IRC log of htmlspeech on 2010-12-02
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-htmlspeech-irc
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- trackbot, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
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- Date: 02 December 2010
- 16:51:52 [burn]
- zakim, this will be htmlspeech
- 16:51:52 [Zakim]
- ok, burn, I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM already started
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- Chair: Dan Burnett
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- um, seems like my network connection is pretty bad today
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 16:55:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bjorn_Bringert
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- zakim, code?
- 16:55:39 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 48657 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), burn
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- +Dan_Burnett
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- I am Bjorn_Bringert
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- Zakim, I am Bjorn_Bringert
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- ok, bringert, I now associate you with Bjorn_Bringert
- 16:56:06 [burn]
- zakim, nick burn is Dan_Burnett
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- ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett
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- +??P25
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- Zakim, ??P25 is Olli_Pettay
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- +Olli_Pettay; got it
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- +??P31
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- zakim, I am ??P31
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- +marc; got it
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- + +1.732.507.aaaa
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- +??P4
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- +Milan_Young
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- +Debbie_Dahl
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- zakim, aaaa is Raj_Tumuluri
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- +Raj_Tumuluri; got it
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- zakim, ??P4 is Raj_Tumuluri
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- +Raj_Tumuluri; got it
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 17:03:55 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bjorn_Bringert, Dan_Burnett, Olli_Pettay, marc, Raj_Tumuluri, Raj_Tumuluri.a, Milan_Young, Debbie_Dahl
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- zakim, nick marc is Marc_Schroeder
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- sorry, marc, I do not see a party named 'Marc_Schroeder'
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- zakim, aaaa is Anthapu
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- sorry, burn, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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- Scribe: Raj Tumuluri
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- Scribenick: Raj
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- Topic: minutes from last week's call
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0024.html
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- Topic: minutes from last week's call
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- Minutes Approved
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- Next Topic: Updated Requirements Document
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- No objections to the new requirements document
- 17:09:54 [Raj]
- First Topic: R14 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0015.html
- 17:10:23 [Raj]
- Bjorn proposed rew-wording..are there any objections?
- 17:10:29 [Raj]
- No Objections from the group
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- Next Topic: R25 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0014.html
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- There were some recommendation to the wording ....are there any objections?
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- No objections from the group
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- Next Topic: R24 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0018.html
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- No objections recorded for the above requirement
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- Next Topic: R2 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0023.html
- 17:13:33 [Raj]
- Proposal to replace R2 with two new requirements sent through emails ( last email on Monday)
- 17:14:01 [Raj]
- 1. Recogntion w/o specifying grammars should be possible
- 17:14:50 [Raj]
- mylan: Did we agree to specify language as part of grammar
- 17:15:52 [Raj]
- Bjorn's wording: Should be possible to specify the language completely independently of the grammar
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- s/mylan/milan
- 17:16:25 [burn]
- bjorn: we already have a requirement to address this
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- FPR38.
- 17:16:51 [Raj]
- Milan : I did not see that requirement in the document
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- milan: does not say "separately from the grammar"
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- bjorn: you're right
- 17:17:36 [Raj]
- Milan: Are we using notes as reference or the formal Requirements as the basis
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- Burn: You are right..the requirements document to be the basis, and not the notes
- 17:18:25 [Raj]
- Bjorn: Michael suggested that we use the text from the notes to reword the requirements doc
- 17:18:33 [burn]
- milan and bjorn: we need text for the new requirements
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- 2. App. should be able to specify lang for each recognition
- 17:19:31 [Raj]
- Milan: My concern is that we are NOT capturing all our discussions in the Req. Spec
- 17:20:13 [Raj]
- Bjorn: we should not do this on the phone, but, let Michael incorporate the notes into the spec
- 17:20:22 [burn]
- action for michael: add text for each new requirement
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - for
- 17:20:44 [Raj]
- Burn: to send Michael action item to update the spec incorporating the notes from minutes
- 17:20:46 [marc]
- action: Michael to add text for each new requirement
- 17:20:46 [trackbot]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Michael
- 17:20:46 [trackbot]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mbodell2, mjohnsto)
- 17:21:12 [Raj]
- Michael is Michael Bodell
- 17:21:21 [marc]
- action: mbodell2 to add text for each new requirement
- 17:21:21 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1 - Add text for each new requirement [on Michael Bodell - due 2010-12-09].
- 17:22:14 [Raj]
- Burn: So, we do have agreement on the 2 new reqs for R2
- 17:22:33 [Raj]
- Next topic: R10 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0017.html
- 17:23:04 [Raj]
- Burn: Few more emails came on this topic post my sending the summary earlier today
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- Burn: Implementations must support SSML
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- Agreed to drop R10
- 17:23:51 [Raj]
- Next topic: R20 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0021.html
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- + +44.207.881.aabb
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- zakim, aabb is Satish_Sampath
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- +Satish_Sampath; got it
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- rrsagent,format minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-htmlspeech-minutes.html ddahl
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- s/Next Topic:/Topic
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- rrsagent, format minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-htmlspeech-minutes.html ddahl
- 17:27:00 [Raj]
- Bjorn: Selecting a voice can be done without SSMl
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- being a requirement
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- s/Topic/topic:
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- rrsagent, format minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-htmlspeech-minutes.html ddahl
- 17:27:58 [Raj]
- Topic: R23 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0016.html
- 17:29:06 [Raj]
- Marc: Is it possible to indicate preference of voices ( like take female voice from among the available)
- 17:29:53 [Raj]
- Bjorn: But you cannot specify a specific engine from a specific vendor, is that correct?
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- s/First Topic:/topic:
- 17:30:50 [Raj]
- Burn: We have a req. to use SSML but not SSML 1.1,
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- ...SSML1.1 has many of the features for selection of language etc.
