16:52:28 RRSAgent has joined #rdb2rdf 16:52:28 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-irc 16:52:30 RRSAgent, make logs world 16:52:30 Zakim has joined #rdb2rdf 16:52:32 Zakim, this will be 7322733 16:52:32 ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes 16:52:33 Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference 16:52:33 Date: 08 March 2011 16:52:40 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Mar/0016.html 16:52:45 Chair: Michael 16:53:24 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:53:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas 16:53:30 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:54:34 Zakim, pick a victim 16:54:34 sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is 16:55:54 Ashok has joined #rdb2rdf 16:56:16 juansequeda has joined #rdb2rdf 16:56:39 Yes, I will dial in in a few minutes ... on another call 16:56:43 regrets+ Alex 16:58:02 privera has joined #RDB2RDF 16:58:30 Marcelo and I are running a bit late. We will be on IRC and will dial in shortly 16:59:20 SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started 16:59:27 +OpenLink_Software 16:59:36 +cygri 16:59:39 Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 16:59:39 +MacTed; got it 16:59:41 dmcneil has joined #RDB2RDF 16:59:42 Zakim, mute me 16:59:42 MacTed should now be muted 16:59:44 Zakim, I am mhausenblas 16:59:44 sorry, mhausenblas, I do not see a party named 'mhausenblas' 16:59:48 Zakim, who's here? 16:59:48 On the phone I see MacTed (muted), cygri 16:59:49 On IRC I see dmcneil, privera, juansequeda, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, betehess, ivan, MacTed, LeeF, cygri, ericP, trackbot 17:00:03 Zakim, cygri is me 17:00:03 +mhausenblas; got it 17:00:04 soeren has joined #RDB2RDF 17:00:26 Zakim, pick a victim 17:00:26 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas 17:00:28 +Ashok_Malhotra 17:00:39 alexdeleon has joined #RDB2RDF 17:00:40 boris has joined #rdb2rdf 17:00:49 + +34.03.5.aaaa 17:01:01 zakim, +aaaa is soeren 17:01:01 sorry, soeren, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa' 17:01:01 scribenick: Ashok 17:01:06 zakim, aaaa is soeren 17:01:06 +soeren; got it 17:01:12 zakim, dial ivan-voip 17:01:12 ok, ivan; the call is being made 17:01:14 +Ivan 17:01:24 +boris 17:01:34 hi 17:01:47 zackim, alexdeleon is with boris 17:02:10 Souri has joined #rdb2rdf 17:02:16 +dmcneil 17:02:24 Seema has joined #rdb2rdf 17:02:33 +Souri 17:02:39 +??P10 17:02:53 zakim, alexdeleon is with boris 17:02:53 +alexdeleon; got it 17:03:00 Zakim, ??P10 is privera 17:03:00 +privera; got it 17:03:09 zakim, mute me 17:03:09 privera should now be muted 17:03:34 nunolopes has joined #RDB2RDF 17:03:42 Zakim, nunolopes is with me 17:03:42 +nunolopes; got it 17:03:58 +Seema 17:04:35 Topic: 1. Admin + PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html 17:04:56 Zakim, please dial ericP-office 17:04:56 ok, ericP; the call is being made 17:04:58 +EricP 17:05:12 zakim, mute me 17:05:12 Ivan should now be muted 17:05:39 +1 17:05:45 Michael: Reminder for non-US participants -- next 2 telcons will be one hour earlier due to Daylight Savings Time 17:06:11 RESOLUTION: minutes for March 1 accepted 17:06:45 Michael: We would like to publish next revs of the WDs next week 17:07:08 ... so let us discuss issues 17:07:26 ISSUE-27? 17:07:26 ISSUE-27 -- NULL graphColumn value producing triples in an unnamed graph -- raised 17:07:26 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/27 17:07:31 Topic: 1. Admin + PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html 17:07:42 RRSAgent, draft minutes 17:07:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas 17:07:49 q+ 17:07:53 boris_ has joined #rdb2rdf 17:08:03 ack Souri 17:08:03 ISSUE-27 ... unnamed or default graph? 