IRC log of rdfa on 2011-01-06
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- Zakim, this will be 7332
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- Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 06 January 2011
- 14:57:45 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
- 14:58:10 [manu]
- Chair: Manu
- 14:58:35 [manu]
- Present: Ivan, MarkB, Steven, Toby, Nathan, Manu
- 14:59:17 [webr3]
- apologies/regrets, I'm going to have to miss todays meeting as I've just been called in to the kids school for a meeting in 15 mins
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- Regrets: Nathan
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- Present+ Benjamin
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- SW_RDFa()10:00AM has now started
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- + +1.540.961.aaaa
- 15:00:59 [manu]
- zakim, I am aaaa
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- +manu; got it
- 15:01:14 [Steven]
- zakim, dial steven-617
- 15:01:14 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven; the call is being made
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- +Steven
- 15:01:23 [manu]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jan/0029.html
- 15:01:31 [ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-voip
- 15:01:31 [Zakim]
- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- +Ivan
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- + +63.12.057.5aabb
- 15:02:09 [Benjamin]
- zakim, I am aabb
- 15:02:21 [Zakim]
- +Benjamin; got it
- 15:03:12 [ShaneM]
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- 15:03:23 [Benjamin]
- scribenick: Benjamin
- 15:03:33 [Zakim]
- +ShaneM
- 15:04:12 [Benjamin]
- manu: let's start. Any updates, changes to agenda?
- 15:04:21 [manu]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 15:04:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see manu, Steven, Ivan, Benjamin, ShaneM
- 15:04:35 [manu]
- Topic: Work Plan for 1st Quarter of 2011
- 15:04:40 [manu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jan/0001.html
- 15:05:08 [Benjamin]
- ... it covers January, February and March
- 15:06:25 [Benjamin]
- ... Shane aggreed to handle the last call comments
- 15:06:57 [Benjamin]
- ... do we want to speak up before sending responses?
- 15:07:39 [Benjamin]
- ivan: Shane should not be pushed with technical issues.
- 15:08:42 [Benjamin]
- manu1: I created issues for all most incomming comments
- 15:08:48 [manu]
- http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8
- 15:09:53 [Benjamin]
- ShaneM: Some comments are more related to XHTML or HTML. I'll redirect these.
- 15:10:31 [Benjamin]
- manu1: Next plan is to get the RDFa API and RDF API document into better shape.
- 15:13:47 [markbirbeck]
- belated apologies, I'm afraid.
- 15:13:55 [markbirbeck]
- can't make the call...sorry.
- 15:15:01 [Benjamin]
- Manu1: In March we hope to have first implementations of the RDFa API
- 15:17:25 [Benjamin]
- ... In March try to move to Porposed Recommendations for current Working Drafts
- 15:18:01 [Benjamin]
- ivan: let's talk about the Primer
- 15:18:31 [Benjamin]
- ivan: what about the chartered optional cookbook?
- 15:19:14 [Benjamin]
- ... the cookbok should include RDFa API content. Therefore the deadline should be later.
- 15:19:46 [tinkster]
- I started gathering some potential examples for the cookbook on the WG wiki.
- 15:19:47 [Benjamin]
- ... maybe we could collect code snippets from our discussion on a wiki page
- 15:20:35 [Benjamin]
- ... Toby began to play with an ATOM host laguage for RDFa
- 15:20:49 [Benjamin]
- ... we should publish that as anote
- 15:20:49 [tinkster]
- http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/Cookbook/Examples
- 15:21:36 [tinkster]
- http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/wiki/Atom_plus_RDFa
- 15:21:40 [Benjamin]
- manu1: let's discuss it on the mailing list
- 15:22:09 [manu]
- Topic: Thoughts on RDF API and RDFa API Documents
- 15:22:17 [manu]
- http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdf-api/
- 15:22:24 [manu]
- http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/sources/rdfa-api/
- 15:22:37 [Benjamin]
- manu1: Is everyone OK with the current directions of these documents?
- 15:23:52 [Benjamin]
- benjamin: i am ok, want to look deeper into the RDF API
- 15:24:04 [Benjamin]
- Steven: OK
- 15:24:11 [manu]
- Topic: XHTML Profile document changes/management
- 15:24:21 [manu]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010Dec/0054.html
- 15:24:40 [Benjamin]
- manu1: toby was working on this
- 15:24:42 [manu]
- http://buzzword.org.uk/2010/xhtml-vocab-20101110.xhtml
- 15:24:54 [Zakim]
- + +44.785.583.aacc
- 15:25:00 [tinkster]
- Zakim, aacc is me
- 15:25:00 [Zakim]
- +tinkster; got it
- 15:25:31 [Benjamin]
- manu: good you give an overview Toby?
- 15:26:05 [ivan]
- q+
- 15:26:07 [Benjamin]
- tinkster: update is on mapping the XHTML vocabulary with other vocabluaries like Dublin Core
- 15:26:39 [Benjamin]
- manu: This is a good thing to do.
- 15:26:55 [Benjamin]
- manu: Any concerns about this?
- 15:26:56 [manu]
- ack ivan
- 15:27:07 [Benjamin]
- ivan: I have some comments.
