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16:58:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
16:58:54 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:58:54 <trackbot> Date: 14 December 2010
16:59:14 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
16:59:21 <Zakim> +boris
16:59:27 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Dec/0019.html
16:59:36 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
16:59:44 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
16:59:44 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
16:59:46 <Zakim> +Ivan
16:59:51 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
17:00:05 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
17:00:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ivan
17:00:25 <boris> zakim, who is here
17:00:25 <Zakim> boris, you need to end that query with '?'
17:00:28 <boris> zakim, who is here?
17:00:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see boris, mhausenblas, Ivan
17:00:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, boris, LeeF, hhalpin, mhausenblas, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
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17:00:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:00:52 <hhalpin> Zakim, [IPcaller] is hhalpin
17:00:52 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
17:01:07 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ted
17:01:07 <hhalpin> Zakim, mute me
17:01:07 <Zakim> hhalpin should now be muted
17:01:18 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
17:01:23 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Percy
17:01:31 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:01:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:01:33 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
17:01:41 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, please make logs public
17:01:51 <Zakim> +nunolopes
17:02:20 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:02:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see boris, mhausenblas, Ivan, hhalpin (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, nunolopes
17:02:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see nunolopes, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, boris, LeeF, hhalpin, mhausenblas, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:02:36 <mhausenblas> betehess, are you gonna join?
17:02:44 <mhausenblas> ericP?
17:02:50 <nunolopes> Zakim,  mute me
17:02:50 <Zakim> nunolopes should now be muted
17:03:08 <Zakim> +Alexandre
17:03:43 <Zakim> +Souri
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17:04:11 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
17:04:11 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas
17:04:43 <nunolopes> :)
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17:04:54 <mhausenblas> scribenick: nunolopes 
17:05:00 <mhausenblas> hey rrr
17:05:28 <nunolopes> TOPIC: Admin
17:05:38 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2010/12/07-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:05:55 <boris> +1
17:05:57 <hhalpin> +1
17:05:57 <betehess> +1
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17:06:13 <nunolopes> RESOLUTION: WG Accepted minutes from last week
17:06:47 <mhausenblas> ACTION-79?
17:06:47 <trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Michael Hausenblas to prepare a SemTech Tutorial -- due 2010-12-14 -- OPEN
17:06:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/79
17:06:48 <nunolopes> Ashok: I suggest we start with topic 5 from the agenda
17:06:54 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: ok
17:06:56 <Zakim> +Seema
17:07:39 <nunolopes> TOPIC: R2ML mapping to ontologies
17:07:55 <mhausenblas> our charter says:
17:07:57 <mhausenblas> [[
17:07:57 <mhausenblas> The mapping language specification SHOULD include guidance with regard to
17:07:57 <mhausenblas> mapping relational data to a subset of OWL such as OWL QL or OWL RL."
17:07:57 <mhausenblas> ]]
17:08:00 <nunolopes> Ashok: this is one of the documents part of the charter that we have to publish
17:08:13 <mhausenblas> Michael: see http://www.w3.org/2009/08/rdb2rdf-charter
17:08:14 <hhalpin> maybe make it part of the R2RML doc or an appendix? 
17:08:20 <nunolopes> … we should get someone to start thinking about it
17:08:33 <nunolopes> … I was hoping Percy could do it
17:08:43 <hhalpin> juan claims that he and marcelo were working on this, but neither are here.
17:08:56 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: what do you except here, guidance?
17:10:10 <hhalpin> q+
17:10:32 <nunolopes> Ashok: in charther, in the deliverables section it mentions RDF schema and OWL
17:10:39 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
17:10:41 <mhausenblas> ack hhalpin 
17:11:16 <nunolopes> hhalpin: the requirement would be that the schema would be mapped to RDFS or OWL
17:11:33 <betehess> [[ /me also reads [[ The mapping language SHOULD use W3C RIF whenever a rule engine is needed in the mapping language. ]]
17:11:34 <nunolopes> … we can think of this has being part of the language
17:11:44 <mhausenblas> q+
17:11:49 <nunolopes> … or produce a seperate document
17:12:23 <mhausenblas> q?
