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16:45:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:45:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
16:45:37 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:45:37 <trackbot> Date: 08 February 2011
16:45:45 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:45:49 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Feb/0039.html
16:45:58 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ashok
16:46:04 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Nuno
16:46:09 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Seema
16:46:15 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Alexandre
16:46:21 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Richard
16:46:26 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:46:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:46:31 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:57:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
16:57:00 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is
16:59:08 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
16:59:15 <Zakim> + +1.314.394.aaaa
16:59:35 <juansequeda> mhausenblas, I might not be able to call in. So I'll be just *listening* through irc
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17:00:09 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
17:00:32 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is dmcneil 
17:00:32 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
17:00:49 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
17:00:49 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas
17:00:51 <Zakim> +??P5
17:00:58 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P5 is soeren 
17:00:58 <Zakim> +soeren; got it
17:01:11 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:01:11 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:01:12 <Zakim> +Ivan
17:01:36 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aabb
17:01:40 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:01:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:01:43 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-415
17:01:43 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
17:01:44 <Zakim> +EricP
17:01:53 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is MacTed 
17:01:53 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:02:05 <Zakim> +??P17
17:02:24 <privera> Zakim, ??P17 is privera
17:02:24 <Zakim> +privera; got it
17:02:37 <Zakim> + +49.133.6.aacc
17:02:38 <privera> Zakim, mute me
17:02:38 <Zakim> privera should now be muted
17:02:45 <MacTed> Zakim, MacTed is OpenLink_Software
17:02:45 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
17:02:45 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:02:46 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:02:49 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is boris 
17:02:49 <Zakim> +boris; got it
17:03:04 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:03:04 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
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17:04:03 <mhausenblas> scribenick: ericP 
17:04:20 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
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17:04:23 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:04:39 <boris> +1
17:04:39 <ericP> +1
17:04:57 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
17:05:06 <Souri> aadd is me
17:05:07 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is Souri 
17:05:08 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
17:05:30 <ericP> RESOLVED: http://www.w3.org/2011/02/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html is a record of the last meeting
17:06:04 <ericP> mhausenblas: SemTech session not accepted
17:06:08 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2011/03/w3c-track.html
17:06:18 <ericP> ... can we exploit the W3C track at WWW2011?
17:06:51 <ericP> ivan: W3C has to pick two major topics for the track. those have already been announced
17:07:30 <ericP> ... you can ask mcf, but at WWW2010, both days were consumed by the two announced topics
17:07:43 <ericP> ... i plan to be at WWW2011, happy to jump in
17:08:07 <mhausenblas> ACTION: mhausenb to ask Marie-Claire Forgue if there is a chance to present or discuss RDB2RDF at the W3C track at WWW2011
17:08:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Ask Marie-Claire Forgue if there is a chance to present or discuss RDB2RDF at the W3C track at WWW2011 [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2011-02-15].
17:08:16 <ericP> ... perhaps a workshop has a slot for an e.g. panel
17:08:32 <Zakim> -soeren
17:09:03 <Zakim> +??P5
17:09:15 <soeren> zakim, ??P5 is soeren
17:09:15 <Zakim> +soeren; got it
17:09:37 <ericP> mhausenblas: would be happy to have an RDB2RDF sandwich board
17:10:35 <ericP> ACTION: ivan, mhausenblas to investigate alternatives at SemTech
17:10:35 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ivan,
17:10:40 <mhausenblas> Topic: R2RML status 
17:10:58 <ericP> ACTION: ivan to investigate alternatives at SemTech
17:10:58 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - ivan
17:10:58 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ivan, imikhail)
17:11:34 <ericP> ACTION: herman to investigate alternatives at SemTech
17:11:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Investigate alternatives at SemTech [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-02-15].
17:11:48 <mhausenblas> ACTION-92?
17:11:48 <trackbot> ACTION-92 -- Richard Cyganiak to address the R2RML - DM connection -- due 2011-02-08 -- OPEN
17:11:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/92
17:12:01 <mhausenblas> ACTION-93?
17:12:01 <trackbot> ACTION-93 -- Souripriya Das to identify not-mapping vs. default-mapping issues in R2RML/DM (Wiki or via mail) -- due 2011-02-08 -- OPEN
17:12:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/93
17:12:23 <ericP> Souri: some progress
17:12:43 <Souri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Use_of_Direct_Mapping_in_R2RML
17:13:13 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Use_of_Direct_Mapping_in_R2RML Use of Direct Mapping in R2RML
17:13:46 <ericP> Souri: say we have triples map with a subject map and one or more predicate object maps
17:14:11 <ericP> ... it becomes tedious to list PO maps for each column
17:14:55 <ivan> q+
17:15:37 <Zakim> -EricP
17:16:04 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:16:13 <Zakim> +EricP
17:16:38 <Zakim> -EricP
17:16:57 <Zakim> +EricP
17:17:10 <Zakim> -EricP
17:17:33 <ivan> q+
17:17:50 <mhausenblas> q?
