IRC log of mediafrag on 2011-03-23
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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- ok, trackbot, I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM already started
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- Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 23 March 2011
- 09:03:17 [raphael]
- zakim, code?
- 09:03:17 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), raphael
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- Chair: Raphael
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- Regrets: Erik
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- + +33.4.93.00.aaaa
- 09:04:26 [raphael]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Mar/0027.html
- 09:04:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- +Yves
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- + +329331aabb
- 09:05:48 [raphael]
- zakim, aabb is Davy
- 09:05:48 [Zakim]
- +Davy; got it
- 09:06:46 [raphael]
- scribe: Raphael
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- scribenick: raphael
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- cl
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- Topic: 1. Admin
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- Present: Yves, Davy, Thomas, Raphael, Philip (irc)
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- PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon, http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-mediafrag-minutes.html
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- +1
- 09:09:01 [Yves]
- +1
- 09:09:18 [davy]
- +1
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- minutes accepted
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- ACTION-205?
- 09:09:34 [trackbot]
- ACTION-205 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to send the MF clarification text to the HTML mailinglist -- due 2010-12-15 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/205
- 09:09:38 [tomayac]
- +1
- 09:09:40 [raphael]
- ACTION-215?
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- ACTION-215 -- Erik Mannens to poke people and encourage them to join the telecons -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/215
- 09:10:21 [raphael]
- Davy ???
- 09:10:39 [tomayac]
- yeah, phone is dead
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- -Davy
- 09:10:58 [tomayac]
- hearing now
- 09:11:19 [Yves]
- nobody can hear you raphae
- 09:11:32 [Zakim]
- +Davy
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- +raphael.a
- 09:12:24 [tomayac]
- raphaël muted again :-(
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- -raphael
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- -raphael.a
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- + +34.93.00.aacc
- 09:13:12 [tomayac]
- yes
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- zakim, aacc is raphael
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- +raphael; got it
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- -Davy
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- +Davy
- 09:17:00 [raphael]
- Topic: 2. HTML5 Bugs
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- ACTION-213?
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- ACTION-213 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to submit the proposed list of bugs to HTML5 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/213
- 09:17:30 [raphael]
- ... pending?
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- Topic: 3. WhatWG Liaison
- 09:18:10 [raphael]
- Hixie sugestion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0436.html
- 09:18:49 [raphael]
- ... related to the MultiTrack API, and issue 152, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
- 09:19:12 [raphael]
- ... the main questions for Philip: is there consensus for this proposal in the WG?
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- Topic: 4. Test Cases
- 09:19:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
- 09:20:02 [raphael]
- Davy: test cases for the spatial dimension have been added yesterday
- 09:20:19 [raphael]
- ... Philip has also proposed some nasty test cases, that will be added next week to the suite
- 09:20:34 [raphael]
- ... the unit tests are also based on Thomas test cases from his js implementation
- 09:21:17 [raphael]
- ... I'm considering also test cases for the track dimension
- 09:21:46 [raphael]
- ... regarding the automatic test cases framework, it should be ready by next week to test
- 09:21:50 [davy]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases
- 09:22:43 [raphael]
- Davy: I encourage you to use Chrome because there is a lot of javascript
- 09:23:29 [davy]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases#TC0003-UA
- 09:23:48 [raphael]
- Davy: each test case has its own URI
- 09:23:58 [raphael]
- ... this page is made for reviewing the test cases!
- 09:24:08 [raphael]
- ... the last column is the status from the group
- 09:24:12 [tomayac]
- the uris of the test cases are not exposed to the ui, are they?
- 09:24:34 [raphael]
- ... we should review them and correct them if necessary
- 09:25:33 [raphael]
- Davy: good point, I will put those links in the HTML version from the first column
- 09:25:42 [raphael]
- ... it is also read only
- 09:25:55 [davy]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases.rdf
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- ... generated from the rdf version
- 09:27:15 [davy]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
- 09:27:35 [raphael]
- Davy: another tool will enable to launch a test suite over a particular implementation, should be ready in 2 weeks from now
- 09:28:32 [raphael]
- Raphael: summary, we have two large tables to review
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- ... built from two rdf files
- 09:29:53 [tomayac]
- fsck, the connection seems too slow, raphael is almost ununderstandable
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- terminator voice? raphael has a terminator voice
- 09:30:25 [raphael]
- Raphael: question is how should we proceed to review those 2 large tables ?
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- bandwidth...
- 09:30:42 [raphael]
- ... option 1: during a plenary telecon with _everybody_ (preferred by Yves)
- 09:31:01 [raphael]
- ... option 2: distributed among group members that report on them in a telecon
- 09:31:12 [tomayac]
- +1 for opt1
- 09:31:17 [raphael]
- +1 for option 1
- 09:31:32 [tomayac]
- makes clarification easier in case of doubts
- 09:31:45 [tomayac]
- (redialing)
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- -tomayac_
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- +tomayac_
- 09:32:53 [raphael]
- Raphael: next week is WWW conference, most likely will cancel the telecon
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- ... wondering if we could review all test cases on April 6
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- Thomas: I will not be here
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- Raphael: excellent work Davy
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- Topic: 5. Other ISSUES
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- ISSUE-21?
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- ISSUE-21 -- Expressing complex regions with a reference in Media Fragments URI -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/21
- 09:37:20 [raphael]
- Thomas: the use case makes sense
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- ... I'm not sure if there is not security issue with their proposal
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- Yves: I tend to be against it, because this reference could break/conflict with existing dimensions
- 09:39:38 [raphael]
- Davy: this reminds me of the whole discussion about extensibility
- 09:39:47 [raphael]
- ... can we answer this is considered for version 2 ?
- 09:40:22 [Yves]
- they can encode the SVG in EXI to make it small, then encode it
- 09:40:36 [Yves]
- but it would need an extension as exi is not utf-8
- 09:40:45 [raphael]
- Thomas: perhaps we could come up with a subset of svg that narrows more the scope of the complex spatial frament
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- s/frament/fragment
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- Thomas: this would require to precisely specify which regions we want, 2D only?, circles, polygons
- 09:42:31 [raphael]
- Raphael: tracking images over the time?
- 09:42:41 [raphael]
- Thomas: CSS has animations, do they consider this?
- 09:43:39 [raphael]
- Raphael: we could invite one representant of this use case in a upcoming telecon
- 09:44:41 [tomayac]
- hoping not to open a pandora box...
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- Topic: 6. AOB
- 09:45:15 [tomayac]
- http://tomayac.com/mediafragments/mediafragments.html
- 09:45:25 [raphael]
- Summary: we need to have a telecon for reviewing test cases, a telecon with Adisson for I18N, a telecon with Europeana for discussing ISSUE-21
- 09:45:32 [raphael]
- ... so we need MORE people MORE often
- 09:47:30 [raphael]
- Raphael: for Safari bug, ping eric.carlson@apple.com and singer@apple.com
- 09:48:50 [tomayac]
- pardon my ignorance ;-)
- 09:49:07 [raphael]
- No telecon next week because of the WWW conference
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- Next telecon is on April 6th
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- -tomayac_
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- -raphael
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- -Yves
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- -Davy
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were tomayac_, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, raphael, Yves, +329331aabb, Davy, +34.93.00.aacc
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/23-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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