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14:06:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be UW_POI
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14:06:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Points of Interest Working Group Teleconference
14:06:18 <trackbot> Date: 09 February 2011
14:09:57 <Andy> Usman: Pachube giving an overview
14:10:17 <Andy> Zakim, who is on the phone
14:10:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Andy
14:10:57 <cperey> does someone want to take that?
14:11:10 <cperey> data broker
14:11:28 <cperey> variety of formats and devices, converting in real time into format that variety of technologies can deal with
14:11:42 <cperey> buildng a massively scalable system, to that end, most effort in the back end infrastructure
14:11:54 <Gary> Did the agenda (and deck) get resent?
14:11:58 <cperey> at HTTP level, not most efficent transport but most widely available
14:12:11 <cperey> now that we have the back end in place, we are going to begin rolling more efficient transport
14:12:31 <cperey> but the thing we are trying to do in teh M2M world is to look at both real time and historical data 
14:12:46 <cperey> to make it as easy as possible for any industry, any one to be able to access the datea
14:13:03 <cperey> thousands of develoeprs and engineers who have build applications and share these back with the community
14:13:11 <cperey> e.g., embedable broths
14:13:15 <cperey> bras?
14:13:28 <cperey> graph
14:13:29 <Andy> Zakim, who is on?
14:13:29 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Andy.
14:13:51 <Andy> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:13:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, +1.312.265.aaaa, +1.919.439.aabb, +44.750.800.aacc, +1.617.848.aadd, ??P12
14:13:58 <cperey> share this as a widget back, includes SMS alerts, converts energy feeds into real tiime carbon footprints
14:14:15 <cperey> all sorts of discovery processes, search for data stream,s units, tags, slide through view of the globe
14:14:22 <cperey> huge range of applications and tools
14:14:29 <cperey> in terms of user base, three types of users
14:14:33 <ahill2> Sounds like pachube is the google of numbers
14:14:42 <cperey> on the one hand everyone is doing something, not simply consuming the data
14:14:57 <cperey> and we can deal withindividuals, companies who use more sophisticated servcies, and even cities
14:15:07 <cperey> city managers can patrol/control private data and make it available 
14:15:15 <cperey> third parties or citizens of the city
14:15:28 <cperey> commercial clients include Current Costs and Cisco (uses the API for ecomap)
14:15:41 <cperey> essentially Pachube acts as real time data broker for all sorts of applications
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14:16:08 <cperey> contextual data has more valuable than any of the data stream data
14:16:25 <cperey> data stream might be a time series of changing numbers, but the contextual meta data helps you figure out the sensor
14:16:43 <cperey> where by using machine tagging you can refer to external data (sensorML)
14:16:56 <cperey> where you could actually develop your own data or refer to existing taxonomies
14:17:11 <cperey> and we handle the obvious meta data, Geo Location, things like that
14:17:22 <ahill2> what about processing and aggregating this data on clients and then submitting to Pachube
14:17:23 <cperey> you could consider this a stepping stone to semantic Web applications sensor data
14:17:35 <ahill2> q
14:17:36 <cperey> Any specific Questions about either back end, how it works or anything else?
14:17:45 <cperey> I'm passing the scribing to Andy now?
14:18:06 <kseiler> q
14:18:06 <cperey> AHill: the Internet is not going to rely on centralized services
14:18:09 <Andy> sure
14:18:14 <cperey> when is Pachube going to be somethingin the system?
14:18:18 <cperey> go for it!
14:18:18 <Andy> thanks Christine
14:18:24 <cperey> openSIM
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14:18:52 <cperey> your own universe to populate
14:18:53 <Andy> Usman: OpenSim is something I am interested . open source of secondlife server
14:19:11 <Andy> would like to see the same peer to peer system to pachube system
14:19:32 <Andy> Agree that single point of failure would be bad
14:20:34 <Gary> Are we going to get the deck? It would really help add context to what's being talked about
14:20:57 <ahill2> Andy, can you mute while typing?
