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15:52:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
15:52:14 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:52:14 <trackbot> Date: 29 March 2011
15:52:23 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Mar/0137.html
15:52:28 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
15:52:34 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:52:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:52:40 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:52:57 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ivan
15:53:06 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Richard
15:53:15 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Nuno
15:53:25 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Percy
15:53:28 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:53:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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15:59:09 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
15:59:16 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
15:59:26 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
15:59:52 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:59:52 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:59:54 <Zakim> +EricP
15:59:58 <Zakim> + +49.133.6.aaaa
16:00:18 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
16:00:24 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
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16:01:04 <Zakim> +dmcneil
16:01:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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16:01:34 <mhausenblas> present+ Dave
16:01:35 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
16:01:43 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
16:01:50 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas, EricP, +49.133.6.aaaa, dmcneil, Ashok_Malhotra
16:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see dmcneil, juansequeda, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, iv_an_ru, mhausenblas, LeeF, betehess, trackbot, ericP
16:01:59 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is boris 
16:01:59 <Zakim> +boris; got it
16:02:01 <Ashok> chair:  Michael
16:02:21 <Ashok> meeting:  RDB2RDF
16:02:24 <mhausenblas> scribenick: Ashok 
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16:02:31 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:02:49 <Ashok> regrets:  Ivan, Percy, Nuno
16:03:19 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:03:49 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Richard
16:04:01 <Ashok> regrets+: Richard
16:04:19 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Mar/0137.html
16:04:24 <Zakim> +Souri_
16:04:36 <mhausenblas> present+ Souri
16:04:42 <Zakim> + +1.562.249.aabb
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16:04:54 <mhausenblas> Zakim, Marcelo
16:04:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Marcelo', mhausenblas
16:04:55 <ericP> regrets+ Alexandre
16:05:01 <Zakim> +Seema
16:05:04 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is Marcelo
16:05:04 <Zakim> +Marcelo; got it
16:05:10 <mhausenblas> present+ Marcelo
16:05:11 <ericP> (meeting with validator folks)
16:05:21 <mhausenblas> present+ Seema
16:05:40 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:05:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhausenblas, EricP, boris, dmcneil, Ashok_Malhotra, Souri_, Marcelo, Seema
16:05:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, Seema, dmcneil, juansequeda, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, MacTed, iv_an_ru, mhausenblas, LeeF, betehess, trackbot, ericP
16:06:01 <Ashok> Topic:   1. Admin  + PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/03/22-rdb2rdf-minutes.html 
16:06:23 <boris> I also sent regrets
16:06:27 <Ashok> Michael:  I did send regrets
16:06:33 <mhausenblas> +1
16:07:16 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Minutes approved with additional regrets as above
16:07:39 <boris> http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es/projects/rdb2rdf/RDB2RDFTestCases.pdf
16:07:50 <Ashok> Topic: Test Cases
16:08:21 <Ashok> Test case slides:  http://oegdev.dia.fi.upm.es/projects/rdb2rdf/RDB2RDFTestCases.pdf
16:08:52 <Ashok> Boris:  Summary of Test Cases  and next steps
16:09:38 <Ashok> Boris:  Discusses  organization of Test Cases
16:10:46 <dmcneil> +q
16:10:56 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
16:11:08 <Ashok> ... all test cases were accepted
16:11:57 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/
16:12:31 <Ashok> Michael:  Asks about capturing results of tests
16:13:05 <Ashok> Eric:  SPARQL tests use EARL
16:13:27 <Ashok> Michael:  Can we use for our tests
16:13:44 <Zakim> + +575737aacc
16:13:49 <juansequeda> Zakim, aacc is me
16:13:49 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
16:14:05 <dmcneil> This is a tangent, but are we not supposed to pronounce R2RML as "R-2-RML"?
16:14:05 <Ashok> present+: Juan
16:14:34 <Ashok> +1 to David
16:14:55 <ericP> -> EARL Reports for SPARQL http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/earl
16:15:04 <ericP> -> EARL for SPARQL discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0009 
16:15:47 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:15:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:15:58 <Ashok> Eric:  Wants descriptive names for databases
16:17:23 <Ashok> Boris:  I will rename testcases and databases
16:18:18 <Ashok> Boris:  We add testcases based on new discussions
16:18:53 <Ashok> s/We/We will/
16:20:31 <Ashok> Michael:  Asks if we need a test harness that you could run locally
16:20:39 <Ashok> David:  +1
16:22:06 <dmcneil> +q
16:23:33 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil
16:23:39 <mhausenblas> q+
16:23:47 <Ashok> Eric:  Asks how folks that implement R2RML as a SPARQL endpoint
16:24:10 <Ashok> David:  Can we name the tests so they sort properly alphanumerically
16:24:39 <Ashok> s/endpoint/endpoint will implment the test/
16:25:15 <Ashok> Michael:  Can you share your testing apparatus?