17:17:53 <ivan> q-
17:18:03 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas 
17:18:11 <Zakim> +EricP
17:18:23 <mhausenblas> Michael: fine, let's give Souri a bit more time to flesh out details
17:19:00 <mhausenblas> Ivan: I think Michael and Souri are talking about the same thing (continuum from DM to full R2RML)
17:19:22 <ericP> soeren: would like to see a directive to enable default mapping
17:19:30 <mhausenblas> scribenick: ericP 
17:19:34 <ericP> soeren: would like to see a directive to enable default mapping
17:19:38 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:19:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:20:09 <ericP> Souri: looking at bullet one, PO maps include direct mapping
17:20:27 <ericP> ... second bullet includes r2rml:exclude
17:21:05 <ericP> ... third bullet has r2rml:includes -- start empty and include explicitly include columns
17:21:30 <mhausenblas> ACTION-96?
17:21:30 <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Richard Cyganiak to capture this (multiple subject maps) and other (future) potential error cases in the Wiki (ISSUE-16) -- due 2011-02-08 -- OPEN
17:21:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/96
17:21:32 <ericP> mhausenblas: action remains open
17:21:41 <mhausenblas> ACTION-97?
17:21:41 <trackbot> ACTION-97 -- Richard Cyganiak to look into D2RQ implementation and update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Entity_disambiguation -- due 2011-02-08 -- OPEN
17:21:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/97
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17:22:29 <ericP> Souri: in the last meeting, we discussed blank nodes in the direct mapping
17:22:37 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
17:22:37 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
17:22:39 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-9?
17:22:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Generate Blank Nodes for duplicate tuples -- open
17:22:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/9
17:22:43 <ericP> ... stimulated discussion
17:22:49 <boris_> why we don't collect all the possibilities on a wiki page? (regarding blank nodes)
17:22:59 <ericP> s/stimulated discussion/stimulated email discussion/
17:23:00 <soeren> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/9
17:23:49 <ivan> q+
17:23:56 <MacTed> q+
17:24:03 <ericP> soeren: i have the impression that we are divided on bnodes
17:24:41 <ericP> q+ to ask how non-repeatable "persistent" identifiers can be used
17:24:55 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:25:05 <mhausenblas> q+ to remind on our charter
17:25:08 <ericP> soeren: some don't want them for linked data reasons
17:25:24 <ericP> ivan: i feel we should remain as we have it
17:25:39 <ericP> ... direct mapping philosophy assumes another layer of massage
17:26:05 <ericP> ... if i want to push data into an LD environment, the second stage can take care of it
17:26:19 <mhausenblas> q?
17:26:31 <ericP> ... if we eliminate bnodes, it will be complicated to generate URIs for what are currently bnodes
17:27:01 <ericP> ... 'cause we need to communicate to folks (via e.g. url scheme) that this node is effectively a bnode
17:27:38 <boris_> yes
17:27:43 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed
17:27:55 <ericP> mhausenblas, has this anything to do with r2rml?
17:28:34 <ericP> MacTed: guidance around bnodes is that we want to avoid them 'cause they cause trouble down the line
17:29:04 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
17:29:04 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask how non-repeatable "persistent" identifiers can be used
17:29:10 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:29:10 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:29:12 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
17:29:27 <mhausenblas> ericP: in the relational model we have IDs for tupels
17:29:41 <mhausenblas> ... using PK to identify a tuple
17:30:06 <mhausenblas> ... if we have some data via DM and we advertise some IDs other than the PK, it might no longer be valid
17:30:34 <mhausenblas> ... so we have a unreliable URI if tuple changes
17:30:38 <ivan> +1 to Eric
17:31:08 <mhausenblas> ericP:  so bNodes are the only reliable mechanism for tuples that might change
17:31:11 <mhausenblas> q?
17:31:44 <mhausenblas> ericP: so, I'm all for preserving the current status
17:31:46 <MacTed> q+
17:32:02 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
17:32:02 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
17:32:20 <ericP> mhausenblas: our charter says we have to be linked-data-friendly
17:32:34 <mhausenblas> q?