17:12:26 <nunolopes> Ashok: you had talked about doing this with direct mapping, how would this work?
17:12:30 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
17:12:49 <mhausenblas> @@Issue: As currently defined, the output of an R2RML mapping is an RDF dataset that contains triples reflecting the records in the database. The output is thus on the "instance level". A feature under discussion is the additional generation of an RDF Schema or OWL Ontology that reflects the constraints and valid inferences over the classes and properties in the generated dataset. This output would be on the "terminology level".
17:12:56 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: in the current version of the editors draft, the introduction says :
17:13:20 <nunolopes> … could we turn this note into and ISSUE
17:13:28 <hhalpin> maybe send this in e-mail out over the list as well to catch attention of eric, marcelo, and juan?
17:13:29 <nunolopes> … and from that derive what needs to be done
17:13:32 <Souri> q+
17:13:46 <mhausenblas> ack Souri
17:13:48 <betehess> q+ to say a word about priorities for Direct Mapping: first the data, then OWL
17:13:54 <mhausenblas> ack me
17:13:56 <ivan> +1 to have these properly on the issue list
17:14:00 <nunolopes> Souri: I was confused about the requirement
17:14:05 <mhausenblas> q?
17:14:15 <hhalpin> ahhh
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17:14:17 <nunolopes> … I thought we had to create an ontology for the R2RML vocabulary itself
17:14:19 <hhalpin> that could be useful as well.
17:14:27 <nunolopes> … I have a draft of this
17:14:42 <nunolopes> … but it seems the requirement is not that
17:15:07 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: now I just want to make sure the process is properly recorded
17:15:30 <betehess> +1 to have distinct issues
17:16:21 <nunolopes> Souri: what we are supposed to generate is from the relational data
17:16:47 <nunolopes> … map to OWL QL, subset which captures relational databases
17:17:04 <ivan> q+
17:17:08 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Souri adds issues to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ , one for Ashok's concern and one re each of the open, inline-Issues in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
17:17:09 <nunolopes> … the inferences would then be limited by OWL QL
17:17:11 <mhausenblas> q?
17:17:27 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
17:17:27 <Zakim> betehess, you wanted to say a word about priorities for Direct Mapping: first the data, then OWL
17:17:51 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:17:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see boris, mhausenblas, Ivan, hhalpin, Ashok_Malhotra, nunolopes (muted), Alexandre, Souri, Seema
17:17:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see juansequeda, Seema, Souri, nunolopes, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, boris, LeeF, hhalpin, mhausenblas, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:18:00 <nunolopes> betehess: for the direct mapping, we can think about generating extra triples
17:18:07 <mhausenblas> ack ivan 
17:18:09 <mhausenblas> q?
17:18:19 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:18:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:18:49 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about process
17:18:56 <nunolopes> ivan: in case I have an existing ontology that is not OWL QL?
17:19:25 <mhausenblas> ack me
17:19:25 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about process
17:19:33 <nunolopes> Souri: I was not thinking of an existing ontology, we may want to combine the ontologies yes
17:19:54 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: I have to insist on the fact that we want to have ISSUES
17:20:04 <nunolopes> … on the tracker
17:20:13 <nunolopes> … to assign actions to it
17:20:16 <betehess> s/also reads [[ The mapping language SHOULD use W3C RIF whenever a rule engine is needed in the mapping language/also reads: The mapping language SHOULD use W3C RIF whenever a rule engine is needed in the mapping language/
17:22:02 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Souri to adds issues to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ , one for Ashok's concern and one re each of the open, inline-Issues in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
17:22:02 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Souri
17:22:08 <Souri> sdas2
17:22:12 <Zakim> + +575737aaaa
17:22:12 <Seema> use sads2
17:22:15 <mhausenblas> ACTION: sdas2 to adds issues to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ , one for Ashok's concern and one re each of the open, inline-Issues in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/
17:22:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Adds issues to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ , one for Ashok's concern and one re each of the open, inline-Issues in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/ [on Souripriya Das - due 2010-12-21].
