IRC log of html-a11y on 2011-03-10

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15:58:35 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-a11y-irc
15:58:36 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:58:38 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 2119
15:58:38 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:39 [trackbot]: Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:58:40 [trackbot]: Date: 10 March 2011
15:58:51 [oedipus]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0091.html
15:59:07 [oedipus]: regrets: Laura_Carlson,Silvia_Pfieffer,Kenny_Johar
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16:00:50 [oedipus]: zakim, who is on phone?
16:00:50 [Zakim]: I don't understand your question, oedipus.
16:02:12 [oedipus]: zakim, who is here?
16:02:12 [Zakim]: WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has not yet started, oedipus
16:02:14 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Marco_Ranon, Zakim, RRSAgent, eric_carlson, paulc, oedipus, MichaelC, JF, MikeSmith, trackbot, [tm]
16:02:23 [oedipus]: zakim, this is 2119
16:02:23 [Zakim]: ok, oedipus; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
16:02:40 [MichaelC]: zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:40 [Zakim]: On the phone I see eric, JF, Gregory_Rosmaita, [Microsoft], ??P15, ??P17
16:02:55 [Zakim]: +Michael_Cooper
16:03:16 [oedipus]: zakim, [Microsoft] has Paul_Cotton
16:03:16 [Zakim]: +Paul_Cotton; got it
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16:03:54 [MichaelC]: zakim, ??P15 is Mike_Smith
16:03:54 [Zakim]: +Mike_Smith; got it
16:04:01 [Zakim]: + +49.179.103.aaaa
16:04:09 [kliehm]: zakim, aaaa is me
16:04:11 [Zakim]: +kliehm; got it
16:04:56 [MichaelC]: zakim, drop ??P17
16:04:56 [Zakim]: ??P17 is being disconnected
16:04:58 [Zakim]: -??P17
16:05:04 [MikeSmith]: hmm
16:05:10 [MichaelC]: zakim, drop ??P15
16:05:10 [Zakim]: sorry, MichaelC, I do not see a party named '??P15'
16:05:20 [MichaelC]: zakim, who's on the phone?
16:05:20 [Zakim]: On the phone I see eric, JF, Gregory_Rosmaita, [Microsoft], Mike_Smith, Michael_Cooper, kliehm
16:05:23 [Zakim]: [Microsoft] has Paul_Cotton
16:05:26 [MichaelC]: zakim, drop Mike
16:05:26 [Zakim]: Mike_Smith is being disconnected
16:05:27 [Zakim]: -Mike_Smith
16:05:36 [Zakim]: +??P1
16:05:39 [Zakim]: +??P8
16:05:42 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, ??P1 is me
16:05:42 [Zakim]: +MikeSmith; got it
16:05:47 [MichaelC]: zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
16:05:47 [Zakim]: I already had ??P1 as MikeSmith, MichaelC
16:05:55 [MichaelC]: zakim, ??P8 is Janina_Sajka
16:05:55 [Zakim]: +Janina_Sajka; got it
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16:07:26 [janina]: Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
16:07:26 [janina]: Chair: Janina_Sajka
16:07:26 [janina]: agenda: this
16:07:26 [janina]: agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
16:07:26 [janina]: agenda+ Face to Face--Please Register http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201103_ftf/
16:07:27 [janina]: agenda+ Face to Face Agenda and Logistics Discussion http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/ftf_2011-03.html
16:07:29 [janina]: agenda+ Subteam Reports: Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Media; Bug Triage
16:07:31 [janina]: agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
16:07:33 [janina]: agenda+ The <canvas src> Proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0072.html
16:07:34 [Marco_Ranon]: Marco_Ranon has joined #html-a11y
16:07:35 [janina]: agenda+ Keyboard Access Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jul/0105.html
16:07:37 [janina]: agenda+ Forms Accessibility
16:07:39 [janina]: agenda+ be done
16:08:07 [Zakim]: + +44.117.929.aabb
16:08:34 [kliehm]: zakim, please mute me
16:08:34 [Zakim]: kliehm should now be muted
16:08:52 [MichaelC]: zakim, aabb is Marco_Ranon
16:08:52 [Zakim]: +Marco_Ranon; got it
16:09:26 [janina]: zakim, pick a victim
16:09:26 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gregory_Rosmaita
16:09:28 [oedipus]: scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
16:09:34 [oedipus]: scribenick: oedipus
16:10:14 [oedipus]: TOPIC: Face to Face
16:10:19 [oedipus]: Please Register http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201103_ftf/
16:10:33 [Zakim]: +??P10
16:10:36 [oedipus]: zakim, aabb is Leonie_Watson
16:10:37 [Zakim]: sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:10:44 [Marco_Ranon]: zakim, ??P10 is me
16:10:44 [Zakim]: +Marco_Ranon; got it
16:11:02 [MichaelC]: zakim, Marco is temp
16:11:02 [Zakim]: sorry, MichaelC, I do not recognize a party named 'Marco'
16:11:13 [MichaelC]: zakim, who's on the call?
