36:55 [Joshue]
+1 to GJR, ARIA shouldn't be just about users of AT and then HTML 5 for everyone else, I think this kind of fork is an unfortunatel by product of W3C process and HTML 5 politics.
15:36:57 [oedipus]
JS: have "deprecated but conforming"
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plus 1 to Joshue's IRC comments
15:37:15 [janina]
q?
15:37:17 [Joshue]
s/unfortunatel/unfortunate
15:37:33 [oedipus]
SF: this terminology is not part of HTML5
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ack cyn
15:37:58 [Zakim]
-Michael_Cooper
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CS: obsolete but conforming is a strange term but makes sense
15:38:18 [oedipus]
CS: obsolete versus obsolete but conforming
15:38:56 [oedipus]
CS: native semantics: there are diff ways to think about what native semantics mean -- i mean primarily things that are part of what devs are doing anyway -- name from text on button-- additional stuff devs have to add
15:39:06 [oedipus]
CS: slightly diff way of drawing the line
15:39:08 [Zakim]
+??P17
15:39:13 [oedipus]
ack rich
15:40:30 [oedipus]
RS: ARIA not a bridging technology -- things like standard widgets have to be made fully interoperable with AT without addding ARIA -- for things such as @summary @title -- ARIA meant to be cross-cutting tech to support AT -- way to apply a11y semantics for SVG and CANVAS and HTML
15:40:45 [oedipus]
RS: canvas used to be separate from HTML
15:41:29 [oedipus]
RS: there are advantages to having declarative API consistent across elements that can be controlled by AT -- not a bridging tech, but an a11y API feature that is declariative
15:41:39 [oedipus]
RS: 80% less work to do same thing on desktop apps
15:41:41 [judy]
q+
15:42:05 [oedipus]
JS: anyone can't live with name "text alternatives" for subteam to keep in sync with WCAG
15:42:47 [oedipus]
JB: could approve general aim of subgroup, put out provisional title, figure out membership, and get started
15:43:00 [oedipus]
JB: subgroup can figure out naming issue
15:43:04 [oedipus]
JS: time for meeting?
15:43:16 [richardschwerdtfe]
I wish that were true John
15:43:28 [oedipus]
JB: possible to have meeting at us eastern 11:30 am to 1 pm
15:43:44 [richardschwerdtfe]
... personal experiences
15:43:54 [oedipus]
JB: Laura will be able to participate to a larger degree at that time
15:44:00 [oedipus]
JS: works for me
15:44:27 [Joshue]
+q is there going to be a text @alt group?
15:44:32 [Joshue]
-q
15:44:48 [oedipus]
CS: not on regular basis
15:44:56 [oedipus]
GJR: immediately follows ARIA caucus
15:45:00 [oedipus]
RS: could do most of time
15:45:01 [Zakim]
-MikeSmith
15:45:08 [JF]
While not a great morning person, I can work with Monday 11:30 AM Eastern
15:45:10 [oedipus]
SF: could make part of it
15:45:17 [oedipus]
GJR: can do entire meeting
15:45:24 [oedipus]
JF: early, but can attend
15:45:43 [Zakim]
+??P22
15:45:47 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, ??P22 is me
15:45:47 [Zakim]
+MikeSmith; got it
15:45:49 [MikeSmith]
Zakim, mute me
15:45:49 [Zakim]
MikeSmith should now be muted
15:45:56 [mranon]
zakim, unmute me
15:45:56 [Zakim]
mranon should no longer be muted
15:45:58 [oedipus]
JB: like this to be a provisional time and date -- Monday, April 17 at 11:30 AM Boston time for 90 minutes
15:46:12 [Joshue]
I can try also, depending on impending child.
15:46:20 [oedipus]
MR: for me not good time -- perhaps can get colleague to join, but she isn't part of TF
15:46:35 [oedipus]
JB: JS, MC and MS can talk to you about getting person plugged in
15:46:40 [oedipus]
MR: thanks will follow up
15:47:00 [oedipus]
MC: want to be involved but don't need another meeting
15:47:04 [oedipus]
JB: is time ok?
15:47:08 [oedipus]
MC: yes
15:47:13 [oedipus]
JB: any other objections?
15:47:43 [JF]
+1 to having Judy 's arm twisted <grin>
15:48:03 [oedipus]
proposed RESOLUTION: first "text alternatives" subgroup meeting will be held on 17 April 2011 at 11:30 am Boston time for 90 minutes under Judy's aegis
15:48:55 [oedipus]
proposed RESOLUTION: first "text alternatives" subgroup meeting will be held on Monday, 18 April 2011 at 11:30 am Boston time for 90 minutes under Judy's aegis
15:49:18 [oedipus]
q?