17:32:38 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
17:32:56 <mhausenblas> scribenick: ericP 
17:32:57 <ericP> MacTed: there is a temporality to RDB-contained data
17:33:05 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:33:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:33:49 <ericP> ... the graphs captured should reflect that temporarility
17:33:54 <ivan> q+
17:34:00 <mhausenblas> ack me
17:34:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to remind on our charter
17:34:02 <mhausenblas> q?
17:34:15 <ericP> ericP: but these syntehtic identifiers can't be used
17:34:35 <Souri> q+
17:34:58 <ericP> MacTed: you can have a document which describes this identifer, giving a time windows
17:35:25 <mhausenblas> q?
17:35:27 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:35:27 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:35:31 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:35:32 <Zakim> -soeren
17:35:56 <ericP> ivan: blank nodes issue came up at RDFNext
17:36:02 <Zakim> +??P4
17:36:06 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ted to sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki
17:36:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki [on Ted Thibodeau - due 2011-02-15].
17:36:11 <ivan> http://bnode.w3.org/UUID-based-ID
17:36:13 <soeren> zakim, +??P4 is soeren
17:36:13 <Zakim> sorry, soeren, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4'
17:36:19 <ericP> ... david booth proposed a URI scheme for anonymous nodes
17:36:28 <soeren> zakim, ??P4 is soeren
17:36:28 <Zakim> +soeren; got it
17:36:42 <ericP> ... if a client sees that URI, they can dereference it but get something which which isn't very informative
17:36:57 <MacTed> that is a potentially viable suggestion...
17:37:03 <ericP> ... if we want to do this, we have to precisely define this URI scheme
17:37:10 <MacTed> much like the canonical variable names -- foo, bar, blat, thud...
17:37:11 <mhausenblas> q?
17:37:16 <mhausenblas> ack Souri
17:37:52 <ericP> Souri: some RDBs have a persistent identifier, e.g. Oracle's rowid
17:38:08 <ericP> ... but what if the table gets moved? we can't use it as an identifer anymore
17:38:23 <ericP> ... but we need to communicate that it may suddenly disappear
17:38:27 <Souri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Feb/0035.html
17:38:34 <ericP> ... i.e. that it's not so reliable
17:38:54 <ericP> ... i tried to compare the bnode and the synthetic URI cases
17:39:31 <ericP> ... if we're returning this URI based on a uniqe sequence number from a query, or returning a bnode, neither can be used again
17:39:47 <ivan> zakim, mute me
17:39:47 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
17:39:55 <ericP> q+ to ask what is the motivation to assign URIs which we can't re-use?
17:40:04 <mhausenblas> q?
17:40:10 <MacTed> that also covers the temporal nature
17:40:12 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
17:40:12 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask what is the motivation to assign URIs which we can't re-use?
17:40:17 <ivan> I think that Souri's description is indeed close to David's approach
17:41:39 <ivan> q+
17:41:43 <ericP> ericP: if we don't have an identifier for a row, why do we want to pretend we have an identifier
17:41:49 <ericP> mhausenblas: need to work out in use cases
17:41:49 <ivan> ack ivan
17:41:50 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:42:23 <ericP> ivan: besides saying "we don't want blank nodes 'cause the linked data doesn't like them", we need more arguments
17:42:54 <ericP> ... on the wiki page [mhausenblas's request], we need use cases
17:44:31 <mhausenblas> Michael: some if not all of our use cases (http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-rdb2rdf-ucr-20100608/) require to have linkable resources
17:44:35 <ericP> ... i understand that in many cases i prefer to use an identifier
17:45:08 <ericP> soeren: perhaps a compromise is to allow one to use a rowid if there is one
17:45:22 <mhausenblas> q?
17:45:47 <ivan> q+
17:45:59 <Souri> q+
17:46:02 <mhausenblas> q+ to propose a solution
17:46:07 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:46:46 <ericP> ivan: Souri came up with a schems with an R2RML with exceptions
17:47:11 <Souri> +1
17:47:18 <mhausenblas> ack Souri
17:47:19 <ericP> ... so can't i create a mapping which defines only row (subject) identifiers, they can do it in five lines
17:47:34 <MacTed> default bnode?  danger lies ahead...
17:47:48 <ericP> Souri: yes, you can create a logical table using the rowid
17:48:08 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The DM does not try to define URI-creation, this is topic of and must be done via R2RML
17:48:10 <mhausenblas> q?