16:11:13 [Zakim]: On the phone I see eric, JF, Gregory_Rosmaita, [Microsoft], Michael_Cooper, kliehm (muted), MikeSmith, Janina_Sajka, Rich, Cynthia_Shelly, Marco_Ranon, Marco_Ranon.a
16:11:16 [Zakim]: [Microsoft] has Paul_Cotton
16:11:31 [MichaelC]: zakim, Marco_Ranon is Léonie_Watson
16:11:31 [Zakim]: +Léonie_Watson; got it
16:11:39 [MichaelC]: zakim, Marco_Ranon.a is Marco_Ranon
16:11:39 [Zakim]: +Marco_Ranon; got it
16:11:44 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:11:54 [MichaelC]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0090.html
16:13:31 [oedipus]: JS: in case we use full hour, want to mention that re: longdesc we have been advised there is an industry group that is concerned that it is missing and that will be damaging to their ability to support people with disabilities and to get support from browser vendors and authors they are working with -- letter on way to W3C from industry body by the end of the week expressing concern and...
16:13:32 [oedipus]: ...need for long description mechanism
16:13:43 [oedipus]: JS: will alert HTML WG about this in HTML WG call at noon
16:13:56 [oedipus]: PC: can't see any reason to bother HTML WG until can provide copy of letter
16:14:03 [oedipus]: JS: ok, good point
16:14:21 [oedipus]: PC: work with team -- get letter on public email list
16:14:47 [oedipus]: PC: getting into public list archive is important -- can work with JS on this
16:15:08 [oedipus]: TOPIC: Face2Face and Associated Deadlines
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16:15:31 [oedipus]: JS: need a head-count, so please register at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201103_ftf/ as soon as possible -- which means today --
16:15:51 [oedipus]: CS: if you don't register by 11 march 2011, can't provide special lunches as can be requested via registration page
16:16:07 [janina]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/ftf_2011-03.html
16:16:27 [oedipus]: JS: draft agenda for F2F at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/ftf_2011-03.html
16:16:48 [oedipus]: JS: specificity -- want to ensure named everything need to look at and allotted appropriate time for work
16:17:02 [JF]: +q
16:17:02 [oedipus]: MC: text alternatives request from SteveF
16:17:46 [oedipus]: MC: much of agenda split into parallel sessions so that subgroups can work in parallel -- still want to have main body meet together, but media will be breaking out -- text alternatives not on list yet
16:17:58 [oedipus]: LW: agree with steve, need text alternatives time slot
16:18:02 [oedipus]: JS: anything else?
