IRC log of sparql on 2011-01-18

Timestamps are in UTC.

14:58:02 [RRSAgent]

RRSAgent has joined #sparql

14:58:02 [RRSAgent]

logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/01/18-sparql-irc

14:58:04 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs world

14:58:04 [Zakim]

Zakim has joined #sparql

14:58:06 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be 77277

14:58:06 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

14:58:07 [trackbot]

Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

14:58:07 [trackbot]

Date: 18 January 2011

14:58:08 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be SPARQL

14:58:08 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

14:58:34 [Zakim]

SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

14:58:38 [AndyS]

AndyS has joined #sparql

14:58:41 [Zakim]

+Sandro

14:59:09 [cbuilara]

cbuilara has joined #sparql

14:59:31 [sandro]

sandro has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-18

14:59:49 [Zakim]

+ +34.92.38.aaaa

15:00:05 [Zakim]

+??P21

15:00:09 [ocorby]

zakim, aaaa is me

15:00:09 [Zakim]

+ocorby; got it

15:00:16 [cbuilara]

Zakim, ??P21 is me

15:00:17 [Zakim]

+cbuilara; got it

15:00:20 [Zakim]

+kasei

15:00:34 [MattPerry]

MattPerry has joined #sparql

15:01:17 [Zakim]

+Lee_Feigenbaum

15:01:34 [Zakim]

+ +44.186.528.aabb

15:01:42 [bglimm]

Zakim, +44.186.528.aabb is me

15:01:44 [Zakim]

+bglimm; got it

15:01:51 [bglimm]

Zakim, mute me

15:01:56 [Zakim]

+??P31

15:01:57 [LeeF]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:02:00 [Zakim]

bglimm should now be muted

15:02:03 [AndyS]

zakim, ??P31 is me

15:02:10 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sandro, ocorby, cbuilara, kasei, Lee_Feigenbaum, bglimm (muted), ??P31

15:02:18 [Zakim]

+AndyS; got it

15:02:48 [LeeF]

Scribenick: ocorby

15:03:09 [Zakim]

+AxelPolleres

15:03:14 [Zakim]

+pgearon

15:03:19 [pgearon]

had trouble dialing in, but here now.

15:03:42 [LeeF]

topic: Admin

15:03:43 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-11

15:03:54 [LeeF]

Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-18

15:04:24 [Zakim]

+??P46

15:04:35 [MattPerry]

zakim, p46 is me

15:04:59 [LeeF]

zakim, ??p46 is MattPerry

15:05:28 [Zakim]

sorry, MattPerry, I do not recognize a party named 'p46'

15:05:40 [Zakim]

+MattPerry; got it

15:05:45 [AxelPolleres]

Shall we ask about whether all are ok to go ahead with CONSTRUCT WHERE ?

15:05:57 [pgearon]

I have an issue as well

15:06:20 [LeeF]

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2011-01-11

15:06:28 [LeeF]

Next regular meeting: 2011-01-25 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Sandro)

15:06:56 [LeeF]

topic: Last Call Status

15:07:30 [LeeF]

LeeF: Kendall agreed to review entailment document

15:07:37 [AxelPolleres]

shall we assign an ACTION to Kendall?

15:07:55 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

15:08:21 [AxelPolleres]

(my rationale was to ACTION reviews as soon as docs are ready... which is the case for Entailment)

15:08:26 [LeeF]

ACTION-359: Zhe Wu agreed to review entailment document

15:08:26 [trackbot]

ACTION-359 Find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc notes added

15:08:31 [LeeF]

trackbot, close ACTION-359

15:08:31 [trackbot]

ACTION-359 Find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc closed

15:08:48 [SteveH__]

SteveH__ has joined #sparql

15:09:38 [LeeF]

ACTION: Kendall to review entailment document

15:09:38 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-361 - Review entailment document [on Kendall Clark - due 2011-01-25].

