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14:45:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:45:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:45:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
14:45:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:45:38 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2011
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14:52:43 <fjh> trackbot-ng, start telecon
14:52:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:52:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:52:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:52:49 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2011
14:52:53 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0022.html
14:53:59 <fjh> Chair : Frederick_Hirsch, Robin_Berjon
14:54:14 <fjh> Present+  Frederick_Hirsch, Robin_Berjon
14:59:51 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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14:59:57 <Zakim> +??P17
15:00:01 <fjh> zakim, ??P17 is me
15:00:02 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:00:14 <Zakim> +richt
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15:00:21 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
15:00:23 <cmarc> Present + Cecile_Marc
15:00:31 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:00:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, richt
15:00:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see cmarc, ilkka, Claes, ingmar, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, arve, richt, darobin, wmaslowski, shepazu, trackbot, dom
15:00:34 <Zakim> +??P27
15:00:59 <Zakim> +??P29
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15:01:39 <Zakim> +Phil
15:01:39 <Dong-Young_Lee> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
15:01:58 <ktaklee> Present+ Kyung-Tak_Lee
15:02:21 <Zakim> +??P38
15:02:30 <darobin> Zakim, ??P38 is me
15:02:39 <cmarc> 0299 12 is cmarc
15:02:53 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
15:02:55 <Suresh> Suresh has joined #dap
15:03:06 <dom> zakim, code?
15:03:08 <Suresh> Present+ Suresh_Chitturi
15:03:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
15:04:17 <Zakim> +??P41
15:04:22 <fjh> Regrets+ John_Morris
15:04:22 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:04:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, richt, ??P27, ??P29, Phil, darobin, ??P41
15:04:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see Suresh, ktaklee, Dong-Young_Lee, cmarc, ilkka, Claes, ingmar, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, arve, richt, darobin, wmaslowski, shepazu, trackbot, dom
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15:04:46 <jgiraud> Present+ jerome_giraud
15:04:48 <Zakim> +??P48
15:06:03 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aaaa
15:06:32 <cmarc> zakim, 029912 is cecile_marc
15:06:32 <Zakim> sorry, cmarc, I do not recognize a party named '029912'
15:06:41 <cmarc> (+33)
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15:06:57 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is claes
15:06:57 <Zakim> +claes; got it
15:06:59 <Claes> zakim, aaaa is Claes
15:06:59 <Zakim> sorry, Claes, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:07:09 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:07:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, richt, ??P27, ??P29, Phil, darobin (muted), ??P41, ??P48, claes
15:07:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see arun_prasath, jgiraud, Suresh, ktaklee, cmarc, Claes, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, arve, richt, darobin, shepazu, trackbot, dom
15:07:21 <Claes> zakim, +46.1.08.01.aaaa is Claes
15:07:22 <Zakim> sorry, Claes, I do not recognize a party named '+46.1.08.01.aaaa'
15:07:36 <fjh> Present?
15:07:50 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
15:07:52 <arun_prasath> present+arun_prasath
15:08:13 <richt> Present+ arun_prasath
15:08:20 <darobin> Zakim, pick victim
15:08:22 <Zakim> -??P48
15:08:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick victim', darobin
15:08:36 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:08:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, richt, ??P27, ??P29, Phil, darobin (muted), ??P41, claes
15:08:52 <Zakim> +??P1
15:08:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see arun_prasath, jgiraud, ktaklee, cmarc, Claes, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, arve, richt, darobin, shepazu, trackbot, dom
15:09:05 <richt> zakim, who's making noise?
15:09:08 <Zakim> +MaxF
15:09:17 <Zakim> richt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MaxF (4%), fjh (75%)
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15:09:39 <Zakim> -fjh
15:09:46 <fjh> i'll call back
15:09:56 <fjh> zakim, what is the code?