17:08:23 +juansequeda 17:08:39 Souri ... yes, default graph 17:09:23 Zakim, unmute me 17:09:23 MacTed should no longer be muted 17:09:30 Topic: R2RML status 17:09:51 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-27 will be addressed by R2RML 17:09:51 Eric: Let us look closelt at SPARQL spec 17:10:09 Ashok...for ISSUE-27, Souri means it to be "unnamed graph" not default graph 17:10:26 Issue-27 accepted 17:10:38 zakim, i'm with mhausenblas 17:10:38 +cygri; got it 17:10:54 Thanks, Seema ... typing too fast :-) 17:11:25 Topic: ISSUE-24 17:12:02 Issue-24? 17:12:02 Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel 17:12:13 ISSUE-24? 17:12:14 ISSUE-24 -- Clarify support for complex joinConditions -- raised 17:12:14 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/24 17:12:22 RESOLUTION: Accept ISSUE-27 and will be addressed by R2RML 17:12:28 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-24 will be addressed by R2RML 17:12:41 RESOLUTION: Accept ISSUE-24 and will be addressed by R2RML ... proposal accepted 17:12:52 ISSUE-22? 17:12:53 ISSUE-22 -- Support for database vendor specific SQL statements. -- raised 17:12:53 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/22 17:12:56 Topic: Issue-22 17:13:40 -privera 17:14:41 +[IPcaller] 17:14:45 q+ 17:14:55 ack cygri 17:15:12 Souri: The statements are not parsed 17:15:25 Richard: What is a SQL string? 17:15:26 Zakim, privera is IPcaller 17:15:26 sorry, privera, I do not recognize a party named 'privera' 17:15:44 Zakim, [IPcaller] is privera 17:15:44 +privera; got it 17:16:10 zakim, mute me 17:16:10 privera should now be muted 17:16:26 Richard: We agree that vendor extension should be supported 17:16:57 +q 17:17:07 we don't necessarily undermine the utility of R2RML if we only define the behavior over SQL 2008 17:17:18 ack dmcneil 17:17:28 ... maybe say nothing about this ... depends on the implementation ... impl says what it supports 17:17:30 that won't prevent folks who understand how it would behave from applying this to other dialects 17:17:38 q+ 17:17:44 q+ 17:17:49 ack Souri 17:17:51 q? 17:18:46 q+ 17:18:54 ack cygri 17:19:29 ack Ashok 17:19:33 Richard: You want an indication on the SQL-string saying it is not std SQL 17:19:41 rr:SQLCompatibililty rr:Core2008 ? 17:20:07 +1 to Richard 17:20:18 q+ 17:20:30 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-22, put a note into R2RML draft 17:20:38 +1 17:20:43 ack ericP 17:21:36 +1 17:21:50 RESOLUTION: ISSUE-22 Accepted ... editors will add note in the document 17:21:51 ISSUE-21? 17:21:51 ISSUE-21 -- Allow logical tables to be joined via either an inner or an outer join -- raised 17:21:51 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/21 17:22:05 Topic: ISSUW-21 17:22:17 +1 to withdrawal 17:22:24 s/ISSUW/ISSUE/ 17:22:36 David: I'm happy to withdraw this issue 17:22:57 ISSUE-25? 17:22:57 ISSUE-25 -- Including direct mapping constructs in R2RML mappings -- raised 17:22:57 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/25 17:22:58 Topic: ISSUE-25 17:23:45 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-25 and postpone 17:23:49 +1 17:23:56 +1 17:24:00 RESOLUTION: ISSUE-25 is opened 17:24:00 +1 17:24:00 boris has joined #rdb2rdf 17:24:31 Michael: maybe related to ISSUE-5 17:25:11 Michael: R2RML editors please use ISSUE-25 to link to from the WD 17:25:28 ISSUE-26? 17:25:28 ISSUE-26 -- Producing triples in named graphs and the default graph -- raised 17:25:28 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/26 17:25:35 Topic: ISSUE-26 17:25:46 RRSAgent, draft minutes 17:25:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas 17:26:40 Marcelo has joined #rdb2rdf 17:26:48 rrsagent, make logs public 17:27:25 RESOLUTION: ISSUE-26 is opened 17:27:26 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-26, will be addressed in R2RML 17:27:38 + +1.562.249.aabb 17:27:59 Zakim, aabb is Marcelo 17:27:59 +Marcelo; got it 17:28:07 present+: Marcello 17:28:31 ISSUE-28? 