17:22:45 <nunolopes> … please make sure to flag the issue with the proper product
17:23:10 <nunolopes> TOPIC: R2RML linked data aspects
17:23:22 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: the charter is even stronger in this aspect
17:23:28 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/LinkedDataAspects
17:23:42 <nunolopes> … devise a mechanism for well known entites to have URIs
17:23:52 <hhalpin> q+
17:23:56 <nunolopes> … I can take an action to create an issue for that
17:23:57 <mhausenblas> ack hhalpin 
17:23:58 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
17:24:13 <nunolopes> hhalpin: just to remind that angela was interested in this as well
17:24:34 <nunolopes> … we can think of using some API calls to solve this
17:24:53 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: yes, good, something like opensearch
17:25:08 <nunolopes> … but again we are only defining the problem now
17:25:10 <hhalpin> My time is quite full, but I can e-mail the idea out to the list.
17:25:25 <hhalpin> or happy to review on weekends!
17:25:27 <Ashok> There is also the OKKAM work
17:26:12 <betehess> q+ to say that Eric and I don't plan to solve the Linked Data aspect within the Direct Mapping. we want to chain the Direct Mapping with other technologies (RIF, SPARQL CONSTRUCT)
17:26:23 <Ashok> Harry, please copy Angela on the note ... maybe we can get her interested again!
17:26:28 <hhalpin> ok
17:26:35 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: 	OKKAM was an EC project and are currently working on future steps
17:26:36 <hhalpin> I will send out a quick note
17:27:12 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to create a Linked Data issue and draft proposal to address
17:27:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Create a Linked Data issue and draft proposal to address [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-12-21].
17:27:34 <nunolopes> … we should take care not to rely on tech we are working on
17:28:08 <betehess> q?
17:28:16 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: would this be R2RML or direct mapping?
17:28:23 <betehess> q?
17:28:36 <nunolopes> juansequeda: Ashok: R2RML
17:28:46 <mhausenblas> q?
17:28:52 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
17:28:52 <Zakim> betehess, you wanted to say that Eric and I don't plan to solve the Linked Data aspect within the Direct Mapping. we want to chain the Direct Mapping with other technologies (RIF,
17:28:53 <betehess> ack next
17:28:57 <Zakim> ... SPARQL CONSTRUCT)
17:29:16 <nunolopes> betehess: just to talk about the aproach eric and I are working on
17:29:28 <hhalpin> sounds good
17:29:30 <nunolopes> … by using SPARLQ constructs we can rewrite the query directly
17:29:48 <Souri> s/SPARLQ/SPARQL/
17:29:59 <hhalpin> I think Alex just said that R2RML could handle that visa SPARQL or RIF
17:30:00 <ivan> +1 to betehess, b.t.w.
17:30:11 <hhalpin> but R2RML may want an easier plug-in mechanism
17:30:15 <mhausenblas> q?
17:30:19 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: we can start the issue under R2RML and if needed we change it to direct mapping
17:30:47 <betehess> hhalpin, I don't know for R2RML, but this is what we do for the Direct Mapping :-)
17:30:48 <nunolopes> TOPIC: dissemination
17:30:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION-79?
