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14:44:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:44:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
14:44:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14:44:55 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2011
14:45:20 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0002.html
14:46:04 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:46:07 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
14:47:23 <fjh> Regrets+ Thomas_Roessler,  John_Morris, Suresh_Chitturi, Niklas_Widell 
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14:56:50 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
14:56:57 <Zakim> +??P17
14:57:01 <fjh> zakim, ??P17 is me
14:57:02 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:57:18 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
14:57:30 <Zakim> +??P10
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14:58:33 <Dong-Young_Lee> zakim, ??P10 is me
14:58:33 <Zakim> +Dong-Young_Lee; got it
14:58:36 <cmarc> Present+ cecile_Marc
14:58:47 <Dong-Young_Lee> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
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14:59:19 <Zakim> +AnssiK
14:59:49 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:00:32 <AnssiK> zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK
15:00:39 <dom> Zakim, code?
15:00:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), dom
15:01:02 <Zakim> +??P15
15:01:10 <Zakim> +Dom
15:01:13 <Zakim> +richt
15:01:18 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:01:33 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
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15:02:05 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, ??P15, Dom, richt
15:02:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see ktaklee, AnssiK, richt, cmarc, Dong-Young_Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, homata__, ilkka, shepazu, lgombos, wmaslowski, trackbot, dom
15:02:19 <Zakim> +cmarc
15:02:29 <Zakim> +lgombos
15:02:43 <lgombos> Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
15:02:44 <dom> Zakim, ??P15 is ktaklee
15:02:44 <Zakim> +ktaklee; got it
15:03:03 <ktaklee> Present+ Kyung-Tak_Lee
15:04:12 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:04:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, ktaklee, Dom, richt, cmarc, lgombos
15:04:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see ktaklee, AnssiK, richt, cmarc, Dong-Young_Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, homata__, ilkka, shepazu, lgombos, wmaslowski, trackbot, dom
15:05:11 <fjh> ScribeNick: cmarc
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15:06:14 <Dzung_Tran> Present+ Dzung_Tran
15:07:38 <Zakim> +Ingmar_Kliche
15:08:01 <fjh> Happy New Year!
15:08:15 <fjh> Publishing moratorium in May - 6 May publication request deadline
15:08:15 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2011Jan/0000.html 
15:08:27 <fjh> WHATWG <device> specification at  http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/commands.html#devices
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15:08:41 <fjh> Additional Seoul F2F workshop and logistics  information
15:08:50 <fjh> ACTION-305?
15:08:50 <trackbot> ACTION-305 -- Kangchan Lee to provide details of workshop at Seoul F2F (March 2011) -- due 2010-11-12 -- OPEN
15:08:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/305
15:08:57 <fjh> zakim, who is here
15:08:57 <Zakim> fjh, you need to end that query with '?'
15:09:02 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:09:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, ktaklee, Dom, richt, cmarc, lgombos, Ingmar_Kliche
15:09:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see ingmar, Dzung_Tran, ktaklee, AnssiK, richt, cmarc, Dong-Young_Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, homata__, ilkka, shepazu, lgombos, wmaslowski, trackbot, dom
15:09:25 <ingmar> present+ Ingmar_Kliche
15:10:09 <cmarc> f2f in Seoul in march ACTION: provide details about the meeting, 3 days f2f + one day workshop (workshop in the middle) - to be confirmed
15:10:36 <fjh> I understood that it was two days F2F, Tuesday/Thursday with workshop on Wed, so we obviously need to clarify
15:11:05 <fjh> June/July F2F planning
15:11:11 <fjh> ACTION-304?