17:28:31 ISSUE-28 -- Clarify whether blank nodes are equivalent based on their identifier -- raised 17:28:31 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/28 17:28:32 Topic: ISSUE-28 17:28:39 Zakim, who's here? 17:28:39 On the phone I see MacTed, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, soeren, Ivan (muted), boris, dmcneil, Souri, Seema, EricP, juansequeda, privera (muted), Marcelo 17:28:42 boris has boris, alexdeleon 17:28:43 mhausenblas has mhausenblas, nunolopes, cygri 17:28:45 On IRC I see Marcelo, boris, nunolopes, Seema, Souri, alexdeleon, soeren, dmcneil, privera, juansequeda, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, ivan, MacTed, LeeF, cygri, ericP, 17:28:47 present+ Ted 17:28:48 ... trackbot 17:28:53 present+ Michael 17:28:57 q+ 17:28:59 present+ Ashok 17:29:09 present+ Soeren 17:29:13 present+ Ivan 17:29:16 ack Souri 17:29:23 present+ Boris 17:29:30 present+ David 17:29:31 present+ Souri 17:29:36 present+ Seema 17:29:39 present+ Eric 17:29:43 present+ Juan 17:29:48 present+ Percy 17:29:52 q+ 17:29:56 ack cygri 17:30:22 q+ 17:30:23 RRSAgent, draft minutes 17:30:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas 17:30:53 q? 17:30:57 ack Souri 17:31:19 Souri: Blank nodes are like local variables 17:31:57 local to a graph, that is 17:32:26 q? 17:33:06 present+ Nuno 17:33:19 present+ Alex_Deleon 17:33:28 RRSAgent, draft minutes 17:33:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas 17:33:29 Souri: I can clarify in the spec 17:34:36 There are discussions on bnode scoping in the RDF WG right now... I think making this clear in the R2RML document would be good 17:34:42 ... we have a warning about blank nodes saying that blank nodes are local to a graph 17:35:02 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-28, not in R2RML but add TC 17:35:08 Richard: Can we gate a test cases for this 17:35:08 +1 17:35:34 +1 17:36:00 RESOLUTION: ISSUE-28 is opened. We need a test case. 17:36:13 ISSUE-29? 17:36:13 ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- raised 17:36:13 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29 17:36:13 Topic: ISSUE-29 17:37:12 Are URIs and blank node identofiers strings? 17:37:39 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-29, will be addressed in R2RML 17:37:40 s/identofiers/identifiers/ 17:37:53 Richard: We need to says something 17:37:59 s/says/say/ 17:38:37 q+ 17:38:43 ack Souri 17:38:54 Richard: can we say it is always cast to a string 17:39:16 +q 17:40:00 Souri: String version of column value is used ... user can specify differently 17:40:04 ack dmcneil 17:41:55 Eric: We can use SQL spec 17:42:13 ACTION: Eric to provide text for ISSUE-29 17:42:13 Created ACTION-105 - Provide text for ISSUE-29 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-03-15]. 17:42:33 RESOLUTION: Issue-29 is opened 17:43:03 Topic: ISSUE-30 17:43:04 ISSUE-30? 17:43:06 ISSUE-30 -- Different blank node identifier than was defined in mapping -- raised 17:43:06 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/30 17:43:48 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-30, write clarification in R2RML 17:45:15 +1 17:45:33 RESOLUTION: Accept ISSUE-30, Editors to write clarification in R2RML 17:45:36 not sure I understand, Richard could you write it please? 17:45:43 ISSUE-31? 17:45:43 ISSUE-31 -- Clarify reference to "blank node label" -- raised 17:45:43 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/31 17:45:48 Topic: ISSUE-31 17:46:12 David: Blank node label or identier 17:46:17 good point 17:46:17 PROPOSAL: Accept ISSUE-31, use 'blank node identifier" in R2RML 17:46:23 betehess has joined #RDB2RDF 17:46:46 RESOLUTION: Accept ISSUE-31, use 'blank node identifier" in R2RML 17:46:58 ISSUE-5? 17:46:58 ISSUE-5 -- Default vs. direct mapping -- open 17:46:58 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/5 17:47:04 Topic: ISSUE-5 17:47:40 anyone have a copy of SQL 2009 ? 17:48:09 +1 for closing it 17:48:12 PROPOSAL: close ISSUE-5 17:48:20 +1 17:48:23 +1 17:48:25 +! 17:48:28 +1 17:48:33 +1 for closing 17:48:56 "default behavior is to use direct mapping..." 