15:09:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), fjh
15:10:07 <darobin> it can't be MaxF
15:10:15 <Zakim> -claes
15:10:26 <Zakim> + +5850486aabb
15:10:36 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
15:10:39 <AnssiK> zakim, aabb is me
15:10:40 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
15:10:57 <Zakim> + +1.610.801.aacc
15:11:22 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Jan/0002.html
15:11:30 <fjh> seoul logistics avaiable
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15:11:47 <fjh> ScribeNick: claes
15:11:54 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
15:11:58 <fjh> Topic: Minutes
15:12:09 <fjh> Approve 5 January minutes
15:12:10 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/att-0014/minutes-2011-01-05.html
15:12:19 <maoteo_> Present+ Maria_Oteo
15:12:24 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.82.aadd
15:12:28 <Claes> RESOLUTION: 5 January minutes approved
15:13:01 <Claes> Topic: Access Control Requirements
15:13:12 <fjh> update, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0020.html
15:13:13 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:13:28 <Zakim> + +34.91.312.aaee
15:13:48 <Claes> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Publish Access Control Requirements
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15:13:56 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
15:14:04 <maoteo_> Zakim, aaee is me
15:14:04 <Zakim> +maoteo_; got it
15:14:23 <Claes> RESOLUTION: Publish Access Control Requirements
15:14:23 <Zakim> +Phil.a
15:14:33 <Claes> Topic: Web Introducer
15:14:36 <fjh> Services Discovery and Permissions - "Web Introducer"
15:14:45 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0016.html (Tyler)
15:14:45 <fjh> prototyping, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0021.html
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15:15:21 <dcoloma> Present+ Daniel_Coloma
15:17:54 <dcoloma> Zakim, maoteo_ holds maoteo_, danielcoloma
15:17:54 <Zakim> +maoteo_, danielcoloma; got it
15:18:39 <Claes> Encourage people to read the Web Introducer specification and check the web site
15:19:09 <Claes> Topic: Messaging
15:19:49 <Zakim> -??P29
15:19:55 <fjh> dom notes that messaging could be layer on URI schemes, thus changing the scope of messaging
15:20:14 <fjh> dom notes however that change in scope not yet clear
15:20:15 <Zakim> +??P14
15:20:37 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:20:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see richt, ??P27, Phil, darobin, ??P41, ??P1, MaxF, AnssiK, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.610.801.aacc, +91.80.67.82.aadd (muted), maoteo_, Phil.a, ??P14
15:20:40 <Zakim> maoteo_ has maoteo_, danielcoloma
15:20:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see dcoloma, Dzung_Tran, maoteo_, AnssiK, arun_prasath, jgiraud, ktaklee, cmarc, Claes, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, richt, darobin, shepazu, trackbot, dom
15:21:30 <fjh> we need a concrete proposal on the list
15:22:05 <Zakim> +lgombos
15:22:10 <fjh> dom notes can defer uri scheme aspect, but update direction
15:22:14 <fjh> can that be sotd
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15:22:20 <Claes> Dom: 2 aspects, how to tie with URI schemes? send clear message weher we are going 
15:24:08 <Claes> Dom proposes not to publish until document it clearer in terms of our direction with this API
15:24:34 <fjh> s/weher/weher
15:24:41 <fjh> s/weher/where
15:25:01 <fjh> action: fjh to prepare access reqmts for publishing, pubrules etc
15:25:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-324 - Prepare access reqmts for publishing, pubrules etc [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2011-01-19].
15:25:31 <fjh> ok with publishing early and often
15:25:31 <AnssiK> +1 to Rich's proposal
15:25:47 <Claes> Rich: Prefere not to publish until clearer
15:26:02 <fjh> rich would like not to publish, remove dependency on permissions
15:26:25 <Claes> ....we can publish but prefer a better specification before this
15:26:59 <fjh> dom offers to make changes over the next week, allowing publication next week
15:27:14 <Claes> Dom: Give another week to give time for scope etc clarifications
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15:27:57 <Claes> ...wants to calrify security considerations in relation to URI schemes
15:28:15 <fjh> s/calrify/clarify
15:28:21 <fjh> q?
15:28:28 <dcoloma> q+
15:30:18 <Claes> Daniel: Agree with Suresh.