16:18:16 [oedipus]: ack JF
16:18:45 [oedipus]: JF: media going to compose working agenda for media breakout sessions -- feel that have an ordered list of things to be accomplished -- recap on sunday morning -- some dial-in commitments
16:19:10 [oedipus]: JF: couple of other open issues in issue tracker that are a11y related -- need to sit back and look where we are and identify any holes need to address
16:19:17 [oedipus]: MC: sunday after lunch session is for that
16:19:37 [oedipus]: JF: issue of timing -- push that a bit higher in stack? will lose people on sunday incrememtally
16:19:50 [oedipus]: RS: flying back monday
16:20:40 [oedipus]: JS: want to be sensitive to who is there while we are there, main reson for f2f is to resolve problems where we are able to discuss issues in person -- overviews not as tricky to do in telecon as is seizing the group dynamic
16:21:40 [oedipus]: JS: text alternative discussion is stalled -- want to come out of F2F with very specific directions for immediate future work -- need big boost that comes from solving issues --
16:22:19 [oedipus]: JS: things we know about, and things we need to organize (entire spec review) -- done once by PF and WAI -- realize need to do this every few months
16:22:30 [janina]: q?
16:23:07 [oedipus]: JF: additional IRC channels?
16:23:21 [oedipus]: MC: join new channel and creates one dynamically -- suggest html-a11y-media
16:23:33 [oedipus]: MC: keep in mind, IRC channel name goes into the name of the minutes
16:23:43 [oedipus]: JS: would be good to preannounce the IRC channel
16:23:57 [oedipus]: MC: makes sense for media, suggest other subgroups use main channel
16:24:11 [oedipus]: MC: almost all of the breakout sessoins include one for media
16:24:15 [oedipus]: JF: works for me
16:24:28 [oedipus]: TOPIC: Subteam Reports: Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Media; Bug Triage
16:24:43 [oedipus]: JS: want to hear what need to address at F2F
16:25:18 [oedipus]: RS: canvas update: submitted change proposal -- working on how to get bounding rectangles for each accessible object -- number of things kicked around -- want to impact authors the least while adding value
16:25:24 [oedipus]: RS: one problem is hit-testing in canvas
16:26:57 [oedipus]: RS: canvas today: can draw via canvas, but not great as an environment -- when first started a11y work on windows for MSAA, what happened is when draw to screen have device context (color info, font info, clipping info) -- clipping info used to do hit-testing as well as supplying a11y APIs with a rectangle -- hit-testing very poor in canvas -- suggested that we bind a clipping rectangle...
16:26:59 [oedipus]: ...which can be used for hit testing AND binding to a11y API
16:28:00 [oedipus]: RS: fallback content becaomes object model bound to Canvas -- for author, clipping region based on transformations already used in canvas, so easier than CSS -- bind to element in shadow dom, provide a11y API computed rectangle AND can do hit-testing (onClick event in shadow DOM that is bound to click on canvas -- right now no way to do
16:28:09 [oedipus]: RS: feedback: google wants examples
16:28:47 [oedipus]: RS: solution to problem going to take more work because have to redefine how hit-testing is done; may not be completely done until LC or after -- asked Maciej for feedback from apple, haven't yet received -- that is next step
16:28:49 [oedipus]: PC:
16:28:56 [oedipus]: PC: maciej on 2 weeks of vacation
16:29:03 [oedipus]: PC: away until 20 march 2011
16:29:08 [oedipus]: RS: didn't know -- thatnks
16:29:45 [oedipus]: RS: really need to investigate this -- solves VERY big problem for canvas -- allows clickable regions AND operate off of the DOM -- that is a major gain
16:30:10 [oedipus]: RS: opened bug on clarification of fallback content is implemented -- got feedback from google/webkit -- more editorial than anything else
16:30:19 [oedipus]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas
16:30:22 [oedipus]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings
16:30:25 [oedipus]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas/Meetings/Minutes
16:30:40 [oedipus]: JS: ARIA Integration at F2F?
16:31:27 [oedipus]: RS: at f2f need to do lexical processing peice for ARIA attributes in HTML5 -- me, MCooper, SteveF -- has to go into section 3.2.6 in document -- said that is where will go when ARIA went to CR -- told hixie we are discussing at face2face and invited his participation
16:31:47 [JF]: +q
16:32:01 [oedipus]: RS: do we need to make changes to ARIA for HTML5 -- number of HTML5 elements that don't have default semantic role? do we need longdesc mechanism for ARIA.next?
16:32:04 [oedipus]: ack JF
16:32:27 [oedipus]: JF: question came up -- in element such as canvas does multiple things, can one assign multiple roles?
