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15:04:53 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
15:04:53 <trackbot> Date: 04 April 2011
15:05:47 <bblfish> doodle: http://doodle.com/txugsrtpe2tp9ted
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15:08:28 <bblfish> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-webid/2011Apr/0006.html
15:09:32 <pchampin> topic: last minutes approval
15:09:38 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
15:09:42 <jeffsayre> +1
15:09:44 <bblfish> minutes here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-webid/2011Mar/0096.html
15:09:47 <bblfish> +1
15:10:00 <jeffsayre> Is that Google +1?
15:10:11 <Zakim> +??P32
15:10:25 <pchampin> RESOLUTION: minutes approved
15:10:53 <pchampin> topic: deliverables
15:11:20 <pchampin> bblfish: didn't have time to work on the spec yet
15:11:29 <pchampin> ... there has been some work on the IRC channel about test cases
15:11:44 <pchampin> ... I think every implementation of webid should have a page
15:11:54 <pchampin> ... where people can test their certificate,
15:12:14 <pchampin> ... with human readable information about the outcome,
15:12:31 <pchampin> ... but also machine readable data, to build reports.
15:12:57 <jeffsayre> q+
15:13:01 <pchampin> ... A test agent could then create a webid in RDFa (to test conneg)
15:13:10 <pchampin> ... and crowl different services to test them.
15:13:43 <bblfish> Deiu?
15:14:03 <pchampin> jeffsayre: should we be monitoring the IRC in addition to the public mailing list
15:14:06 <pchampin> ... ?
15:14:11 <Deiu> bblfish, yeah, I'm here
15:14:18 <bblfish> are you on teleconf?
15:14:38 <Deiu> no, sorry (missing a telephone in the office right now)
15:14:43 <pchampin> bblfish: there has been more activity on the IRC lately
15:14:50 <bblfish> you can join here: +1-617-761-6200
15:14:59 <bblfish> ah thre is a SIP client you can use
15:15:03 <bblfish> do you have sip
15:15:06 <bblfish> ?
15:15:16 <Deiu> nope (no headset/mic anyway)
15:15:32 <pchampin> q+ about IRC vs. email
15:15:39 <Deiu> (totally got carried away and forgot about the conference) :(
15:15:48 <pchampin> q+ to ask about IRC vs. email
15:16:18 <Zakim> +??P24
15:16:19 <pchampin> bbfish: we have now settled the political issues, should now focus on more technical issues
15:16:23 <webr3> Zakim, i am ??P24
15:16:23 <Zakim> +webr3; got it
15:16:51 <pchampin> ... I have more problems than expected with Clerezza, but test cases are important.
15:17:02 <jeffsayre> +1
15:17:26 <pchampin> ... We need to work on the ontology to allow to build test reports.
15:18:05 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/
15:18:24 <pchampin> topic: report for identity in the browser
15:18:36 <webr3>  by April 22nd 2011
15:18:50 <pchampin> bblfish: we should submit a position paper at the identity-ws (URI above)
15:19:03 <pchampin> ... deadline is april 22nd
15:19:15 <pchampin> ... everyone in the group may of course submit something on their own behalf,
15:19:31 <pchampin> ... but as a group we could make a submission as well.
15:19:47 <pchampin> ... Harry suggested we should not put to much semweb in it.
15:20:05 <pchampin> ... Buzzword compliant identity system:
15:20:21 <pchampin> ... works in current browser or require minimal changes,
15:20:32 <pchampin> is secure
15:20:52 <pchampin> s/is secure/... is secure/
15:21:05 <webr3> re demo's: data.fm is looking pretty awesome of late
15:21:27 <pchampin> ... then show how webid complies with those criteria
15:22:13 <bblfish> 4 sections:
15:22:13 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
15:22:22 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily m
15:22:22 <Zakim> +m; got it
15:22:28 <bblfish> 1. Buzzword compliant description
15:22:31 <MacTed> Zakim, m is temporarily me
15:22:31 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
15:22:34 <bblfish> 2. WebID description
15:22:44 <pchampin> ... We need to show what are the problems with the browsers.
