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14:54:05 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
14:54:05 <Zakim> "I18N" matches I18N_WG(MLW)10:00AM, and I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM, aphillip
14:54:16 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N_Core
14:54:16 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:28 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:54:28 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:54:35 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:55:01 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Jan/0007.html
14:55:12 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group
14:55:19 <aphillip> Chair:   Addison Phillips
14:55:26 <aphillip> Scribe:  Addison Phillips
14:55:34 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:55:49 <aphillip> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:55:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:56:06 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:56:12 <aphillip> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:56:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:57:18 <aphillip> agenda+ UTR#20
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14:59:32 <Zakim> +??P3
14:59:47 <r12a-mac> Regrets: David
14:59:53 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
15:00:34 <r12a-mac> zakim, dial richard please
15:00:34 <Zakim> ok, r12a-mac; the call is being made
15:00:36 <Zakim> +Richard
15:01:17 <r12a-mac> zakim,  who's here ?
15:01:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gwyneth, Felix (muted), Addison_Phillips, Richard
15:01:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, Gwyneth, r12a-mac, kennyluck, trackbot
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15:03:30 <Zakim> +??P20
15:03:51 <Zakim> +??P9
15:04:28 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
15:05:13 <aphillip> kenny: also one more issue
15:05:20 <aphillip> ... for bidi
15:05:37 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:58 <aphillip> Change the language tags article to say that now there is an extension defined, and describe it briefly
15:06:17 <aphillip> richard: may roll into some general changes we need
15:06:29 <aphillip> 	Check on HTML5 language tag validator and send any comments
15:06:44 <aphillip> agendum: Issue-88
15:07:03 <fsasaki> me
15:07:16 <aphillip> Open new issue on HTML5 to make bidi-related default stylesheet items normative (separate from merely presentational stuff)
15:07:45 <aphillip> close ACTION-11
15:07:45 <trackbot> ACTION-11 Open new issue on HTML5 to make bidi-related default stylesheet items normative (separate from merely presentational stuff) closed
15:08:02 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:08:24 <kennyluck> -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/UShouldBeConforming make u conforming
15:08:29 <aphillip> kenny: writing a proposal about making <u> conforming
15:08:43 <aphillip> ... very weird to have <i> and <b> but not <u>
15:12:59 <r12a-mac> let's make an agenda item
15:13:42 <aphillip> richard: just been joined by Kojii Ishi
15:13:51 <aphillip> ... co-editor of writing-modes CSS3 module
15:13:58 <aphillip> ... just now today joined us
15:14:49 <aphillip> Topic: CSS and/or Bidi issues
15:15:44 <aphillip> Topic: UTR#20
15:16:14 <aphillip> richard: was at Unicode editorial committee meeting
15:16:25 <aphillip> Unicode in XML and Markup Languages
15:16:47 <aphillip> http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr20/
15:17:01 <aphillip> "somebody needs to updates it, but who?"
15:17:26 <aphillip> proposed that we refresh the document, fix refs to Unicode 6, fix links and typos
15:17:38 <aphillip> ... and it'll take longer for them to refresh it
15:17:52 <aphillip> ... and then do substantive changes, such as bidi work
15:23:16 <aphillip> ACTION: richard to locate the UTR#20 source materials
15:23:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Locate the UTR#20 source materials [on Richard Ishida - due 2011-02-02].
15:24:36 <aphillip> Topic: Timezones doc
15:24:48 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/WorkingWithTimeZones
15:25:11 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2011Jan/0006.html
15:25:44 <aphillip> richard: did my notes in a way that I can't read any more <g>
15:27:56 <aphillip> start with intro that says that guidelines exist at bottom; etc
15:29:08 <aphillip> richard: how are we going to publish: as note, article, or what?
15:30:12 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/timezone/
15:30:22 <aphillip> addison: as a Note
15:31:04 <aphillip> norbert: talk more about calendars, especially observational calendars
15:31:23 <aphillip> ... need some reference to the calendar to handle observational calendar changes
15:34:35 <aphillip> addison: ready for wide review?
15:35:52 <aphillip> richard: will put comments directly into wiki
15:35:56 <aphillip> ... will do this evening
15:36:04 <aphillip> ... and then you can publish it directly after
15:37:22 <aphillip> ... publish in wiki form
15:38:04 <aphillip> ... restore references first
15:38:34 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: publish time zone note draft in wiki form for wide review
15:38:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Publish time zone note draft in wiki form for wide review [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-02-02].
15:39:05 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:39:31 <aphillip> richard: mention that looking through email...
15:39:52 <aphillip> ... and realized that a lot of i18n-related stuff going on in CSS
15:40:03 <aphillip> ... ruby, vertical text, and other text related items
15:40:51 <aphillip> ... may need to track
15:41:21 <aphillip> ... just keep an eye on it
15:41:41 <aphillip> norbert: another list with lots of work is ECMAScript
15:41:49 <aphillip> ... google and microsoft are very active
15:43:40 <aphillip> addison: not sure if FF or Opera are involved/aware
15:44:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:47:25 <aphillip> Topic: Widget P&C default locale
15:47:32 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2011JanMar/0014.html
15:48:01 <aphillip> > <widget xmlns = "http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets" >         defaultlocale = "en-us">
15:49:10 <r12a-mac> <widget xmlns = "http://www.w3.org/ns/widgets"
15:49:10 <r12a-mac> >         defaultlocale = "en-us">
15:49:11 <r12a-mac> > 
15:49:11 <r12a-mac> >    <name short="Weather" xml:lang="en-us">
15:49:11 <r12a-mac> >     The Ultimate Weather Widget
15:49:12 <r12a-mac> >    </name>
15:49:13 <r12a-mac> > 
15:49:15 <r12a-mac> >    <name short="Boletim" xml:lang="pt">
15:49:17 <r12a-mac> >     Boletim Metereológico
15:49:19 <r12a-mac> >    </name>
15:49:21 <r12a-mac> > </widget>
15:56:46 <aphillip> We agree that providing a default locale for a Widget is an oversight in the Widget's localization model. The ability to provide multiple languages in the configuration file or in the locales directory structure does not provide the Widget container with clear choice when the runtime language is not one of the languages provided.  Part of this oversight may be due to an expectation that there would be a "default" set of resources present in the Widget. For ex
15:57:42 <aphillip> richard: "yes, much better than xml:lang"... but then also mention the file structures
15:58:27 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: send revised email response proposal about Widgets P&C to list
15:58:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Send revised email response proposal about Widgets P&C to list [on Addison Phillips - due 2011-02-02].
15:58:37 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:59:00 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
15:59:03 <Zakim> -kennyluck
15:59:05 <Zakim> -Norbert
15:59:09 <Zakim> -Felix
15:59:09 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
15:59:10 <Zakim> -Richard
15:59:10 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:59:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Addison_Phillips, Gwyneth, Richard, Norbert, kennyluck
15:59:50 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:59:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:00:30 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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16:00:36 <aphillip> RRSAgent, bye
16:00:36 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:00:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard to locate the UTR#20 source materials [1]
16:00:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-irc#T15-23-16
16:00:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: publish time zone note draft in wiki form for wide review [2]
16:00:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-irc#T15-38-34
16:00:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: send revised email response proposal about Widgets P&C to list [3]
16:00:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-i18n-irc#T15-58-27