IRC log of wai-wcag on 2011-01-13

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 13 January 2011

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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started

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+Michael_Cooper

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+Bruce_Bailey

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regrets: Gregg_Vanderheiden, James_Nurthen

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2011JanMar/0002.html

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+[Microsoft]

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chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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zakim, Microsoft is Wolf_Schmidt

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+Wolf_Schmidt; got it

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+??P7

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-Bruce_Bailey

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+Loretta

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this is adam i have a problem with mic

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+Bruce_Bailey

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zakim, ??P7 is Adam_Solomon

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+Adam_Solomon; got it

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zakim, who's on the phone?

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On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Wolf_Schmidt, Adam_Solomon, Loretta, Bruce_Bailey

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+ +1.727.391.aaaa

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regrets+ Mary_Utt

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zakim, aaaa is Marc_Johlic

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+Marc_Johlic; got it

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regrets+ Andrew_Kirkpatrick

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regrets+ David_MacDonald

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-> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List Scribe List

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scribe: marcjohlic

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TOPIC: Advisory Silverlight Technique for SC 1.1.1, 3.3.2: Providing User Instructions With AutomationProperties.HelpText in Silverlight

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RESOLUTION: Accepted as an advisory technique

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+Tim_Boland

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TOPIC: Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 3.1.2: Declaring Discrete Silverlight Objects to Specify Language Parts in the HTML DOM

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RESOLUTION: Accepted as propsed

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TOPIC: Advisory Silverlight Technique for SC 3.1.2: Understanding Language/Culture Properties as Used by Silverlight Applications and Assistive Technologies

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RESOLUTION: Accepted as an advisory technique

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TOPIC: Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 4.1.2: Understanding the Accessibility Roles of Silverlight Text Elements

21:38:39 [adam]

is it semantically correct to have simple text marked up as a control?

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rock and hard place

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perhaps we could leave out discussion of textblock, or at least minimize its mention as much as possible to make it more of a note

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or perhaps mentioning the word "controls" in the title to avoid specific mention of all the controls

21:46:05 [Loretta]

zakim who is making noise?

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-Bruce_Bailey

21:50:28 [adam]

"Example 2: All three text containers " - should we leave out?

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i still am uncomfortable with the title of the eample 2 section

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+Bruce_Bailey

21:54:04 [Loretta]

Adam, can you suggest a better title?

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never mind - i am ok with it.

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My only concern is that someone will go straight to example 2

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and think it is a legitimate element to be used

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thats fine

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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

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TOPIC: Sufficient Silverlight Technique for SC 1.4.5: Using Silverlight Font Properties to Control Text Presentation, and Avoid Images of Text

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ill look it over for a minute

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wait

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ok, adam!

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i think it could be left in...

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if we enhance the discussion in the description...

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the reason i think so is because this is adefinite pitfall

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which is common

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one sec

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great

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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

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-Tim_Boland

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TOPIC: Extend to SC 1.3.2 : Silverlight Technique "Using the Silverlight Default Tab Sequence and Altering Tab Sequences With Properties"

22:12:42 [adam]

the problem of non focusable elements is very important

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not off the bat - need a little research

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ok

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traditionally tab sequence relates to focusable controls, so I agree with Wolf that the issue of non focusable controls is not so relevant to this technique

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ACTION ITEM: Loretta & Wolfe to investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.

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Sorry, couldn't find user - ITEM

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ACTION: Loretta investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.

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Created ACTION-116 - Investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [on Loretta Guarino Reid - due 2011-01-20].

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ACTION: Wolfe investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Wolfe

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ACTION: Wolf investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content.

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Created ACTION-117 - Investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [on Wolf Schmidt - due 2011-01-20].

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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

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TOPIC: Silverlight Technology Notes

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i'm signing out - good night!

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-Adam_Solomon

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RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended

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TENTATIVE GOAL: Update the Editor's Draft by end of Feb 2011

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-Wolf_Schmidt

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-Bruce_Bailey

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-Marc_Johlic

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-Michael_Cooper

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-Loretta

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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Wolf_Schmidt, Loretta, Adam_Solomon, +1.727.391.aaaa, Marc_Johlic, Tim_Boland

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: ITEM to Loretta & Wolfe to investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-24-15

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ACTION: Loretta investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-25-00

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ACTION: Wolfe investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-25-11

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ACTION: Wolf investigate Silverlight failure of including non-focusable content. [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-wai-wcag-irc#T22-25-46