15:22:45 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:22:45 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:23:07 <bblfish> 3. Demo
15:23:07 <bblfish> 4. Browser issues and improvements
15:23:31 <claudio> zakim, mute me
15:23:31 <Zakim> sorry, claudio, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:23:45 <pchampin> pchampin: +1 to the proposed plan
15:24:03 <webr3> "who"? can work on it?
15:25:11 <bblfish> I'll work in on it
15:25:12 <webr3> ""ACTION, name to etc""
15:26:08 <bblfish> ACTION, jeffsayre position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/ 
15:26:21 <pchampin> ACTION: jeffsayre to start a position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/
15:26:21 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre
15:27:00 <webr3> ACTION: jeff to start a position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/
15:27:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-23 - Start a position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/ [on Jeff Sayre - due 2011-04-11].
15:28:55 <bblfish> ACTION: bblfish, follow up on Berlin conference
15:28:55 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bblfish,
15:29:41 <webr3> ACTION: henry follow up on Berlin conference
15:29:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Follow up on Berlin conference [on Henry Story - due 2011-04-11].
15:29:58 <gaedke> URL for Berlin?
15:30:44 <bblfish> http://d-cent.org/fsw2011/
15:33:59 <pchampin> gaedke: will probably be in Berlin.
15:34:01 <pchampin> ... my advice for the workshop would be to stick to presenting webid
15:35:45 <pchampin> ... (some project) make a lot of work related to identity
15:36:08 <pchampin> ... not only on the tech side, but also political
15:36:51 <pchampin> s/(some project)/PrimeLife, which is organizing the workshop,/
15:38:54 <bblfish> And PrimeLife uses Elgg
15:38:57 <pchampin> ... PrimeLife is a FP7 big project: http://www.primelife.eu/
15:39:36 <pchampin> q?
15:39:49 <bblfish> q?
15:41:05 <pchampin> pchampin: coming back to the IRC vs. email discussion, I think the mailing list has the advantage of being asynchronous and archived
15:41:22 <pchampin> ... so it would be nice to have a summary on the mailing list whenever an important discussion happens on the IRC
15:41:51 <webr3> +1
15:41:54 <bblfish> +1
15:42:24 <pchampin> bblfish: it would be nice to have an IRC logger
15:42:47 <jeffsayre> +1
15:42:55 <webr3> http://www.dajobe.org/software/logger/
15:43:23 <pchampin> pchampin: I now that some service used to do that
15:43:26 <Zakim> - +39.011.228.aabb
15:43:45 <webr3> ACTION nathan to find out about logging on w3 irc servers and organize something
15:43:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-25 - Find out about logging on w3 irc servers and organize something [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-04-11].
15:43:49 <pchampin> ... but I was more suggesting that someone involved in the discussion wrote a summary for the sake of others
15:43:55 <pchampin> q-
15:44:21 <jeffsayre> Really? I did not receive notice.
15:44:35 <webr3> Next Federated Social Web Telecon Friday April 8th 15:00 UTC
15:44:52 <jeffsayre> Did something go out via the mailing list?
15:44:59 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/mid/302a810b657346da3e3d170b3c708a6e.squirrel@webmail-mit.w3.org
15:45:07 <gaedke> zakim, who's here?
15:45:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.574.277.aaaa, ??P10, ??P19, [IPcaller], ??P27, ??P32, webr3, MacTed (muted)
15:45:29 <Zakim> -MacTed
15:45:50 <jeffsayre> webr3: Hum. I do not recall receiving it.
15:46:13 <pchampin> topic: open actions
15:46:16 <pchampin> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
15:46:34 <webr3> jeffsayre: was sent on 03/04/2011 17:49 to the group list, should check your subscribed? (I normally do a manual subscribe int he normal fashion to ensure)
15:47:33 <pchampin> action-16: bblfish has been talking to them
15:47:33 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Look into us joining Identity Commons notes added
15:47:37 <jeffsayre> q+
15:48:19 <pchampin> bblfish: anybody has progressed on the social web XG stories?
15:48:27 <webr3> ACTION 20?
15:48:27 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
15:48:31 <webr3> ACTION-20?