- 17:31:51 [Raj]
- Milan: If there is no addtional burden, then requiring SSML1.1 seems OK
- 17:32:20 [burn]
- s/Milan/Bjorn/
- 17:32:38 [Raj]
- Bjorn: If there is no addtional burden, then requiring SSML1.1 seems OK
- 17:33:29 [Raj]
- Burn: So, we can put it into the req. and deal with at the time of priorization
- 17:34:13 [Raj]
- Marc: May be we should delay decision on this..
- 17:34:36 [marc]
- Proposed wording:
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- ...letting author to specify the language..March to type the wording
- 17:34:54 [marc]
- Web application authors should be able to specify the voice with which some text is to be spoken.
- 17:34:58 [Raj]
- s/March/Marc
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- burn: That wording is OK by me
- 17:36:28 [bringert]
- Web apps should be able to specify which voice is used for TTS
- 17:37:32 [Raj]
- Burn: Bjorn's text will replace the text for R20
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- ..Team agreed
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- Topic: R12 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0019.html
- 17:38:16 [Raj]
- ..oops
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- Topic: R23 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0016.html
- 17:38:42 [burn]
- there seemed to be consensus to add "When speech input is used to provide input to a web app, it should be possible for the user to select alternative input methods."
- 17:39:16 [Raj]
- I agree
- 17:41:34 [Raj]
- ....there is group agreement on this.
- 17:41:35 [burn]
- for the next piece: Chan's last email was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Nov/0207.html
- 17:41:43 [Raj]
- Burn: Burn: There is a second thread, initiated by Chan...since he is not on the call today, we can defer the detailed discussion on that..
- 17:42:38 [Raj]
- Burn: Chan has multiple threads...on this..so, we can just let this happen through email rather than on the phone
- 17:42:55 [Raj]
- Group has no objection with Dan Burnett's suggestion
- 17:43:06 [Raj]
- Topic: R12 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0019.html
- 17:43:34 [Raj]
- ...webapp developer should be able to specify name-specific Language Model
- 17:43:39 [burn]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 17:43:39 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bjorn_Bringert, Dan_Burnett, Olli_Pettay, marc, Raj_Tumuluri, Raj_Tumuluri.a, Milan_Young, Debbie_Dahl, Satish_Sampath
- 17:44:14 [Raj]
- Burn: We can discuss, but check with Robert, as he has some comments on this
- 17:45:02 [Raj]
- Dahl: The comment from Robert came just last night..and afraid many did not have a chance to review it adequately
- 17:45:56 [ddahl]
- actually, the requirement was only sent to the list for discussion last night
- 17:46:41 [Raj]
- Burn: Let's not discuss MUST vs. SHOULD now,.but if there are any other suggestions..we can discuss that..
- 17:49:15 [Raj]
- Burn: There is no standard for that right now..
- 17:49:37 [Raj]
- Bjorn: If the standard becomes available in future, it may be possible to specify this with URI
- 17:50:25 [Raj]
- Burn: It seems that we have agreement on this among the people on the call.....
- 17:50:46 [Raj]
- Burn: We will keep R12 as stated and confirm it on the mailing list
- 17:52:28 [Raj]
- Topic: UA/SS (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2010Dec/0020.html
- 17:53:21 [Milan]
- Transport layer security (e.g. HTTPS) if requested by the web app.
- 17:53:36 [Raj]
- ...Milan to post the 3 requirements under this topic
- 17:54:29 [Raj]
- Bjorn: We agreed on the priority level of req..
- 17:55:08 [smaug_]
- bringert: did you really said that ^^
- 17:55:16 [Raj]
- Burn: There are many reqs.. that may be very relevant...
- 17:56:29 [Raj]
- Bjorn: WebApp API and UA-2-SpeechAPI are two separate reqs.
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- +Dan_Burnett.a
- 17:56:45 [burn]
- zakim, I am Dan_Burnett.a
- 17:56:45 [Zakim]
- ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett.a
- 17:58:03 [Raj]
- Bjorn: Correction on Bjorns' comment on priority level...Expunge from minutes
- 17:59:03 [Raj]
- Bjorn: Core needed for any speech API and the other for WebApps..
- 17:59:47 [Zakim]
- -Milan_Young
- 18:00:01 [Raj]
- Burn: Is there anything else that we need to cover today?
- 18:00:51 [Raj]
- Burn: suggest Bjorn correct the statements himself with the appropriate wording..
- 18:00:54 [bringert]
- My position on grouping requirements: We should split the requirements document in two sections: 1. Requirements needed for any HTML Speech API, 2. Requirements only needed for web app specified network speech servies.
- 18:00:59 [Zakim]
- -Olli_Pettay
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- -Raj_Tumuluri
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- -Debbie_Dahl
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- End Minutes
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- -marc
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- s/servies/services/
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- -Dan_Burnett.a
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- -Satish_Sampath
- 18:02:27 [bringert]
- What I said about priorities: There was a discussion of the relative priorities of the core Web app - UA API, and the network speech services API, and we didn't come to a conclusion.
- 18:03:51 [bringert]
- My position (as I've communicated on the mailing list) is that the Web app API should be considered the core API, and the APIs for specifying and communicating with network speech services should be considered extensions of lower priority.
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- -Bjorn_Bringert
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- -Raj_Tumuluri.a
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- +[Microsoft]
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- -[Microsoft]
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- disconnecting the lone participant, Dan_Burnett, in INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM
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- INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Bjorn_Bringert, Dan_Burnett, Olli_Pettay, marc, +1.732.507.aaaa, Milan_Young, Debbie_Dahl, Raj_Tumuluri, +44.207.881.aabb, Satish_Sampath, [Microsoft]
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make log public
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