15:11:11 <trackbot> ACTION-304 -- Richard Tibbett to investigate hosting a meeting in June/July in Opera's European offices -- due 2010-11-12 -- OPEN
15:11:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/304
15:11:33 <dom> ACTION-304 due next week
15:11:33 <trackbot> ACTION-304 Investigate hosting a meeting in June/July in Opera's European offices due date now next week
15:12:01 <cmarc> TOPIC:
15:12:10 <fjh> Topic: Minutes Approval
15:12:14 <fjh> Approve 15 December minutes
15:12:14 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Dec/att-0039/minutes-2010-12-15.html
15:12:23 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 15 December 2010 approved
15:12:59 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 15 December 2010 approved
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15:13:15 <fjh> Topic: Actions and Issues related to policy (and others), ACTION-319
15:13:16 <dom> s/<fjh> RESOLUTION:/<scribe> RESOLUTION:/
15:13:32 <fjh> Action review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0001.html
15:13:32 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - review
15:14:09 <fjh> ACTION-132?
15:14:09 <trackbot> ACTION-132 -- Max Froumentin to look at messaging subscribe with filtering and events -- due 2010-03-25 -- OPEN
15:14:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/132
15:14:18 <cmarc_> ACTION: to cancel 132
15:14:18 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
15:14:26 <fjh> editing action on Maria for this one
15:14:34 <dom> close ACTION-132
15:14:35 <trackbot> ACTION-132 look at messaging subscribe with filtering and events closed
15:14:53 <fjh> ACTION-148?
15:14:53 <trackbot> ACTION-148 -- Bryan Sullivan to compare user interaction input with what already available in HTML5 / WebApps -- due 2010-03-25 -- OPEN
15:14:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/148
15:15:08 <fjh> ACTION-173?
15:15:08 <trackbot> ACTION-173 -- Dzung Tran to implement privacy changes noted by alissa, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010May/0072.html -- due 2010-05-26 -- OPEN
15:15:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/173
15:15:30 <fjh> ACTION-214?
15:15:30 <trackbot> ACTION-214 -- Thomas Roessler to request IETF community review of sysinfo API Last Call WD through W3C/IETF liaison channel -- due 2010-01-31 -- OPEN
15:15:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/214
15:15:52 <fjh> ACTION-231?
15:15:52 <trackbot> ACTION-231 -- Claes Nilsson to look into what he can share re javascript-based android prototype of PowerBox -- due 2010-07-22 -- OPEN
15:15:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/231
15:16:02 <fjh> ACTION-232?
15:16:02 <trackbot> ACTION-232 -- Robin Berjon to coordinate with Tyler on exposing Contacts through Powerbox -- due 2010-08-05 -- OPEN
15:16:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/232
15:16:20 <fjh> http://web-send.org/introducer/
15:17:19 <fjh> Topic: Issue review
15:17:24 <cmarc_> some issues have to been looking at 
15:17:28 <fjh> Issue review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0000.html 
15:17:57 <fjh> suggest changing,  "API Requirements" document be renamed  "API Requirements and Design Decisions"
15:18:17 <dom> +1
15:18:44 <fjh> ISSUE-2?
15:18:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- Error handling style -- pending review
15:18:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/2
15:18:47 <dom> (the APICheckList has also served somewhat as a way to record some of our design decisions http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ApiCheckList )
15:18:56 <fjh> example of design decision to be recorded
15:20:33 <fjh> RESOLUTION: record design decisions and rationale in API Requirements and Design Decisions
15:21:03 <fjh> propose to record security threats, countermeasures, and identity management considerations
15:21:13 <fjh> ISSUE-19?
15:21:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- What are key HTML 5 security model considerations that impact DAP Policy language and framework -- pending review
15:21:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/19
15:21:22 <fjh> ISSUE-20?
15:21:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- What are essential requirements for DAP security and policy -- pending review
15:21:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/20
15:22:31 <fjh> dom notes security requirements should take care of this
15:22:39 <fjh> action: fjh to review security requirements document
15:22:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-321 - Review security requirements document [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2011-01-12].
15:22:51 <cmarc_> ACTION: review the security document
15:22:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - review
15:23:41 <fjh> ISSUE-42?
