IRC log of html-a11y on 2011-02-03

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logging to
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 03 February 2011
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
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regrets: Laura_Carlson, Denis_Boudreau
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Zakim, code?
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the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.203.318.0479), MikeSmith
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zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see John_Foliot, Eric_Carlson, ??P55, ??P54
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zakim, ??P54 is Janina_Sajka
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+Janina_Sajka; got it
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zakim, ??P55 is Steve_Faulkner
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zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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+Steve_Faulkner; got it
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+paulc; got it
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zakim, ??P16 is Marco_Ranon
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+Marco_Ranon; got it
16:04:28 [MichaelC]
zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see John_Foliot, Eric_Carlson, Steve_Faulkner, Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, Dave_Pawson, [Microsoft], Marco_Ranon, Cynthia_Shelly
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[Microsoft] has paulc
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zakim, Marco is unknown
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+unknown; got it
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zakim, Dave_Pawson is Marco_Ranon
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+Marco_Ranon; got it
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zakim, unknown is Mike_Smith
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+Mike_Smith; got it
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Topic: bug triage subteam report
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scribe: Marco_Ranon
16:08:40 [Marco_Ranon]
we checked bugs with need info and contribuited where possible or ressigned to the reporters
16:09:09 [Marco_Ranon]
in some cases we need the TF help
16:09:21 [MikeSmith]
16:10:43 [Stevef]
16:11:11 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: we need to think of a case for making detail focusable
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ack Stevef
16:12:58 [Marco_Ranon]
SF: there should be a way to provide a clickable label for the disclosure widget
16:13:02 [MikeSmith]
16:14:17 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: this is an example of how it should work. is that clear in the specs?
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MS: who should follow up?
16:14:53 [MikeSmith]
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16:16:03 [Marco_Ranon]
SF: RS and I disagrre on this. But I will follow up.
16:16:32 [MikeSmith]
"The first container is expected to contain at least one line box, and that line box is expected to contain a disclosure widget (typically a triangle), horizontally positioned within the left padding of the details element. That widget is expected to allow the user to request that the details be shown or hidden."
16:16:36 [Marco_Ranon]
SF: is it a priority?
16:17:18 [MichaelC]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate MichaelC
16:18:47 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: not actively implemented, to be checked
16:18:59 [MikeSmith]
16:19:46 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: Ian is expecting a proposal
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MS: we should get an implementer to comment.
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MS: who can we ask to?
16:20:30 [MikeSmith]
16:20:59 [Marco_Ranon]
SF: I'll ping RS to check if this is still relevant
16:21:09 [Marco_Ranon]
zakim, mute me
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Marco_Ranon should now be muted
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16:22:12 [MikeSmith]
16:23:55 [Marco_Ranon]
RS: should I add more info? we can do it with a ARIA, but we don't have the full solution
16:25:37 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: please discuss this with the reevant people and in the meantime add a comment to the bug.
16:26:12 [MikeSmith]
16:27:33 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: can we expect Gregory to pick up on this?
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JF: i can ping gregory
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16:28:40 [Marco_Ranon]
MC: Everett is probably not going to follow up
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MS: we asked Gez Lemon to folow up
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MC: assign to GL to either close or provide more info
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16:30:02 [MikeSmith]
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MC: do the TF want to take this up in relation to longdesc?
16:32:15 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: one comment to add to the bug could be that we are looking at this in relation with longdesc
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MC: do we need to reassign it to Leif?
16:33:19 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: Yes
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16:34:09 [Marco_Ranon]
zakim, unmute me
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Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
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zakim, mute me
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Marco_Ranon should now be muted
16:34:59 [MikeSmith]
16:35:02 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: new bug. not a priority for the TF probably
16:35:55 [Marco_Ranon]
MS: I can send a message to the list to alert the WG
16:37:28 [Marco_Ranon]
SF: do we know how to resolve this issue between ARIA and HTML specs?
16:38:25 [Marco_Ranon]
SF: if we wait well need to rise a LC issue
16:39:24 [Marco_Ranon]
MC: no changes in bugzilla yet
16:40:01 [Marco_Ranon]
TOPIC: media subteam
16:40:22 [Stevef]
miksmith: note behaviour in mac for disclosure widgets is only the little triangle to take clicks
16:41:28 [Stevef]
MikeSmith: so ability to label is important, also any control needs to be labelable full stop
16:41:40 [Marco_Ranon]
JF: we are looking into a new timestamp format used a lot but not in the HTML5 radar
16:41:59 [Stevef]
MikeSmith: and its not currently
16:42:49 [Marco_Ranon]
JF: we need to deal with multi content (subtiteles, etc) which is live discussion
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ack JF
16:50:25 [Marco_Ranon]
Topic: ARIA Mapping
16:51:13 [MikeSmith]
s/MikeSmith:/MikeSmith, /g
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SF: we need to understand what needs to go into the specs
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SF: the API doc is in progress by I need help
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SF: i need input from implementors
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MS: anyone in TF can help? how can we help?
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i am being skype f*cked
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ack richardschwerdtfe
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16:58:18 [Marco_Ranon]
zakim, mute me
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Marco_Ranon.a should now be muted
16:58:49 [paulc]
Leaving for HTML WG Weekly call.
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zakim, unmute me
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Marco_Ranon.a should no longer be muted
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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were John_Foliot, Eric_Carlson, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Steve_Faulkner, paulc, Cynthia_Shelly, Marco_Ranon, Mike_Smith, kliehm, Rich, [IPcaller]
17:03:21 [Marco_Ranon]
rrsagent, create minutes
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I have made the request to generate Marco_Ranon
17:26:45 [richardschwerdtfe]
ok. I updated Bug
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17:32:05 [MikeSmith]
richardschwerdtfe, thanks
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