IRC log of html-wg on 2011-01-06

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Zakim, this will be html_wg
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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
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Date: 06 January 2011
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Zakim, mute dsinger
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dsinger should now be muted
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see dsinger (muted), Julian
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On IRC I see dsinger_, Zakim, RRSAgent, Mark, rubys, Lachy, MikeSmith, anne, Marco_Ranon, Norm, plh, davidb, Martijnc, kennyluck, Julian, tinkster, arronei, webben, webr3, jmb,
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... gsnedders, hober, pimpbot, Dashiva, gavin, pingo, shepazu, Philip, karl, sideshow, Shunsuke, drry, heycam, Jedi, trackbot, hsivonen, CIA-1, Hixie, krijnh, ed, jgraham, jwm,
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... inimino
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+Plh
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+Sam
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+Radhika_Roy
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plh has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0000.html
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0000.html
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Title: HTML WG Telecon 2010-12-16: status of actions, calls; task force reports from Sam Ruby on 2011-01-05 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
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Chair: Sam
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scribe: plh
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-dsinger
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+[Microsoft]
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+dsinger
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Topic: Action items
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action-190?
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ACTION-190 -- Michael(tm) Smith to fix pubrules problems with "author-only" view of the HTML5 specification -- due 2010-12-10 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/190
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Title: ACTION-190: Fix pubrules problems with "author-only" view of the HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:03:05 [dsinger_]
zakim, mute dsinger
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dsinger should now be muted
17:03:10 [krisk]
zakim, Microsoft is krisk
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+krisk; got it
17:03:23 [plh]
Sam: I believe the plan is to get the heartbeat document out asap
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... let's move this action by one week
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13th
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action-190 due next week
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ACTION-190 Fix pubrules problems with "author-only" view of the HTML5 specification due date now next week
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action-193?
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ACTION-193 -- Paul Cotton to and co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt -- due 2010-12-16 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/193
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Title: ACTION-193: And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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Sam: Paul is away, not yet resolved.
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action-193 due in two weeks
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ACTION-193 And co-chairs to investigate how to handle standardization of websrt due date now in two weeks
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Topic: New issues
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Sam: we have 4 tracker issues that have been transformed into issues
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issue 149, issue-150, issue-151, issue-152
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+ +1.206.922.aabb
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zakim, aabb is me
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+adrianba; got it
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Topic: Items Closed Last Three Weeks
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Sam: issue-118 has been closed
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Topic: Items Closing This Week
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+ +1.206.850.aacc
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Sam: none
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Topic: Items Closing Next Week
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zakim, +1.206.850.aacc is me
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+eliot; got it
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Sam: we have 6 items closing next week
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... we didn't receive counter proposals for issue-119, issue-125, issue-126,
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... all those are due January 12
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... issue-134, issue-136, issue-138 are waiting on change proposals. We'll close them without prejudice if we don't receive proposals
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Topic: New Calls this week
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Sam: we have 4 new calls: issue-147, issue-148, issue-149, issue-151
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Zakim, call Mike-goog
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ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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+Mike
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issue-147?
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ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
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zakim, call janina
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ok, janina; the call is being made
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Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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+Janina
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issue-148?
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ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
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Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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issue-149?
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ISSUE-149 -- Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/149
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Title: ISSUE-149: Use markup compatible with both HTML/XML syntax in examples - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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issue-151?
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ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
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Title: ISSUE-151: Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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+Michael_Cooper
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+Cynthia_Shelly
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Sam: we'd like change proposals by Feb 6
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Topic: New Surveys this week
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Sam: none
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Topic: Testing Task Force Report
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Kris: been pretty quite. no meeting since last time. next meeting on 11th.
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... we had the January 3, for Philipp Taylor's tests.
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S/quite/quiet/
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... consensus on vast majority of those tests
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... probably 30+ tests with possible issues
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+ +1.715.718.aadd
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... so by next reports, we'll have over a thousand tests
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Topic: Accessibility Task Force
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Janina: had our first meeting of the year one hour ago.
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... a number of issues have been discussed in the 48 hours
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... otherwise not much
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... we forwarded our gap analysis to public-html
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... some discussion there, with need to do some tweaks to the document
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issue-131?
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ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
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Sam: issue-131? issue-152?
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Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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issue-152?
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ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
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Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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Sam: both issues are likely to go out for call for proposals
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Janina: ok. some issues might be pushed into the audio wg
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... so that would take some pressure off HTML5
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... for caret, I think we're on track
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Sam: ok, it would mean change proposal ready within 6 weeks
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q+ to ask (under "other business") about the state of the editor's draft (last change, warning message) and our perspective vs HMTL5 validators following WHATWG-HTML instead of W3C-HTML (even the W3C's)
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Topic: Other Business
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ack next
17:15:15 [Zakim]
Julian, you wanted to ask (under "other business") about the state of the editor's draft (last change, warning message) and our perspective vs HMTL5 validators following
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... WHATWG-HTML instead of W3C-HTML (even the W3C's)
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Julian: I was wondering why the editor's draft on the w3c site states November 16.
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... and why are will having a warning message on the editor's draft?
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Zakim, aadd is Laura
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+Laura; got it
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Sam: for the warning, will be removed once we have the next pub cycle
17:16:21 [MikeSmith]
they have not diverged
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Julian: then what about the edits that are now differing?