- 15:27:15 [tinkster]
- zakim, mute me
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- tinkster should now be muted
- 15:27:58 [manu]
- q+ to discuss core vs. xhtml profiles
- 15:28:10 [Benjamin]
- ... Many changes relate to core level rather than XHTML.
- 15:29:01 [Benjamin]
- ... We have to have a well documented process about how a prefix gets into the profile
- 15:30:00 [manu]
- ack manu
- 15:30:00 [Zakim]
- manu, you wanted to discuss core vs. xhtml profiles
- 15:30:05 [Benjamin]
- ... It's tricky to add or not add vocabularies like Dublin Core, Foaf , SIOC or Google's.
- 15:30:42 [Benjamin]
- manu: RDFa core is intended to cover abstract vocabularies
- 15:31:14 [Benjamin]
- ivan: I disagree
- 15:32:49 [Benjamin]
- ShaneM: The RDFa core does not concern about any other document formats
- 15:34:47 [Benjamin]
- ivan: RDFa Core works with any XML language
- 15:35:49 [Benjamin]
- ivan: I should be able to use the RDF distiller for any RDFa data containing any RDF vocabulary
- 15:36:16 [Benjamin]
- manu: should we add the document conformance into the RDFa Core document?
- 15:36:52 [Benjamin]
- ShaneM: We could add a section about XML conformance.
- 15:37:34 [Benjamin]
- ... Ivan you use case is a real use case. I have to think about this issue. How about testing? Do we have a core test suite?
- 15:41:29 [Benjamin]
- ivan: For a given set of vocabularies (SIOC, FOAF, ...) we should be able to use them without a profile.
- 15:41:38 [manu]
- q?
- 15:42:07 [Benjamin]
- ivan: An XHTML document should have two profiles, the default profile and its own profile.
- 15:42:08 [tinkster]
- chances are you'd hardcode both.
- 15:42:34 [Benjamin]
- ShaneM: We should not have two profiles
- 15:44:12 [ShaneM]
- define an XML+RDFa host language
- 15:44:57 [tinkster]
- I use media type.
- 15:45:00 [Benjamin]
- ivan: How does a processor identify the host language?
- 15:45:52 [manu]
- q+ to discuss checking the vocabulary profile
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- ack manu
- 15:45:55 [Zakim]
- manu, you wanted to discuss checking the vocabulary profile
- 15:47:37 [manu]
- q+ to discuss selecting the default profile
- 15:48:08 [ShaneM]
- XHTML+RDFa says: XHTML+RDFa documents should be labeled with the Internet Media Type "application/xhtml+xml" as defined in [RFC3236]. For further information on using media types with XHTML Family markup languages, see the informative note [XHTML-MEDIA-TYPES].
- 15:48:25 [Benjamin]
- manu: The HTML said that analysing the mimetpye is not the right way to identify the host language
- 15:50:34 [Benjamin]
- ivan: not all document formats have a doc type
- 15:50:49 [tinkster]
- HTML5 served as text/html can have xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
- 15:51:47 [manu]
- ack manu
- 15:51:47 [Zakim]
- manu, you wanted to discuss selecting the default profile
- 15:52:13 [Benjamin]
- manu: although you cannot count on it, as shown by Toby's example we should use the namespace to decide which profile to use
- 15:53:37 [ShaneM]
- I would prefer embedding rules for XML+RDFa in RDFa Core rather than a separate spec
- 15:54:09 [Benjamin]
- ... I don't know if we have a concensus about implementing the profile lookup for RDFa processors
- 15:54:25 [ShaneM]
- RDFa Core needs to have rules for discovery defined in section 4.1
- 15:55:05 [Benjamin]
- ivan: We could add an XML profile section in the RDFA Core spec
- 15:55:51 [Benjamin]
- manu: another XML spec is not much more work
- 15:56:23 [Benjamin]
- ShaneM: We have to recharter when publishing another specification
- 15:56:42 [Benjamin]
- ... I would add it into the conformance section
- 16:00:04 [ShaneM]
- We need to add these as specific last call issues so we can address them
- 16:01:18 [tinkster]
- There is a difference in terms of constructing the DOM from the byte stream.
- 16:01:48 [manu]
- q+ to end the meeting
- 16:04:10 [Benjamin]
- ShaneM: A conformance should use information form the higher level protocol to determine the document format
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- -ShaneM
- 16:06:30 [ivan]
- zakim, drop me
- 16:06:30 [Zakim]
- Ivan is being disconnected
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- -Ivan
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- -tinkster
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- -manu
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- -Steven
- 16:06:35 [Benjamin]
- ... is it OK that I fix comments I absolutely OK with.
- 16:06:49 [Benjamin]
- The group agreed.
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- -Benjamin
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- SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.540.961.aaaa, manu, Steven, Ivan, +63.12.057.5aabb, Benjamin, ShaneM, +44.785.583.aacc, tinkster
- 16:09:20 [Benjamin]
- s/mimetpye/media type/
- 16:09:50 [manu]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:09:50 [Zakim]
- apparently SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended, manu
- 16:09:51 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ShaneM, Benjamin, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven, manu, tinkster, ivan, webr3, manu1, trackbot, markbirbeck
- 16:10:24 [Benjamin]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:10:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/06-rdfa-minutes.html Benjamin
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- zakim, bye
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- trackbot, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
- 17:27:51 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items