16:33:14 [oedipus]: RS: aria allows one to take a collection of roles to apply to any element -- ARIA 1.0 says "take first valid role and map to a11y APIs" -- most a11y apis only take 1 role -- need to investigate how to handle multiple roles
16:33:24 [oedipus]: JF: came up in context of another discussion
16:34:10 [oedipus]: RS: Gregg Vanderhieden asked same question for kiosks -- wants to use native aria roles, but what if wanted additional one -- ARIA has extensibility capability, can set additional role in list, and when your AT runs in kiosk, can trigger off other role values
16:34:15 [oedipus]: CS: precedent in UIA
16:34:26 [oedipus]: JF: something to discuss at F2F if have time
16:34:33 [oedipus]: JS: media update?
16:35:28 [Zakim]: -MikeSmith
16:35:50 [oedipus]: JF: good call yesterday -- right now have an omnibus issue (issue 9) -- was very vague, so letting go -- working on issue 152 -- what to do with multitrack api --associate secondary media files to primary video -- proving to be a tricky proposition -- lot of discussion with engineers, focusing in on few solutions, hoping that F2F is where major progress will take place
16:35:52 [Zakim]: +??P1
16:35:59 [MikeSmith]: Zakim, ??P1 is me
16:35:59 [Zakim]: +MikeSmith; got it
16:36:01 [oedipus]: JF: disposed of some bugs associated with Issue-9
16:36:04 [oedipus]: issue-9?
16:36:04 [trackbot]: ISSUE-9 does not exist
16:36:56 [oedipus]: JF: couple of bugs we feel can be closed not in closed state -- who is responsible for closing bugs we didn't specifically open -- there are 2 that still need to be addressed -- all go back to original issue: how to support multiple content selection that is synchronized
16:37:02 [oedipus]: JS: still looking at 8 proposals?
16:37:21 [oedipus]: JF: still 8 proposals in wiki; discussion focused on 2 or 3 specific; haven't eliminated any "formally"
16:37:32 [oedipus]: JF: discussion focused on 2 or 3 possible solutions
16:37:47 [oedipus]: JS: next step: advance the 2 or 3 on the way to working towards 1
16:37:55 [oedipus]: JF: procedural -- discussion is onging
16:38:12 [oedipus]: JF: wiki is a placeholder -- silvia shepherd of wiki pages for media
16:38:38 [oedipus]: JS: need to synchronize is wider than just a11y -- i18n support requires it as well, needs wider conversation
16:38:45 [oedipus]: JF: right, not just captions, but subtitles
16:38:54 [oedipus]: JF: progress IS being made
16:39:00 [kliehm]: zakim, unmute me
16:39:00 [Zakim]: kliehm should no longer be muted
16:39:07 [oedipus]: JS: bug triage?
16:39:51 [oedipus]: MK: JF covered media bug clean-up; action 108 can be closed; 3 bugs can be closed, 1 or 2 need further comments from media subteam others discuss at F2F meeting
16:40:07 [oedipus]: MK: Marco and MCooper did usual triage of new a11y bugs this week -- inbox
16:40:15 [oedipus]: MK: "inbox" is empty
16:40:24 [kliehm]: zakim, please mute me
16:40:24 [Zakim]: kliehm should now be muted
16:40:24 [oedipus]: MC: did have 1 bug to bring to wider attention of TFG
16:40:30 [oedipus]: s/TFG/TF/
16:40:41 [Marco_Ranon]: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8659
16:41:01 [oedipus]: MC: Bug 8659 - indicate captions and audio-description
16:41:04 [kliehm]: It says "we wait for the browser vendors to catch up before specifying an API".
16:41:06 [kliehm]: If the API is imperative for accessibility, it needs to be specified
16:41:07 [oedipus]: MC: don't know why flagged
16:41:07 [kliehm]: pre-Last Call. We suggest to discuss this in the TF telcon.