15:48:31 <trackbot> ACTION-20 -- Nathan Rixham to find out how to set actions to be default of 2 weeks -- due 2011-03-14 -- OPEN
15:48:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/20
15:48:33 <pchampin> jeff: have started, will continue next week
15:49:29 <jeffsayre> pchampin: That is fine. :)
15:50:00 <pchampin> topic: ontology
15:50:08 <bblfish> foaf:identity to foaf:publicKey
15:50:22 <bblfish> :me foaf:publicKey id1, id2, id3.
15:50:53 <pchampin> s/foaf:publicKey/cert:publicKey/g
15:50:59 <bblfish> pk1 cert:publicKey id1 .
15:50:59 <bblfish> pk2 cert:publicKey id1 .
15:50:59 <bblfish> pk3 cert:publicKey id1 .
15:51:23 <bblfish> (my mistake above using foaf)
15:52:31 <pchampin> bblfish: the issue of direction of the property has already be raised;
15:52:51 <pchampin> ... may be it should be the opposite (person -> public key)
15:53:09 <pchampin> ... furthermore, this would be more natural as the pk is almost a literal
15:53:15 <webr3> can we have a webid: ontology
15:53:33 <pchampin> ... (it is identified by two literals)
15:54:01 <pchampin> Anybody would have a problem with that?
15:54:16 <pchampin> pchampin: no problem with that for me
15:54:36 <pchampin> bblfish: how many people here have an implementation?
15:54:38 <webr3> I have a couple, none released yet (in node.js and php)
15:54:39 <pchampin> ... I have one
15:55:03 <bblfish> webr3, what was the discussion with danbri?
15:55:33 <jeffsayre> pchampin: +1 on Node
15:56:11 <pchampin> bblfish: Another issue is about namespaces
15:56:35 <pchampin> ... using two namespaces is somewhat strange
15:57:06 <gaedke> I think it is a good thing 
15:57:12 <mike> yes
15:57:13 <gaedke> everyone deeply thinking
15:57:13 <pchampin> pchampin: +1
15:58:00 <webr3> q+ to discuss ACTION-20 quickly
15:58:34 <jeffsayre> q-
15:59:06 <webr3> close ACTION-20
15:59:06 <trackbot> ACTION-20 Find out how to set actions to be default of 2 weeks closed
15:59:12 <pchampin> ACTION-20: web3r discussed that with (knowledgeabl people), they say it is not possible for the moment
15:59:12 <trackbot> ACTION-20 Find out how to set actions to be default of 2 weeks notes added
15:59:34 <bblfish> http://doodle.com/txugsrtpe2tp9ted
15:59:36 <jeffsayre> Wife's Birthday on April 11
16:00:17 <webr3> s/(knowledgeabl people)/Dominique Hazael-Massieux (Tracker software author)/
16:01:43 <webr3> "at this time, on irc"
16:01:57 <webr3> is it not bi-weekly?
16:02:55 <webr3> q+
16:03:11 <pchampin> bblfish: to webr3: we are thinking on making the telecon weekly
16:04:29 <gaedke> do we do the writing on google docs or the like?
16:04:46 <jeffsayre> +1
16:05:18 <jeffsayre> EtherPad is more freeform, not too structured
16:05:56 <jeffsayre> yes, I'll ping IRC
16:06:46 <jeffsayre> webr3: :) Ideadump
16:07:06 <jeffsayre> +1
16:07:08 <bblfish> trackbot, end meeting
16:07:08 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:07:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.574.277.aaaa, +39.011.228.aabb, [IPcaller], webr3, MacTed
16:07:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:07:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/04-webid-minutes.html trackbot
16:07:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:07:10 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/04-webid-actions.rdf :
16:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeffsayre to start a position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/ [1]
16:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/04-webid-irc#T15-26-21
16:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeff to start a position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/ [2]
16:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/04-webid-irc#T15-27-00
16:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: bblfish, follow up on Berlin conference [3]
16:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/04-webid-irc#T15-28-55
16:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: henry follow up on Berlin conference [4]
16:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/04-webid-irc#T15-29-41