15:09:57 [LeeF]

ACTION: Matt to act as proxy for Zhe Wu's review of entailment document

15:09:58 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt

15:10:01 [LeeF]

ACTION: Matthew to act as proxy for Zhe Wu's review of entailment document

15:10:01 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-362 - Act as proxy for Zhe Wu's review of entailment document [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-01-25].

15:10:38 [Zakim]

+??P56

15:10:44 [SteveH__]

Zakim, ??P56 is me

15:10:46 [LeeF]

subtopic: JSON Results

15:10:47 [Zakim]

+SteveH__; got it

15:11:13 [SteveH]

Zakim, SteveH__ is me

15:11:13 [Zakim]

+SteveH; got it

15:12:41 [AxelPolleres]

axel can solicit some review within DERI

15:13:22 [LeeF]

ACTION: Axel to solicit a DERI reviewer for JSON results document

15:13:22 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-363 - Solicit a DERI reviewer for JSON results document [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-25].

15:13:41 [LeeF]

ACTION: Paul to review JSON results document

15:13:41 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-364 - Review JSON results document [on Paul Gearon - due 2011-01-25].

15:14:03 [kasei]

I notice both result format docs still use "RDF URI Reference" terminology. does this need to be addressed before publication?

15:14:07 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/rdf-sparql-json-res.html

15:14:08 [kasei]

http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-json-res/

15:14:27 [kasei]

right, sorry.

15:15:13 [NickH]

NickH has joined #sparql

15:16:19 [AndyS]

Not global - one occurence in JSON

15:16:24 [AndyS]

:-)

15:18:18 [LeeF]

topic: federated query, silent, and errors

15:18:23 [AlexPassant]

AlexPassant has joined #sparql

15:18:26 [LeeF]

LeeF: are we ok with the discussion on the mailing list?

15:18:46 [LeeF]

cbuilara: I'm happy with ANdy's proposal, and going to implement it in the draft

15:21:08 [LeeF]

LeeF: does having the federated query stuff as its own document make clear that its optional ?

15:21:23 [SteveH]

it does as far as I'm concerned

15:21:28 [bglimm]

I guess that should also been noted in a kind of conformance doc

15:21:29 [AndyS]

Good split - minor => where does BINDING go?

15:22:21 [kasei]

in query, please

15:22:27 [SteveH]

prefer it to be in query doc, if it's the only extra verb insede SERVICE { x }

15:23:24 [LeeF]

LeeF:Is anyone not comfortable with BINDINGS in the query document?

15:23:25 [LeeF]

<silence>

15:23:50 [LeeF]

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-1 by putting BINDINGS in the query document, and leaving the rest of the federated query work as its own specification

15:25:32 [kasei]

+1

15:25:33 [SteveH]

seconded

15:25:36 [Zakim]

+??P58

15:25:46 [LeeF]

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-1 by putting BINDINGS in the query document, and leaving the rest of the federated query work as its own specification

15:25:50 [NickH]

zakim, ??P58 is me

15:25:50 [Zakim]

+NickH; got it

15:25:57 [LeeF]

ISSUE-1: RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-1 by putting BINDINGS in the query document, and leaving the rest of the federated query work as its own specification

15:25:57 [trackbot]

ISSUE-1 How to specify BasicFederatedQuery in a way that acknowledges optional nature of feature & security issues notes added

15:26:03 [LeeF]

trackbot, close ISSUE-1

15:26:04 [trackbot]

ISSUE-1 How to specify BasicFederatedQuery in a way that acknowledges optional nature of feature & security issues closed

15:29:51 [AndyS]

comments?

15:31:19 [AxelPolleres]

Michael Hausenblas (RDB2RDF chair, you might know him) agreed to review JSON-result-format from DERI

15:32:08 [AndyS]

There are some test set bits and pieces - but do they work? I tried a couple and they didn't.