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the date is the only difference
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... I don't have details though
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http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/spec/
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Title: html5/spec/ (at dev.w3.org)
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Mike: the only difference is the date. if you look at the cvs history, it's been updated 17 hours ago
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... we occured some problems on the multi-page version. still looking at fixing them.
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... i stopped the automatic update and need to run it manually
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... Hixie never switched it back to editors' config. that also explain the warning
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... the two versions are up to date with each other
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... modulo the multipage split build
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Sam: last time this happened, the changes done by Hixie were not part of the w3c version.
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Julian: looks like I go confused indeed.
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s/go/got/
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Mike: our editorial pipeline is fragile and has been broken lately
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... but we're still in good shape overall. the date will not change until we switch back to editor's mode
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... we're on schedule to get everything published by the 13th
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Julian: the html5 validator accepts things that are only part of the what wg. Henri pointed out that it's missing a config option. However w3c is replicating the validator.
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Mike: this seems out of scope for the working group
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plh: but it would be better for w3c to follow its own spec...
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Sam: is there a bug number?
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11654
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1111654: julian.reschke, P2, NEW, 13HTML5 validator accepts the ping attribute on <a>
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+[Apple]
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Mike: I'm aware of the issue and it's not the only one. I don't think it's a real problem at the moment
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-dsinger
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zakim, [apple] has dsinger
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+dsinger; got it
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... we're not claiming it reflects the consensus of the wg anyway
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... we're not following the pub cycles of the wg
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... the validator is not a work product of the wg
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Sam: I'd like to review how it is advertised then.
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Sam: January 22 is the cutoff for escalating bugs for pre-LC consideration
17:26:17 [rubys]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
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Title: Timeline to Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-08 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
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Topic: Scribe for next meeting
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Sam: any volunteers?
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... it will be Maciej turn to chair the call. I'll volunteer to scribe
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[adjourned]
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-Julian
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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Zakim, drop Mike
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Mike is being disconnected
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-Mike
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- +1.215.286.aaaa
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-Plh
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-Radhika_Roy
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-eliot
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Sam
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-[Apple]
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-krisk
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/06-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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-Janina
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-Laura
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-adrianba
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Attendees were dsinger, Julian, Plh, Sam, Radhika_Roy, +1.215.286.aaaa, krisk, +1.206.922.aabb, adrianba, eliot, Mike, Janina, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.715.718.aadd,
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... Laura
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/06-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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Title: HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 06 Jan 2011 (at www.w3.org)
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planet: brucel: Previewing a new #html5 Doctor post "HTML5 and Search Engine Optimisation" for critique and proofing <11http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/23068781160960000>
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bugmail: [Bug 11684] step 10: the body element isn't defined as sectioning content, so heading will always be null <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0125.html> 4** [Bug 11684] New: step 10: the body element isn't defined as sectioning content, so heading will always be null <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0124.html>
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bugmail: [Bug 11685] New: step 11+16.4: factor out the common steps <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0126.html>
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planet: brucel: RT @stevefaulkner: Why &lt;hgroup&gt;? Trying to get some answers http://bit.ly/fyyjY3">http://bit.ly/fyyjY3 #HTML5 @annevk claims better 4 CSS/JavaScript <11http://twitter.com/brucel/statuses/23086823404212224> 4** stevefaulkner: Why &lt;hgroup&gt;? Trying to get some answers http://bit.ly/fyyjY3 #HTML5 @annevk claims better 4 CSS/JavaScript <11http://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/statuses/23085345931272192>
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bugmail: "[Bug 11685] step 11+16.4: factor out the common steps" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0128.html>
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bugmail: [Bug 11137] Multiple-email inputs should require no space characters between values <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0131.html> 4** [Bug 11686] step 11: missing "of" in "the descendants the title element," <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0130.html> 4** [Bug 11686] New: step 11: missing "of" in "the descendants the title element," <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/p
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html-spec: 03ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * c4e15c5f7ad1 r5740 10/ (index complete.html): [e] (0) update spec subheading
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html-spec: 03ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * c0a8c14a828d r5741 10/ (index complete.html source):
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html-spec: [e] (0) copypasta in idl
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html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11163
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1111163: amattie, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, 13The PageTransitionEvent's persisted attribute type is conflicted
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bugmail: [Bug 11099] clarify that "element's tag name" and "attribute's name" are qualified name <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0135.html> 4** "[Bug 11163] The PageTransitionEvent's persisted attribute type is conflicted" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0134.html> 4** [Bug 11678] <input type='email' multiple> should have the last comma stripped or being v
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html-spec: 03ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 9065dc7ce78d r5742 10/ (index complete.html source):
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html-spec: [giowt] (0) teach the fragment serialisation algorithm about namespaces
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html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11099
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1111099: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, 13clarify that "element's tag name" and "attribute's name" are qualified name
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bugmail: "[Bug 11099] clarify that "element's tag name" and "attribute's name" are qualified name" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jan/0137.html>
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html-spec: 03ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * bebd7bbe5e68 r5743 10/ (index complete.html source): [e] (0) pedantic nit: spec required a valid value but then required the empty value as well; that's contradictory.
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