14:21:37 <Andy> Usman: Answering a karl question on overlap, sees the overlap being that each sensor having a location etc
14:23:46 <ahill2> living or dead
14:24:19 <Andy> Usman: What additional meta data would want to be added? uncertainity is not in there but could be added
14:25:42 <ahill2> +1 for Karls suggestion
14:25:45 <Andy> Karl: Format converter aspect may be very useful to our group. 
14:26:55 <Andy> Usman: JSON and XML formats can be converted on fly
14:28:07 <ahill2> q+
14:28:41 <Andy> Usman: Data Model, environment is one author perspective
14:28:47 <Andy> it may or mat have description
14:28:53 <Andy> does have to have an id and title
14:29:07 <Andy> enviroment is the wrapper. and tags like flickr tages
14:29:14 <ahill2> Does environment=namespace?
14:29:17 <Andy> s/tages/tags/
14:30:08 <Andy> it will have units and id and again tags which can be arbitary or machine tags
14:30:31 <Andy> The data model supports the nesting of various enviroment
14:31:13 <Andy> Karl, Does pachube take responsibility of id management
14:32:02 <Andy> Environment Id is unique in the pachube system
14:32:36 <Andy> Environment is not equivalent to a namespace. Enviroment is a feed
14:32:46 <Andy> namespace comes into play with tags
14:35:24 <Andy> ahill: Subject of XMPP was mentioned. what does xmpp mean to pachube
14:35:55 <Andy> ben: responds XMPP is an interesting protocol but there isnt alot of user pull yet
14:36:50 <Andy> XMPP for realtime notification but pachube has achieved many of the same things via web sockets
14:37:30 <Andy> Many of pachube use case come from ease of startup and also lower power use cases
14:38:39 <Andy> ahill: what about VRPN? virtual reality peripheral network
14:38:55 <Andy> Popular in research labs
14:40:30 <kseiler> did they say they were supporting change based filtering
14:42:21 <Gary> (need to hang up ... something's come up)
14:42:27 <Zakim> - +44.750.800.aacc
14:43:31 <kseiler> interesting stuff
14:43:47 <ahill2> thanks guys
14:43:52 <kseiler> did we happen to have contacts distributed
14:44:50 <Andy> Cperey: Timestamping is a big parallel between each system
14:45:08 <kseiler> would like to have a NAVTEQ biz side followup with these folks, some useful tech for us right now
14:48:39 <Andy> ahill: is it just the values or also the metadata timestamped
14:49:07 <Andy> Ben: it is just the values now but likely changed in the future to include metadata
14:49:31 <Andy> Cpery: the metadata is where we will likely collaborate
14:49:51 <Andy> s/Cpery/Cperey
14:50:10 <Andy> rssagent, draft minutes
14:50:13 <bjpirt> For reference, our API can be seen at http://api.pachube.com/v2
14:50:32 <Andy> RRSagent, draft minutes
14:50:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/09-poiwg-minutes.html Andy
14:50:46 <cperey> I think this might have been sent out to the list as well
14:53:15 <kseiler> i think we need to investigate their meta-data representations on tiered ownership, and history / change tracking models
14:53:46 <cperey> +1 KSeiler
14:53:48 <kseiler> some good lessons learned from sensor monitoring background
14:56:37 <cperey> No
14:56:40 <cperey> not me either!
14:56:57 <kseiler> did not see it
14:57:26 <Zakim> -??P0
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15:03:00 <Zakim> - +1.919.439.aabb
15:03:01 <Zakim> - +1.617.848.aadd
15:03:02 <Zakim> -??P12
15:03:02 <Zakim> UW_POI(POIWG)9:00AM has ended
15:03:03 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.312.265.aaaa, +1.919.439.aabb, +44.750.800.aacc, +1.617.848.aadd
15:03:16 <Andy> RRSagent, draft minutes
15:03:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/09-poiwg-minutes.html Andy
15:03:26 <Andy> trackbot, end meeting
15:03:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:03:26 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:03:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:03:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/09-poiwg-minutes.html trackbot
15:03:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:03:28 <RRSAgent> I see no action items