17:30:51 <trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Michael Hausenblas to prepare a SemTech Tutorial -- due 2010-12-14 -- OPEN
17:30:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/79
17:31:16 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: juansequeda created the wiki page regarding this
17:31:27 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/RDB2RDF_Publicity
17:32:06 <nunolopes> … there are venues
17:32:22 <nunolopes> … the other issue was to come up with a concrete proposal for semtech
17:32:32 <nunolopes> … both ivan and juan are in the commitee
17:32:49 <nunolopes> … so maybe it's better if I formalise the submition to avoid conflicts
17:33:00 <nunolopes> juansequeda: ok
17:33:26 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: we should start working on the proposal and circulate it among the WG
17:33:49 <nunolopes> … if there is no telco on the 4th we won't have a change to talk about it before the deadline
17:34:02 <nunolopes> … we can put something on the wiki and ask fro input from the WG
17:34:25 <nunolopes> juansequeda: I can start doing this on the wiki
17:34:48 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: let's discuss the options of submition with the WG
17:35:02 <nunolopes> juansequeda: we should have a 1h conference session
17:35:11 <mhausenblas> Michael: Full Conference Sessions (50min)   OR Half-Day Tutorials (3h)
17:35:16 <boris> or both?
17:35:18 <Souri> 1.5 hr extended session ?
17:35:18 <nunolopes> … other thing is if we should have a tutorial as weel
17:35:34 <betehess> a tutorial would mean you need to have a working prototype
17:35:35 <mhausenblas> http://semtech2011.semanticweb.com/cfp.cfm?pgid=40
17:36:15 <betehess> q+
17:36:16 <ivan> q+
17:36:21 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
17:36:26 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: I propose full conference session of half day tutorial
17:36:37 <nunolopes> betehess: for the tutorial do we need a prototype?
17:36:40 <mhausenblas> ack ivan 
17:36:42 <mhausenblas> q?
17:37:12 <betehess> +1 to Ivan
17:37:14 <nunolopes> ivan: our work is probably not suitable for a tutorial
17:37:20 <mhausenblas> q?
17:37:25 <juansequeda> +1 to Ivan
17:37:36 <nunolopes> … tutorial would mean that language would be close to finished
17:37:36 <Ashok> So, a 50 minute or 90 minute session?
17:37:49 <nunolopes> … tutorial for 2012 is better
17:38:13 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: so the proposal would be a 1h sesison?
17:38:19 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: We want a Full Conference Session for SemTech
17:38:39 <nunolopes> Ashok: can we explain both our documents in 1h?
17:38:39 <mhausenblas> q?
17:39:01 <nunolopes> ivan:  I did short presentation on both in about 25 minutes
17:39:08 <nunolopes> … not easy but doable
17:39:16 <Souri> +1 to 50-min
17:39:20 <juansequeda> +1
17:39:21 <ivan> +1
17:39:21 <Ashok> +1
17:39:22 <boris> +1
17:39:40 <nunolopes> RESOLVED: WG wants a full conference session for semtech (50m)
17:40:05 <betehess> +1
17:40:18 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Juan to draft a submission for a 50min session for SemTech on Wiki and ping WG mailing list
17:40:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Draft a submission for a 50min session for SemTech on Wiki and ping WG mailing list [on Juan Sequeda - due 2010-12-21].
17:40:38 <ivan> i am
17:40:42 <ivan> i plan to
17:40:44 <nunolopes> juansequeda: who knows if they will be at semtech?
17:41:21 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: when you send out the draft maybe ask who is planning on participating
17:41:31 <hhalpin> would be a good place to do a panel, but not planning on going
17:41:42 <ivan> not planning to go:-(
17:41:43 <nunolopes> juansequeda: there is also the possibility of doing a panel at ESWC
17:41:47 <hhalpin> I imagine it depends on paper acceptances
17:41:50 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: is somebody is going
17:42:03 <nunolopes> … let's see if we have participants
17:42:16 <nunolopes> … please also ask in an email
17:42:31 <nunolopes> juansequeda: I'm still going to update the venue list on the wiki
17:43:11 <nunolopes> … eventually we want to have a tutorial , deadline for ESWC is may
17:43:21 <nunolopes> TOPIC: review R2RML testcases
17:43:25 <mhausenblas> ACTION-81?