16:41:50 [oedipus]: JF: this is related to issue-152 again -- questoin is are we actually firing an event? answer is "sort of" -- needs to be discussed at F2F
16:42:17 [oedipus]: JF: not resolved, but once get 152 settled will dispense with this bug
16:42:34 [oedipus]: MC: if in results closer to verified and closed -- may need to reopen and assign to yourself
16:42:39 [oedipus]: JF: can you do that for me?
16:42:59 [oedipus]: MC: can but not sure if right way to go -- "resolve later" can drop off radar
16:43:28 [oedipus]: JF: bug not resolved -- final response is hixie has partially accepted point of part of bug -- agrees need API for timed-text data -- don't have for multi-track
16:43:57 [oedipus]: JF: if can associate with issue-152, ok -- have for text alternatives, but not multimedia alternatives
16:44:10 [oedipus]: MC: procedural discussion with JF about administrivia
16:44:18 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
16:44:37 [oedipus]: JS: in terms of closing bugs we didn't open ourselves, we empowered bug triage team to handle them
16:44:44 [oedipus]: MC: correct
16:45:11 [oedipus]: MC: moving to "verified" which is "closing" we are empowered to do -- chairs will move verified to closed at some point
16:45:39 [oedipus]: JS: annotating that subteam looked at bugs being discussed, alert bug triage team to mark "verified" or other --- provide annotation
16:46:00 [oedipus]: MC: don't need to wait for bug triage team -- best handled by media subgroup since they have expertise
16:46:12 [oedipus]: JF: those we had questions about are "verified"
16:46:30 [oedipus]: TOPIC: Actions Review
16:46:32 [oedipus]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
16:46:39 [oedipus]: MC: skipping subteam actions
16:46:47 [kliehm]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/90
16:46:51 [oedipus]: MC: action-90 on MC -- still open -- related to text alternatives
16:46:57 [kliehm]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/101
16:47:41 [kliehm]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/105
16:47:45 [oedipus]: MC: action-101 on Gregory - modal for ARIA.next -- will have done after CSUN
16:48:31 [MichaelC]: action-105 due 15 April
16:48:31 [trackbot]: ACTION-105 - review w3c bugzilla installation versus newest version 4, coordinate with those who volunteered, present options and needs due date now 15 April
16:48:38 [kliehm]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/106
16:48:38 [oedipus]: GJR: please change action 105 to be due in april
16:48:54 [JF]: +q
16:49:12 [oedipus]: ack JF
16:49:31 [oedipus]: JF: open action page action-109 for sean hayes should be tagged "media"
16:49:49 [oedipus]: TOPIC: The <canvas src> Proposal
16:49:51 [oedipus]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Mar/0072.html
16:50:06 [oedipus]: JS: thought in coordination meeting should discuss on call due to discussion in email
16:50:24 [oedipus]: JS: what do we need to discuss around this proposal? someone introduce in summary form?
16:50:38 [oedipus]: RS: haven't really dug into it, but understand request (structural fallback)
16:51:26 [oedipus]: JF: TabAtkins made proposal -- his attempt to look at longdesc problem and coming up with a new way to solve verbose descriptor mechanism -- use CANVAS as magic container with src, can put textual equivalent inside of CANVAS tag
16:51:57 [oedipus]: JF: multiple roles on element -- silvia asking about this with regard to this proposal -- if embed image inside of CANVAS, might have confluence of roles that needs to be investigated
16:52:12 [oedipus]: JF: interesting proposal, but not the most logical way to achieve what we need
16:52:49 [oedipus]: RS: canvas fallback today -- fallback isn't fallbak in canvas especially on mobile -- has to be a 1 for 1 mapping between what are rendering on content and all in CANVAS sub-DOM
16:53:00 [JF]: <canvas src="complex-chart.png">
16:53:02 [JF]: <table>
16:53:03 [JF]: -data that the chart represents-
16:53:05 [JF]: </table>
16:53:06 [JF]: </canvas>
16:53:08 [oedipus]: RS: longdesc is not a 1-to-1 -- why not just allow img to have subtree for fallback
16:53:13 [Leonie_Watson]: +q
16:53:26 [oedipus]: RS: this concept is not new -- did this in XHTML2
16:53:37 [oedipus]: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2
16:53:58 [oedipus]: RS: if container, just put it in -- subtree that hides underneath image specified by canvas -- can also do with object
16:54:49 [oedipus]: JF: understand -- this is what is being pitched -- happy that engineers coming forward with alternatives -- need for longdesc seems to be accepted, but trying to do without baggage of longdesc
16:55:08 [Leonie_Watson]: +1 to JS
16:55:41 [oedipus]: RS: don't want bind to visual rendering -- this is alternative text (can be structured) -- value added: if want to see longdesc, don't need to fetch in separate instance, but can pull forwared
16:55:44 [janina]: q?