15:32:44 [AndyS]

... so it is a Q of coverage checking not all writing

15:32:52 [LeeF]

trackbot, close ACTION-272

15:32:52 [trackbot]

ACTION-272 Collect some Update test cases and put them in CVS closed

15:33:37 [LeeF]

topic: tests

15:33:49 [LeeF]

LeeF: checking on existing actions

15:33:53 [LeeF]

... related to tests

15:36:12 [LeeF]

topic: MIME type for SPARQL Update

15:36:27 [LeeF]

Paul: I have an action for working the MIME type information into the SPARQL Update document

15:37:00 [LeeF]

LeeF: I think we need to do sometihng with an IETF list ?

15:37:11 [LeeF]

sandro: someone needs to join the mime-types list and put something out there for public review

15:37:49 [LeeF]

here is the link to where it's done in query: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#mediaType

15:38:07 [AndyS]

There are 3 to go this round: update, query, JSON results.

15:38:50 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/#mime

15:38:53 [sandro]

-> http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype Register an Internet Media Type for a W3C Spec

15:41:08 [AndyS]

?? We didn't finish registration of SPARQL XML results last time.

15:41:17 [LeeF]

ACTION: Andy to add MIME type section to JSON results format document

15:41:18 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-365 - Add MIME type section to JSON results format document [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-01-25].

15:41:43 [AndyS]

It's in the JSON results do.

15:41:48 [AndyS]

It's in the JSON results doc.

15:42:01 [AndyS]

If formatting needs tweaking, let me know.

15:42:01 [LeeF]

trackbot, close ACTION-365

15:42:01 [trackbot]

ACTION-365 Add MIME type section to JSON results format document closed

15:42:29 [LeeF]

ACTION: Lee to remind Sandro about registering JSON & Update MIME types, and checking on the Query and XML format status

15:42:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-366 - Remind Sandro about registering JSON & Update MIME types, and checking on the Query and XML format status [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-25].

15:44:57 [AxelPolleres]

you can give me an action to look into JSON result format for tests... (won't prioritise it high, but if I get to it)

15:45:11 [LeeF]

ACTION: Axel to look into testing JSON result format

15:45:11 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-367 - Look into testing JSON result format [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-25].

15:45:29 [LeeF]

LeeF: areas we need to cover for SPARQL 1.1 query testing?

15:45:32 [LeeF]

+ aggregates

15:45:37 [LeeF]

* aggregates

15:45:43 [LeeF]

* property paths

15:45:47 [LeeF]

* function library

15:45:52 [LeeF]

* projected expressions

15:45:53 [LeeF]

* BIND

15:45:56 [LeeF]

* MINUS

15:45:58 [LeeF]

* NOT EXISTS

15:46:20 [AndyS]

syntax

15:46:28 [kasei]

* subqueries

15:46:54 [LeeF]

* CONSTRUCT WHERE

15:47:33 [kasei]

non-function-like things like IF()

15:48:02 [LeeF]

* IF and COALESCE

15:48:08 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/

15:48:09 [SteveH]

they seem pretty function-y to me

15:48:56 [SteveH]

x ? a : b in C, is like SPARQL's IF()

15:49:10 [LeeF]

* aggregates - http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl

15:51:19 [LeeF]

ACTION: Andy to check coverage and propose new/udpated test for syntax

15:51:20 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-368 - Check coverage and propose new/udpated test for syntax [on Andy Seaborne - due 2011-01-25].

15:51:22 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/property-path/manifest.ttl

15:51:56 [MattPerry]

I can take a look at them

15:52:09 [LeeF]

ACTION: Matthew to look at property path tests

15:52:10 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-369 - Look at property path tests [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-01-25].

15:52:25 [kasei]

there are lots of function tests

15:52:53 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/functions/manifest.ttl

15:52:56 [kasei]

I've been doing a bunch of func tests... can keep at it.

15:53:12 [LeeF]

ACTION: Greg to look at function tests

15:53:12 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-370 - Look at function tests [on Gregory Williams - due 2011-01-25].

15:53:36 [LeeF]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/bind/manifest.ttl

15:53:47 [LeeF]

ACTION: Lee to look at BIND tests

15:53:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-371 - Look at BIND tests [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-25].

15:54:48 [LeeF]

ACTION: Lee to contact Chime re: looking at negation tests

15:54:48 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-372 - Contact Chime re: looking at negation tests [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-25].