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15:30:24 <Claes> Suresh: Clarify scope ok but not major changes
15:30:42 <fjh> ack dcoloma
15:30:42 <fjh> action: dom to update Messaging to clarify security considerations and URI schemes
15:30:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-325 - Update Messaging to clarify security considerations and URI schemes [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2011-01-19].
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15:30:58 <Dong-Young_Lee> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
15:31:18 <Claes> RESOLUTION: Dom updates on scope etc and postpone publication until next week
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15:31:35 <Claes> Topic: Contacts
15:31:36 <fjh> updates, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0018.html
15:31:47 <Suresh> Present+ Suresh_Chitturi
15:32:25 <Zakim> +??P16
15:32:26 <Zakim> -MaxF
15:32:39 <fjh> message from Anssi, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0031.html
15:33:02 <Claes> Rich: Have difficulties interpreting Rich
15:33:22 <dom> Zakim, ??P16 is me
15:33:22 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:36:10 <Zakim> + +36.7.384.aaff
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15:40:26 <fjh> q?
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15:40:32 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:40:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see richt, ??P27, Phil, darobin, ??P41, ??P1, AnssiK, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.610.801.aacc, +91.80.67.82.aadd (muted), maoteo_, Phil.a, ??P14, lgombos, dom,
15:40:35 <Zakim> ... +36.7.384.aaff
15:40:35 <Zakim> maoteo_ has maoteo_, danielcoloma
15:40:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see dcoloma, fjh, richt, gombos_, lgombos_, wmaslowski, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, dom
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15:41:10 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:41:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:41:20 <fjh> suresh is concerned about not having a clear javascript api
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15:41:40 <fjh> Present+ Dom
15:41:50 <fjh> s/Present?//
15:42:00 <fjh> s/(+33)//
15:42:01 <Claes> Sorry, had IRC problems and had to reload IRC
15:43:17 <fjh> s/i'll call back//
15:43:17 <fjh> s/Sorry, had IRC problems and had to reload IRC//
15:43:17 <fjh> s/it can't be MaxF//
15:43:17 <fjh> s/0299 12 is cmarc//
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15:43:21 <Claes> ..so missed to document discussion
15:43:29 <fjh> richt notes that can use other approaches beyond javascript api
15:44:05 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:44:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:44:33 <fjh> richt suggests using existing web framework
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15:50:18 <Claes> ...
15:50:29 <Claes> IRC problems but back again
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15:51:15 <richt> Suresh, my key question is: for adding and updating contacts, why do we need a programmatic API rather than reusing the existing web platform?
15:51:21 <Claes> Fjh: Suresh, please docuemnt your issues in the chat or in a mail
15:51:46 <richt> ...we need new content on this subject. We've got a JS API. It kills the user experience. Please assume policy and permissioning is not possible.
15:52:15 <fjh> s/docuemnt/document
15:53:49 <Claes> Suresh: I willsend an e-mail on the Contacts API issues.
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15:53:53 <Claes> Topic: Calendar
15:54:09 <Claes> Rich: Aligned with Contacts API done
15:54:11 <richt> Suresh, please put your thoughts in an email on the Contact API Adding and Updating contacts.
15:54:31 <Claes> ....optimizations
15:54:43 <Claes> ...feedback appreciated
15:56:08 <Claes> Suresh: Have looked at it and have proposed changes
15:59:34 <Zakim> -lgombos
15:59:54 <Zakim> -??P1
15:59:57 <Zakim> - +36.7.384.aaff
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16:00:00 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
16:00:01 <Zakim> -richt
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16:00:11 <Zakim> -??P27
16:00:11 <Zakim> -darobin
16:00:11 <Zakim> - +91.80.67.82.aadd
16:00:21 <Zakim> -maoteo_
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16:14:33 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:14:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-dap-minutes.html fjh
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16:15:08 <fjh> Topic: Calendar
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16:15:37 <fjh> Updated draft available, suresh has additional proposed changes. Will work with Rich offline 
16:15:49 <fjh> note - due to IRC issues part of chat transcript was apparently lost.
16:15:54 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
16:16:03 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:16:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-dap-minutes.html fjh
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