17:48:15 <mhausenblas> ack me
17:48:15 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose a solution
17:48:25 <ericP> ... per ivan's point, you can create a tiny mapping which is 99% direct mapping
17:49:04 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The DM does not try to define URI-creation when there is no PK, this is topic of and must be done via R2RML
17:49:15 <ericP> +1
17:49:17 <ivan> +1
17:49:48 <ericP> ',' should be a';'
17:50:09 <MacTed> +1, with eric's change
17:50:09 <MacTed> :-)
17:50:09 <dmcneil> q+
17:50:30 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
17:50:57 <MacTed> in fact, it's true -- PK is also temporal...
17:51:01 <ericP> dmcneil, why is the URI creation when there isn't a PK so differnt from when there is one
17:51:13 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
17:51:13 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
17:51:14 <ericP> dmcneil: why is the URI creation when there isn't a PK so differnt from when there is one?
17:51:18 <mhausenblas> q?
17:51:29 <ivan> zakim, mute me
17:51:29 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
17:51:40 <MacTed> q+
17:52:02 <mhausenblas> q?
17:52:44 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
17:53:54 <ericP> MacTed: PK can change over time
17:54:08 <Souri> pkey change implies a resource disappears, a new resource appears => not much we can do about it
17:54:35 <ericP> soeren: so ericP is assuming that PKs are stable and MacTed is assuming they're not
17:54:46 <boris_> nothing lasts forever
17:54:55 <ericP> mhausenblas: if you want to have reliable URIs, we need to use R2RML
17:55:43 <ericP> MacTed: if you push URIs out of DM into R2RML, you've killed DM
17:56:10 <ericP> ... PK may be defined in the schema or interprated in the application layer
17:56:24 <ericP> ... every DB has to have a row id, but it doesn't have to expose them
17:56:50 <ericP> ... in my perfect world, there are attributes which are valid at a point in time
17:57:07 <privera> zakim, who is noise?
17:57:07 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, privera.
17:57:15 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's making noise?
17:57:26 <Zakim> mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: soeren (32%), MacTed (63%)
17:57:29 <ericP> ... there's a named graph associated with the identifer and the named graph is valid for a given time
17:57:39 <soeren> zakim, mute me
17:57:39 <Zakim> soeren should now be muted
17:58:06 <ivan> zakim, mute me
17:58:06 <Zakim> Ivan was already muted, ivan
17:58:46 <ericP> mhausenblas: resolution requires MacTed's response to action 102
17:58:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION-102?
17:58:51 <trackbot> ACTION-102 -- Ted Thibodeau to sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki -- due 2011-02-15 -- OPEN
17:58:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/102
17:59:00 <MacTed> ACTION-102?
17:59:00 <trackbot> Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
17:59:06 <MacTed> silly scroll...
17:59:50 <mhausenblas> Topic: Test Cases
17:59:52 <mhausenblas> http://this-db-really.does-not-exist.org/
18:00:04 <boris_> thanks again Eric!
18:00:16 <ericP> ADJOURNED
18:00:40 <ivan> zakim, drop me
18:00:40 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
18:00:42 <Zakim> -Ivan
18:00:42 <ericP> next meeting: next week, next chair: ashok
18:00:47 <ericP> Zakim, please draft minutes
18:00:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please draft minutes', ericP
18:00:48 <Zakim> -Souri
18:00:48 <Zakim> -privera
18:00:56 <Zakim> -soeren
18:01:06 <mhausenblas> Michael: regrets for the next two meetings (on travel)
18:01:07 <Zakim> -dmcneil
18:01:13 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:01:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:01:26 <ericP> The DM does not try to define URI-creation when there is no PK, this is topic of and  must be done via R2RML
18:01:38 <ericP> http://this-db-really.does-not-exist.org/
18:01:59 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
18:01:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:01:59 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.314.394.aaaa, mhausenblas, dmcneil, soeren, Ivan, +1.781.273.aabb, EricP, privera, +49.133.6.aacc, MacTed, boris, +1.603.897.aadd, Souri
18:02:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:02:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
18:02:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:02:01 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
18:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mhausenb to ask Marie-Claire Forgue if there is a chance to present or discuss RDB2RDF at the W3C track at WWW2011 [1]
18:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-08-07
18:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ivan, mhausenblas to investigate alternatives at SemTech [2]
18:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-10-35
18:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ivan to investigate alternatives at SemTech [3]
18:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-10-58
18:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: herman to investigate alternatives at SemTech [4]
18:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-11-34
18:02:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ted to sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki [5]
18:02:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/08-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-36-06