17:43:25 <trackbot> ACTION-81 -- Juan Sequeda to and Eric to draft Direct Mapping TC -- due 2010-12-14 -- OPEN
17:43:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/81
17:43:42 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1
17:44:08 <nunolopes> boris: the new testcases are still not in the wiki
17:44:44 <betehess>  /me is eager to have a machine readable test suite
17:44:56 <betehess> our prototype is ready to work with that
17:44:58 <nunolopes> … according to eric's proposal to reorganine the document is in the wiki
17:45:05 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#DB0
17:45:08 <nunolopes> … so far we have one test case on hold
17:45:23 <nunolopes> … we are wainting for the direct mapping
17:45:28 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#DB1
17:45:30 <nunolopes> … one is accepted
17:45:55 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#R2RMLTC0001b
17:45:56 <nunolopes> … next testcase
17:46:19 <nunolopes> … tests 1 colimn mapping with no primary keyt
17:46:35 <nunolopes> … so we have a bnode for the subject
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17:46:45 <nunolopes> … and map one column to a property
17:46:59 <boris> PROPOSAL: Accept http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#R2RMLTC0001b
17:47:25 <mhausenblas> +1
17:47:28 <nunolopes> RESOLVED: Accepted http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#R2RMLTC0001b
17:47:33 <ivan> looks o.k to me...
17:47:42 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:47:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see boris, mhausenblas, Ivan, hhalpin, Ashok_Malhotra, nunolopes (muted), Alexandre, Souri, Seema, +575737aaaa
17:47:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see MacTed, juansequeda, Seema, Souri, nunolopes, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, boris, LeeF, hhalpin, mhausenblas, ivan, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:47:56 <Souri> +1 (it took me a little longer)
17:48:04 <betehess> Zakim, aaaa is juansequeda 
17:48:04 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
17:48:05 <nunolopes> … next testcase
17:48:10 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#DB2
17:48:15 <hhalpin> I am not sure if the test cases need to be gone through one by one....I assume bugs will come out when implementations try to conform to them.
17:48:25 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#R2RMLTC0002a
17:48:49 <nunolopes> … here we have a table with 2 coluns and no primary key
17:49:00 <nunolopes> … the uri is generated by concatenating the two values
17:49:17 <betehess> should we accept if there is no Direct Mapping yet?
17:49:50 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: the syntax and testcases mutually influence each other
17:50:05 <mhausenblas> q?
17:50:09 <boris> for that database, there will be a default mapping test case http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases_v1#Direct_Graph_1
17:50:15 <nunolopes> … and these will probably form the basis for implementations 
17:50:31 <nunolopes> boris: for each database we will have a default mapping testcase
17:50:40 <nunolopes> … and one for the R2RML syntax
17:50:53 <nunolopes> Souri: A comment on 2a
17:51:11 <nunolopes> … nevermind
17:51:32 <mhausenblas> q?
17:51:37 <nunolopes> boris: any qestions?
17:51:46 <ivan> q+ on the overall methodology
17:51:59 <mhausenblas> ack ivan
17:51:59 <Zakim> ivan, you wanted to comment on the overall methodology
17:52:21 <nunolopes> ivan: not on the specific testcase but the methodology
17:52:34 <nunolopes> … 2 issues, the way we are doing this it will not scale
17:52:45 <nunolopes> … new testcases should be sent by email
17:52:53 <Souri> +1 to Ivan's proposal
17:53:02 <nunolopes> … and unless there is a negative review within a week this will become a testcase
17:53:22 <nunolopes> … the other problem is that I'm not sure how we want to use the testcases
17:53:23 <hhalpin> +1 
17:53:33 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
17:53:40 <nunolopes> … will the implementor have to cut-and-past the testcases
17:53:52 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: we can change the methodology
17:54:10 <nunolopes> … in the RDFa taskforce we initially reviewed the testcases
17:54:21 <nunolopes> … and for new ones we checked it
17:54:48 <nunolopes> …for the other question we will have a manifest document with the testcases in RDFa
17:54:55 <betehess> we should use this format even for no yet reviewed tests
17:55:03 <betehess> not wiki
17:55:06 <nunolopes> … automated testing using for instance mysql
17:55:37 <nunolopes> ivan: should we put a reference for the RDFa 
17:55:46 <mhausenblas> see http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
17:56:27 <nunolopes> … the editor's draft should behave as a manifest file 
17:56:34 <nunolopes> … with the testcases as RDFa
17:56:47 <nunolopes> … and we can even use automated reporting tools
17:56:51 <betehess> mhausenblas, please ask for votes for a PROPOSAL about the test suite: even not reviewed tests should follow your RDFa approach
17:57:32 <nunolopes> betehess: we should not use the wiki, but have 2 pages 
17:57:47 <nunolopes> … one for approved testcases and another for non aproved
17:58:02 <boris> 2 pages?