15:49:22 [oedipus]
ack jud
15:50:20 [oedipus]
JB: do intend to try to make sure process options are clear
15:50:58 [oedipus]
JB: intend to ensure have good consensus-based discussion with clear understanding of all of the process issues
15:51:26 [oedipus]
proposed RESOLUTION: first "text alternatives" subgroup meeting will be held on Monday, 18 April 2011 at 11:30 am Boston time for 90 minutes under Judy's aegis
15:51:54 [JF]
+1 to that resolution
15:51:57 [oedipus]
RESOLUTION: first "text alternatives" subgroup meeting will be held on Monday, 18 April 2011 at 11:30 am Boston time for 90 minutes under Judy's aegis
15:52:09 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:52:21 [oedipus]
RS: use what channel?
15:53:01 [oedipus]
JB & JS: will announce the channel and other meeting info
15:53:05 [oedipus]
TOPIC: Canvas
15:53:17 [richardschwerdtfe]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0394.html
15:53:21 [oedipus]
RS: didn't seem as if the chairs didn't really process all of my comments
15:53:36 [oedipus]
RS: detailed problems that chairs overlook in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0394.html
15:54:11 [oedipus]
RS: custom FocusRing can cause function to drop out -- author can manually draw focus ring, but that won't be a call to drive the focus ring after it ocurs
15:54:17 [oedipus]
RS: highlighted in list of bugs
15:55:08 [oedipus]
RS: x,y coordinate provided with intention to drive magnifier as caret moves, but currently tied to focus ring drawing -- functions don't match -- chairs reviewed -- we provided info on how to drive magnifier
15:55:10 [oedipus]
q+
15:55:23 [oedipus]
RS: why shouldn't author be able to override focus ring setting user has
15:55:31 [oedipus]
RS: details provided in cited email
15:55:59 [oedipus]
RS: not considered: we met with magnifier devs to solve the problems for magnification -- chairs didn't recognize this
15:56:44 [oedipus]
RS: put proposal in -- if continues to be a problem will probably do formal objection -- want to give chairs chance to re-examine data
15:57:03 [oedipus]
RS: hixie asked what to do - my response is don't do anything -- completely broken as-is
15:57:07 [oedipus]
q?
15:57:37 [oedipus]
JS: decision takes out ability to support magnifiers -- you are asking them to reconsider?
15:57:50 [oedipus]
RS: chairs' decision was leave function as is, which breaks magnification
15:57:53 [oedipus]
q?
15:57:59 [mranon]
zakim, unmute me
15:57:59 [Zakim]
mranon was not muted, mranon
15:58:09 [mranon]
zakim, mute me
15:58:09 [Zakim]
mranon should now be muted
15:58:35 [oedipus]
RS: increases burden on author and still breaks magnification
15:58:56 [oedipus]
RS: on windows, doing direct draw -- need function to capture graphics calls to display blinking cursor
15:59:24 [oedipus]
RS: bug need to address: baseline for test metrics -- multiple baselines in canvas spec == hjave to specify which baseline
15:59:26 [oedipus]
q+
15:59:52 [judy]
q+
15:59:59 [oedipus]
JS: task force might want to be signatory of Richs' FO
16:01:00 [oedipus]
GJR: sees a pattern of rejection
16:01:09 [oedipus]
JS: RS clarification useful
16:01:20 [oedipus]
s/JS: RS/JB: RS/
16:01:29 [oedipus]
JB: point is to get all info into 1 FO
16:02:01 [Zakim]
-Michael_Cooper
16:02:32 [oedipus]
JS: volunteer to scribe next week?
16:02:58 [oedipus]
JS: i and marco won't be on call next week, MikeSmith will chair next week's TF meeting
16:03:34 [MikeSmith]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
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-Steve_Faulkner
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-Gregory_Rosmaita
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-Judy
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-janina
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-Rich
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16:04:22 [oedipus]
zakim, please part
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Rich, +1.650.468.aaaa, Gregory_Rosmaita, janina, mranon, MikeSmith, Michael_Cooper, Judy, Steve_Faulkner, Eric_Carlson, John_Foliot,
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
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present- +1.650.468.aaaa
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
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regrets: Laura_Carlson,Silvia_Pfieffer,Léonie_Watson
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:07:23 [MikeSmith]
i/LauraC volunteered via email/Topic: Timing/
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
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no
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I was just adding some sub-topics
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yeah
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16:08:47 [MikeSmith]
oedipus: OK, but please feel free to add any more where it seems like they might be needed
16:09:06 [MikeSmith]
the discussion covered quite a few topics
16:17:53 [oedipus]
s/TOPIC: Timing/TOPIC: Text Alternatives Subgroup Timeline & Scope/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
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i/TOPIC: Text ALternatives Subgroup Timeline and Scope Discussion/JB: LauraC/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
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i/JB: LauraC/TOPIC: Text ALternatives Subgroup Timeline and Scope Discussion/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
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s/no//
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s/I was just adding some sub-topics//
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s/yeah//
16:20:56 [oedipus]
s/oedipus: OK, but please feel free to add any more where it seems like they might be needed//
16:21:09 [oedipus]
s/the discussion covered quite a few topics//
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:21:53 [oedipus]
i/JB: LauraC volunteered via email/TOPIC: Text Alternatives Subgroup Timeline and Scope Discussion/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
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I see no action items