16:56:10 [oedipus]: GJR: trying to do for canvas and images what OBJECT provided for free
16:56:24 [oedipus]: JF: write once use many times
16:56:28 [oedipus]: JF: interesting proposal
16:56:33 [oedipus]: q?
16:56:33 [Marco_Ranon]: q+
16:56:45 [oedipus]: JF: all for choice -- potentially another tool in toolbox
16:56:52 [paulc]: leaving to Chair the WG Weekly meeting
16:57:06 [oedipus]: JS: can be done without tying to canvas
16:57:12 [Zakim]: -[Microsoft]
16:57:14 [oedipus]: RS: worried about it breaking canvas
16:57:35 [oedipus]: RS: navigation disconnect betwen image rendered and longdesc being exposed
16:57:40 [oedipus]: ack L
16:58:08 [oedipus]: LW: doesn't solve problem of longdesc on static image?
16:58:39 [janina]: q?
16:58:40 [oedipus]: RS: depends -- 2 choices: actually have content <IMG src="">Verbose Description not rendered by default</IMG>
16:58:52 [oedipus]: RS: will authors want this on seperate page
16:58:53 [oedipus]: q+
16:59:23 [janina]: q?
16:59:29 [janina]: ack m
16:59:58 [janina]: ack o
17:00:32 [oedipus]: MR: read proposal looks to me like we are confusing fallback and alternative -- fallback giving alternative to longdesc -- something UA can provide? how to expose to make aviaiable to those using speech and sight
17:01:54 [Zakim]: -eric
17:01:55 [Zakim]: -kliehm
17:01:55 [Zakim]: -MikeSmith
17:01:57 [Zakim]: -Janina_Sajka
17:01:58 [Zakim]: -Cynthia_Shelly
17:01:58 [Zakim]: -Marco_Ranon
17:02:00 [Zakim]: -Léonie_Watson
17:02:01 [Zakim]: -Michael_Cooper
17:02:01 [janina]: janina has left #html-a11y
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17:03:49 [oedipus]: GJR: worried about use of "fallback" as we corrected use of "fallback" for definition of image http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/first_2_paragraphs_of_definition_of_img
17:03:54 [oedipus]: JS: no meeting next week
17:03:57 [oedipus]: JS: face2face 19 to 20 march 2011 -- thanks to Cyns and microsoft for hosting
17:04:08 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
17:09:26 [oedipus]: i/in case we use full hour,/TOPIC: Update from Facilitators/
17:09:29 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
17:10:17 [oedipus]: zakim, please part
17:10:17 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees were eric, Gregory_Rosmaita, JF, Michael_Cooper, Paul_Cotton, Mike_Smith, +49.179.103.aaaa, kliehm, MikeSmith, Janina_Sajka, Rich,
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17:10:20 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
17:10:21 [Zakim]: ... Cynthia_Shelly, +44.117.929.aabb, Léonie_Watson, Marco_Ranon
17:10:47 [oedipus]: present- +49.179.103.aaaa
17:11:15 [oedipus]: present+ Léonie_Watson, Marco_Ranon,Cynthia_Shelly
17:11:20 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/10-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
17:14:14 [oedipus]: The image given by the src attribute is the embedded content; the value of the alt attribute provides equivalent content for those who cannot process images or who have image loading disabled
17:14:38 [richardschwerdtfe]: I got dropped
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18:50:26 [RRSAgent]: I see no action items