17:58:08 <boris> not wiki pages?
17:58:11 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: you mean to have 2 pages in the wiki
17:58:30 <nunolopes> betehess: no, on a differnet URL
17:58:58 <nunolopes> … but have it available even if the WG has not accepted it
17:59:21 <nunolopes> ivan: for the RDFa testsuite we can choose to see only approved testcases or all of them
17:59:43 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: for instance using a SPARQL query
17:59:49 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/test-description
18:00:01 <nunolopes> …. to select which testcases to see
18:00:27 <nunolopes> … so we don't necessarily need 2 pages
18:01:07 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: do we want to change the methodology?
18:01:16 <nunolopes> … for the test case approval
18:01:44 <nunolopes> ivan: when boris has a new test he would send out an email
18:01:51 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: how about the exiting ones
18:01:52 <nunolopes> ?
18:02:09 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
18:02:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:02:14 <nunolopes> ivan: for those I don't know
18:02:29 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
18:02:37 <nunolopes> boris: maybe I can send an email with the status of each
18:03:06 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: we can assume the non accepted ones are new testcases
18:03:07 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Hausenblas to move accepted TC from wiki to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
18:03:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Move accepted TC from wiki to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2010-12-21].
18:03:08 <hhalpin> +1
18:03:12 <nunolopes> … and follow ivan's suggestion
18:03:21 <nunolopes> TOPIC: AOB
18:03:36 <nunolopes> mhausenblas: I would suggest to resume on the 11th of Jan
18:03:44 <nunolopes> … not sure if I will be around
18:03:47 <juansequeda> +1
18:03:51 <boris> +1
18:04:00 <boris> actually is 12
18:04:11 <nunolopes> mhausenblas:  we'll resume on 11/1/11
18:04:13 <ivan> have a good rest everyone!
18:04:17 <nunolopes> bye
18:04:18 <Zakim> -hhalpin
18:04:18 <betehess> bye
18:04:19 <Zakim> -Souri
18:04:19 <Zakim> -Seema
18:04:21 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
18:04:21 <Zakim> -Alexandre
18:04:23 <ivan> zakim, bye
18:04:23 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rdb2rdf
18:04:23 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:04:24 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were boris, mhausenblas, Ivan, hhalpin, Ashok_Malhotra, nunolopes, Alexandre, Souri, Seema, +575737aaaa, juansequeda
18:04:25 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
18:04:32 <ivan> zakim, drop me
18:04:32 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:04:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:04:36 <nunolopes> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:04:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html nunolopes
18:04:49 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
18:04:49 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:04:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:04:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
18:04:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:04:51 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
18:04:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Souri to adds issues to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ , one for Ashok's concern and one re each of the open, inline-Issues in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/ [1]
18:04:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-22-02
18:04:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sdas2 to adds issues to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/ , one for Ashok's concern and one re each of the open, inline-Issues in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/ [2]
18:04:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-22-15
18:04:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to create a Linked Data issue and draft proposal to address [3]
18:04:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-27-12
18:04:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Juan to draft a submission for a 50min session for SemTech on Wiki and ping WG mailing list [4]
18:04:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-40-18
18:04:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Hausenblas to move accepted TC from wiki to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ [5]
18:04:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-rdb2rdf-irc#T18-03-07