17:49:11 RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-5 ... use the term Direct Mapping 17:49:16 close ISSUE-5 17:49:16 ISSUE-5 Default vs. direct mapping closed 17:49:23 ISSUE-7? 17:49:23 ISSUE-7 -- Linked Data aspects for mapping RDB2RDF -- open 17:49:23 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/7 17:49:30 Topic: ISSUE-7 17:51:07 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/LinkedDataAspects 17:51:19 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Entity_disambiguation 17:52:25 Soeren: Let us keep this open 17:53:09 PROPOSAL: Postpone ISSUE-7 and make notes in R2RML 17:55:21 dmcneil, can you point me at the place in r2rml where we need to capture the lexical values of SQL values (re: ACTION-105)? 17:56:32 ACTION: Auer to review R2RML draft and tell editors where notes should be made 17:56:32 Created ACTION-106 - Review R2RML draft and tell editors where notes should be made [on Sören Auer - due 2011-03-15]. 17:57:31 ericP, 3.3.1.1 and 3.6.1.1 17:58:31 Discussion about linked data aspect of generated artifacts 17:58:48 tx, dmcneil 17:59:31 ericP, also 3.3.1.2, 3.6.1.2, 3.2.1.1 (it might make sense to have an umbrella statement that would cover all of these) 18:00:40 ISSUE-8? 18:00:40 ISSUE-8 -- Escaping “{” and “}” in templates -- open 18:00:40 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/8 18:00:49 ISSUE-16? 18:00:49 ISSUE-16 -- Should we allow multiple subjects for a logical table row? Also, what if no subject is specified? -- open 18:00:49 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/16 18:00:58 ISSUE-17? 18:00:58 ISSUE-17 -- R2RML Mapping of a database schema to a given ontology -- open 18:00:58 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/17 18:00:58 Souri: ISSUE-8 is implemented 18:01:07 -EricP 18:01:08 q+ 18:01:29 q? 18:01:51 ack ivan 18:01:54 ack ivan 18:02:24 PROPOSAL: close ISSUE-16 18:02:35 +1 18:02:38 +1 18:02:45 RESOLUTION: ISSUE-16 is closed 18:03:21 PROPOSAL: Postpone ISSUE-17 18:04:21 RESOLUTION: ISSUE-17 is postponed 18:04:58 Topic: Direct Mapping 18:05:01 ACTION-102? 18:05:02 ACTION-102 -- Ted Thibodeau to sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki -- due 2011-03-08 -- OPEN 18:05:02 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/102 18:05:16 ISSUE-8 can be closed 18:06:20 close ISSUE-8 18:06:20 ISSUE-8 Escaping “{” and “}” in templates closed 18:07:08 RRSAgent, draft minutes 18:07:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas 18:07:56 -soeren 18:08:05 q+ 18:08:32 ack juansequeda 18:09:00 Discussion on ACTION-102 18:09:30 -mhausenblas 18:09:32 -Seema 18:09:34 -dmcneil 18:09:36 -Marcelo 18:09:39 [meeting adjourned] 18:09:40 ACTION-102 is ongoing we will discuss next week 18:09:42 -privera 18:09:42 zakim, drop me 18:09:43 Ivan is being disconnected 18:09:43 -Ivan 18:09:50 -boris 18:09:59 -juansequeda 18:10:01 -Souri 18:10:03 -MacTed 18:10:04 -Ashok_Malhotra 18:10:04 SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended 18:10:05 Attendees were MacTed, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, +34.03.5.aaaa, soeren, Ivan, boris, dmcneil, Souri, alexdeleon, privera, nunolopes, Seema, EricP, juansequeda, cygri, 18:10:08 ... +1.562.249.aabb, Marcelo 18:10:20 rrsagent, make minutes 18:10:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html Ashok 18:10:23 trackbot, end telecon 18:10:23 Zakim, list attendees 18:10:23 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 18:10:24 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 18:10:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot 18:10:25 RRSAgent, bye 18:10:25 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf : 18:10:25 ACTION: Eric to provide text for ISSUE-29 [1] 18:10:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-42-13 18:10:25 ACTION: Auer to review R2RML draft and tell editors where notes should be made [2] 18:10:25 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/08-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-56-32