15:55:09 [AndyS]

+ BINDINGS

15:55:29 [LeeF]

* BINDINGS

15:56:38 [LeeF]

ACTION: Axel to look at subquery tests

15:56:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-373 - Look at subquery tests [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-25].

15:57:13 [LeeF]

ACTION: Lee to look at projected expression tests

15:57:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-374 - Look at projected expression tests [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-25].

15:58:29 [LeeF]

ACTION: Axel to look at CONSTRUCT WHERE tests

15:58:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-375 - Look at CONSTRUCT WHERE tests [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-25].

15:58:57 [AxelPolleres]

(that's only for the new shortcut, right...?)

15:59:09 [LeeF]

ACTION: Carlos to look at BINDINGS tests

15:59:09 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-376 - Look at BINDINGS tests [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-01-25].

15:59:45 [MattPerry]

sorry ... need to go to another meeting. bye

15:59:55 [Zakim]

-MattPerry

16:01:35 [Zakim]

-Lee_Feigenbaum

16:01:37 [Zakim]

-Sandro

16:01:39 [Zakim]

-AxelPolleres

16:01:42 [LeeF]

Adjourned.

16:01:44 [Zakim]

-cbuilara

16:01:45 [Zakim]

-ocorby

16:01:48 [Zakim]

-NickH

16:01:49 [bglimm]

I have some bold fonts that survive the translation, I can check what I se in the code

16:01:56 [Zakim]

-bglimm

16:02:00 [Zakim]

-kasei

16:02:35 [Zakim]

-SteveH

16:02:38 [Zakim]

-AndyS

16:02:47 [Zakim]

-pgearon

16:02:49 [Zakim]

SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

16:02:50 [Zakim]

Attendees were Sandro, +34.92.38.aaaa, ocorby, cbuilara, kasei, Lee_Feigenbaum, bglimm, AndyS, AxelPolleres, pgearon, MattPerry, SteveH, NickH

16:03:17 [bglimm]

I used <strong>Name</strong> and name is still in bold face after the xml conversion

16:05:11 [AxelPolleres]

AxelPolleres has left #sparql

16:15:56 [LeeF]

so shared/sparql.xsl has a list of elements that should be passed through untouched

16:16:14 [LeeF]

here's what i think you need to do

16:16:17 [LeeF]

instead of doing:

16:16:34 [LeeF]

<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="../shared/xmlspec.xsl"?>

16:16:36 [LeeF]

i think you need to do:

16:16:49 [LeeF]

<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="../shared/REC-xml.xsl"?>

16:17:02 [pgearon]

OK, I'll try that

16:17:14 [LeeF]

REC-xml.xsl includes sparql.xsl which includes xmlspec.xsl

16:17:22 [LeeF]

let me know how it goes

16:17:54 [pgearon]

incidentally, bglimm, I was using "<strong>Name</strong>" already, but after transformation it shows up as "Name"

16:18:02 [pgearon]

LeeF: Shall do

16:19:16 [pgearon]

LeeF: Perfect! Thank you!

16:21:23 [bglimm]

Ah, then it might be what Lee suggested and I use the other template already

16:21:47 [bglimm]

Yes, indeed, I use REC-xml.xsl

16:23:38 [LeeF]

pgearon, awesome

16:23:43 [pgearon]

I used to have bold type where specified, and I recently noticed it was gone. I didn't set up the stylesheet, nor have I changed it, so I don't know what happened

16:24:12 [bglimm]

Yes, something changed. My results tables also look different

16:24:13 [pgearon]

perhaps another editor changed it. Or maybe something changed in the shared xmlspec.xsl file

16:24:27 [pgearon]

ah, OK. It was probably the shared file then

16:24:59 [pgearon]

I'm glad it came up. So now I'm on the right file

16:59:56 [AlexPassant]

AlexPassant has joined #sparql

17:56:18 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #sparql

19:12:43 [SteveH]

SteveH has joined #sparql