16:25:43 <Ashok> David:  We are having a public demo ... we could contribute to the WG
16:26:54 <mhausenblas> ack me
16:27:28 <ericP> q+ to ask about the SPARQL tests of virtual graphs
16:27:38 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
16:27:38 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask about the SPARQL tests of virtual graphs
16:27:41 <Ashok> David:  We could contribute the beta
16:28:21 <Ashok> Eric:  How do you test the graph output of the tests?
16:28:54 <Ashok> ... problem with variable predicates
16:30:27 <dmcneil> +q
16:30:28 <boris> I can create a wiki page with initial ideas
16:30:34 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
16:30:34 <Ashok> Michael:  Lets have a look at what David contributes
16:30:42 <Ashok> David:  Timeframe?
16:31:05 <Ashok> ... and how are tests launched?
16:31:40 <ericP> tests not technically needed before CR, but any testing surprises may send you back to LC
16:32:31 <Ashok> Michael:  I would feel better if we sorted out the test situation earlier
16:33:33 <Ashok> ... the more we automate the better bit some flexibility is needed
16:35:18 <Zakim> -EricP
16:35:28 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
16:35:28 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
16:35:30 <Zakim> +EricP
16:36:56 <ericP> q+ to say that SPARQL just provided data
16:37:04 <Ashok> Michael:  Asks about flexibity of database 
16:37:15 <mhausenblas> q?
16:38:38 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
16:38:38 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say that SPARQL just provided data
16:38:43 <Ashok> Souri:  Keep use of SQL simple and use features generally available
16:39:09 <Ashok> Eric:  SPARQL just said Here is the data, here are the results.
16:39:20 <Ashok> ... everyone implmented their own
16:39:56 <Ashok> Michael:  You are arguing against a standard test harness?
16:40:10 <Ashok> Eric:  Let's be flexible
16:41:40 <Ashok> David:  Outlines a possible structure for running the tests
16:42:20 <Ashok> Boris:  We can discuss
16:44:21 <ericP> SPARQL used tests to exemplify design choices; the Manifest listed the tests needed for the implementation report.
16:44:59 <mhausenblas> q?
16:45:12 <boris> thanks ericP
16:45:14 <Zakim> -EricP
16:45:22 <ericP> quite welecome
16:45:31 <Ashok> Topic:  Issue Review
16:45:33 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/raised
16:45:43 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-18?
16:45:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- Allow SQL queries to be reused in a mapping -- raised
16:45:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/18
16:46:47 <Ashok> David:  Explains issue
16:47:38 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-18 and status is OPEN
16:47:44 <Ashok> Souri:  We can look at this and create a proposal
16:48:36 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Issue-18 is opened
16:48:46 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-19?
16:48:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- Reuse a SQL query as a sub-query -- raised
16:48:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/19
16:48:50 <Ashok> ISSUE-19
16:49:09 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-19 and status is OPEN
16:49:21 <Ashok> David:  Explains issue
16:49:23 <Ashok> Souri:  We can look at this and create a proposal
16:49:38 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Issue-19 is opened
16:49:40 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-20?
16:49:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Allow a predicate/object map to reference a joined table. -- raised
16:49:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/20
16:49:47 <Ashok> ISSUE-20
16:52:49 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Set ISSUE-20 to pending review
16:53:05 <Ashok> ACTION:  David to create usecase for ISSUE-20
16:53:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Create usecase for ISSUE-20 [on David McNeil - due 2011-04-05].
16:54:21 <Ashok> ISSUE-35
16:54:27 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-35?
16:54:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-35 -- Case sensitivity of SQL identifiers -- raised
16:54:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/35
16:55:44 <Ashok> David:  Discusses issue ... interpretation of identifiers should be aligned with database does
16:56:41 <Ashok> RESOLUTION: ISSUE-20 changed to pending review
16:58:17 <Ashok> ... case sensetive or case insensetive
16:59:14 <Zakim> +juansequeda.a
17:00:03 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Issue 35 is opened
17:00:17 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-39?
17:00:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-39 -- Refactor R2RML spec to avoid duplicate definitions -- raised
17:00:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/39
17:00:44 <Zakim> -Souri_
17:00:52 <Zakim> -dmcneil
17:00:52 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Issue 39 is opened
17:00:55 <mhausenblas> [meeting adjourned]
17:01:00 <Zakim> -Seema
17:01:03 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:01:05 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:01:10 <Zakim> -boris
17:01:12 <Zakim> -juansequeda.a
17:01:14 <Zakim> -Marcelo
17:01:15 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
17:01:27 <Ashok> rrsagent, create minutes
17:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html Ashok
17:02:32 <mhausenblas> ScribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics
17:02:38 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:02:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:03:08 <mhausenblas> trackbote, end telecon
17:03:14 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
17:03:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:03:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mhausenblas, EricP, +49.133.6.aaaa, dmcneil, Ashok_Malhotra, boris, Souri_, +1.562.249.aabb, Seema, Marcelo, +575737aacc, juansequeda
17:03:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:03:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
17:03:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:03:16 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
17:03:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to create usecase for ISSUE-20 [1]
17:03:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/29-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-53-05