15:23:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Able to use of MMI for user interactions -- pending review
15:23:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/42
15:24:37 <fjh> ISSUE-42: open ended issue not specific enough to act upon
15:24:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 Able to use of MMI for user interactions notes added
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15:25:33 <dom> ISSUE-21: we resolved to simplify the model with "permissions" instead of a duality features/capabilities
15:25:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 Is policy/access control on both features and device capabilities needed, do all submissions include both of these notes added
15:25:43 <cmarc> TOPIC: contacts
15:25:47 <fjh> Topic: Contacts Writer
15:25:53 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:25:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, ktaklee, Dom, richt, cmarc, lgombos, Ingmar_Kliche
15:25:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see cmarc, ingmar, Dzung_Tran, ktaklee, AnssiK, richt, Dong-Young_Lee, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, homata__, ilkka, shepazu, lgombos, wmaslowski, trackbot, dom
15:26:19 <dom> ACTION-316?
15:26:19 <trackbot> ACTION-316 -- Richard Tibbett to describe contacts write in Appendix of Contacts API -- due 2010-12-22 -- OPEN
15:26:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/316
15:26:37 <cmarc>  See  with Suresh, not on the call
15:28:14 <cmarc> contacts wrting have to be discussed 
15:29:24 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Dec/0045.html
15:30:00 <cmarc> TOPIC: timezone
15:30:25 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Dec/0045.html 
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15:30:58 <fjh> suggestion for chairs to contact ECMA TC-39 group to work on changes to the Date object or introduce a Calendar object
15:31:53 <dom> q+ to mention TC39 rhythm
15:32:29 <dom> ack me
15:32:29 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to mention TC39 rhythm
15:33:21 <fjh> summary - we should keep TC39 informed of our approach, but not delay our work
15:33:39 <fjh> action: fjh to follow up on ECMA TC-39 coordination
15:33:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-322 - Follow up on ECMA TC-39 coordination [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2011-01-12].
15:34:18 <fjh> Topic: Sysinfo
15:34:27 <fjh> Representing power properly
15:35:04 <cmarc_> how to deal the power, have a representation whre the battery has a negative value, etc...
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15:36:06 <fjh> we should integrate some of this discussion into the specification
15:36:47 <fjh> action: bryan to update sysinfo related to power discussion
15:36:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-323 - Update sysinfo related to power discussion [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2011-01-12].
15:37:06 <fjh> Topic: Messaging
15:37:09 <cmarc_> TOPIC: messaging
15:37:27 <fjh> updated doc, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jan/0011.html
15:37:30 <richt> zakim, who's making noise?
15:37:32 <fjh> please review updates
15:37:42 <Zakim> richt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ktaklee (40%), fjh (40%)
15:37:46 <fjh> also additional update may be needed based on ISSUE
15:38:00 <richt> zakim, mute ktaklee
15:38:00 <Zakim> ktaklee should now be muted
15:38:32 <fjh> remember, to see your actions, use http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/users/my
15:40:18 <Zakim> -Dom
15:40:20 <Zakim> -fjh
15:40:21 <Zakim> -richt
15:40:21 <Zakim> -lgombos
15:40:22 <Zakim> -cmarc
15:40:22 <Zakim> -ktaklee
15:40:24 <Zakim> -Dong-Young_Lee
15:40:24 <Zakim> -AnssiK
15:40:26 <Zakim> -Ingmar_Kliche
15:40:27 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:40:29 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, Dong-Young_Lee, AnssiK, Dom, richt, cmarc, lgombos, ktaklee, Ingmar_Kliche
15:40:29 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:40:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/05-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:41:00 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
15:41:03 <fjh> None
15:41:20 <fjh> Please review the latest drafts and look at the actions.
15:41:33 <fjh> Hope Robin feels better, and Happy New Year again.
15:41:37 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
15:41:45 <fjh> Regrets+ Robin_Berjon
15:41:53 <fjh> Present- Robin_Berjon
15:41:57 <fjh> Chair- Robin_Berjon
15:43:12 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:43:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/05-dap-minutes.html fjh
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