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19:56:17 <Jatinder> meeting: Web Performance WG Teleconference #25
19:56:29 <Jatinder> chair: Jason Weber
19:56:35 <Jatinder> Chair: Arvind Jain
19:57:40 <Jatinder> agenda: 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2011Mar/0081.html'
19:57:49 <Jatinder> scribe: Jatinder Mann
19:58:16 <Jatinder> present+ Jatinder Mann
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19:59:26 <Jatinder> present+ TonyG
19:59:52 <Jatinder> present+ Nic Jansma
19:59:58 <Jatinder> present+ Karen Anderson
20:02:36 <Jatinder> present+ Zhiheng
20:02:40 <Jatinder> present+ James
20:02:53 <heycam> Zakim, code?
20:02:53 <Zakim> sorry, heycam, I don't know what conference this is
20:03:40 <Jatinder> Zakim Bridge Numbers:
20:03:48 <Jatinder> Passcode 97373 (WPERF)
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20:04:26 <Jatinder> present+ Cameron
20:04:47 <Jatinder> move to Agenda #1
20:05:04 <Jatinder> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2011Mar/0096.html
20:06:52 <Jatinder> Everyone agrees with the F2F agenda as is.
20:07:01 <Jatinder> Move to Agenda 2: 2.	Updates on changes to the test harness.
20:07:14 <Jatinder> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2011Mar/0065.html
20:08:19 <Jatinder> TonyG has updated all test cases and they are passing.
20:08:32 <Jatinder> Need a process to ensure when http://w3c-test.org/resources/testharness.js is updated, all dependent test cases are run to catch any regressions in the tests themselves. Need to determine the correct place to raise such concerns. I can follow up and ensure this gets fixed.
20:08:45 <Jatinder> Tony: James Graham should be a good starting point.
20:09:10 <Jatinder> Move to Agenda 3.
20:09:17 <Jatinder> Agenda 3.	Feedback and discussion on what resources should be included in the Resource timing arrays.
20:09:31 <Jatinder> Link: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2011Mar/0080.html
20:09:58 <Jatinder> Two things to talk about: 1) what to include in the resource timing array, 2) how to deal with cross-domain access
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20:15:47 <plh> zakim, this is per
20:15:47 <Zakim> ok, plh; that matches RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM
20:15:51 <Zakim> +Plh
20:21:52 <Jatinder> We agree that we should include just the downloaded resources in the resource timing array. E.g., most UAs today cache static resources after initial download. Script initiated and XHR resource downloads should be included.
20:23:44 <Jatinder> We will take an action to try to update the spec to make this clear. 
20:25:03 <Jatinder> Action: "Jatinder Mann" "Update RT spec to be clear on the behavior of what gets included in the RT array."
20:25:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - "Jatinder
20:25:21 <plh> trackbot, list users
20:25:21 <trackbot> Sorry, plh, I don't understand 'trackbot, list users'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
20:25:36 <plh> trackbot, status
20:25:48 <Jatinder> Action: "Jatinder" "Update RT spec to be clear on the behavior of what gets included in the RT array."
20:25:48 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - "Jatinder"
20:25:53 <plh> ACTION: Jatinder to Update RT spec to be clear on the behavior of what gets included in the RT array.
20:25:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Update RT spec to be clear on the behavior of what gets included in the RT array. [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-03-30].
20:33:44 <Jatinder> Everyone agrees that the HTTP response solution is a complete solution. We may still want to consider a hybrid solution that uses both a HTTP response solution and a meta tag.
20:35:28 <Jatinder> ACTION: Jatinder to Update RT spec to include a HTTP response solution similar to the CORS spec for review by list.
20:35:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Update RT spec to include a HTTP response solution similar to the CORS spec for review by list. [on Jatinder Mann - due 2011-03-30].
20:41:29 <Jatinder> Topic: Feedback and discussion on Navigation timing.
20:42:06 <Jatinder> ACTION: Zhiheng to update Navigation Timing spec to make the sentence "For example, the following Javascript shows the time it take to fully load a page: " clear.
20:42:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Update Navigation Timing spec to make the sentence "For example, the following Javascript shows the time it take to fully load a page: " clear. [on Zhiheng Wang - due 2011-03-30].
20:46:22 <Jatinder> Agreement that adding requestEnd is not adding much value - especially considering the large undefined time between requestEnd and responseStart.
20:47:34 <Jatinder> We agree that TYPE_RESERVED should remain in the spec as it is a future catch all.
20:50:07 <Jatinder> We agree that TYPE_NAVIGATE is currently underspecified. TYPE_NAVIGATE should include form submissions and script initiated navigations.
20:50:50 <Jatinder> ACTION: Zhiheng to Update the NT spec to include form submissions and script initiated navigations as a TYPE_NAVIGATE.
20:50:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Update the NT spec to include form submissions and script initiated navigations as a TYPE_NAVIGATE. [on Zhiheng Wang - due 2011-03-30].
20:54:54 <Jatinder> Jatinder and Nic to respond to Olli on the mailing list.
20:59:13 <Zakim> - +1.650.214.aabb
20:59:51 <Zakim> -Plh
20:59:52 <Zakim> - +1.650.691.aaaa
20:59:52 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:59:53 <Zakim> RWC_web-per(WPWG)4:00PM has ended
20:59:55 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.650.691.aaaa, +1.650.214.aabb, [IPcaller], Plh
21:03:22 <Jatinder> ACTION: Phillipe to Follow up and ensure that futures changes to test harness will be communicated to all owners of test cases dependent on the test harness due April 6.
21:03:22 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Phillipe
21:03:29 <Jatinder> ACTION: Philipe to Follow up and ensure that futures changes to test harness will be communicated to all owners of test cases dependent on the test harness due April 6.
21:03:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Philipe
21:03:41 <Jatinder> ACTION: Philippe to Follow up and ensure that futures changes to test harness will be communicated to all owners of test cases dependent on the test harness due April 6.
21:03:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Follow up and ensure that futures changes to test harness will be communicated to all owners of test cases dependent on the test harness due April 6. [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2011-03-30].
21:04:05 <Jatinder> rrsagent, create minutes
21:04:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-minutes.html Jatinder
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21:09:31 <Jatinder> rrsagent, drop action01
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21:14:39 <plh> hi Jatinder. I just cleaned out the minutes a bit for you
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21:24:58 <Jatinder> Thanks Philippe. I was attempting to clean up all my erroneous action items also. 
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21:25:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-minutes.html Jatinder
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22:41:41 <plh> rrsagent, bye
22:41:41 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-actions.rdf :
22:41:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jatinder to Update RT spec to be clear on the behavior of what gets included in the RT array. [3]
22:41:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-irc#T20-25-53
22:41:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jatinder to Update RT spec to include a HTTP response solution similar to the CORS spec for review by list. [4]
22:41:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-irc#T20-35-28
22:41:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Zhiheng to update Navigation Timing spec to make the sentence "For example, the following Javascript shows the time it take to fully load a page: " clear. [5]
22:41:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-irc#T20-42-06
22:41:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Zhiheng to Update the NT spec to include form submissions and script initiated navigations as a TYPE_NAVIGATE. [6]
22:41:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-irc#T20-50-50
22:41:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Phillipe to Follow up and ensure that futures changes to test harness will be communicated to all owners of test cases dependent on the test harness due April 6. [7]
22:41:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-webperf-irc#T21-03-22
22:41:50 <plh> zakim, bye
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