15:10:52 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 15:10:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-irc 15:11:04 Zakim has joined #aapi 15:11:11 zakim, this will be aapi 15:11:11 ok, Andi, I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM already started 15:11:15 oops, on my way 15:11:19 rrsagent, make logs public 15:11:27 rrsagent, make log world 15:11:33 Scribe: Andi 15:11:40 Meeting: AAPI 15:11:52 Chair: Cynthia 15:12:52 + +1.416.848.aaaa 15:14:33 topic: Action items from last week 15:14:55 bug 6883: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6883 15:16:29 bug 7634: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7634 15:16:36 AS: started discussion on mailing list 15:16:59 cyns has joined #aapi 15:17:17 Thread starts here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2010OctDec/0069.html 15:18:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2010OctDec/0070.html 15:19:34 CS: names and values are completely different things in MSAA 15:19:52 CS: agree that AT should read it but don't think that putting it in the name is the right way to accomplish that 15:20:41 CS: might be able to get it changed in a future release of IE but doubt it. The team is going to think the spec is wrong. 15:22:35 AS: Joseph agrees that this could be a MAY but doesn't agree that the IE implementation is correct in the example given in the e-mail 15:23:20 DB: if we pass the string "flash the screen times" to the AT, then the AT has to figure out where to put the number "5" 15:23:27 CS: this is a problem with localization 15:23:32 DB: yes, but it happens in the wild 15:23:54 CS: can live with MAY or SHOULD but IE probably won't change 15:24:00 DB: okay with SHOULD 15:25:30 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_nd 15:28:08 CS: think this is the only place where Microsoft "disagrees" with what's in the UAIG vs. just haven't gotten around to doing what's in there 15:28:30 DB: what does Safari do? 15:28:50 AS: not sure but think that if Safari didn't do this, James would have raised an issue with the spec 15:29:47 AS: if Safari includes the embedded control within the text alternative computation, then we have two implementations and there is no issue 15:30:09 MichaelC_ has joined #aapi 15:30:20 bug 10288: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10288 15:31:51 DB: haven't figured out who wants this so not addressing it for now 15:32:17 AS: but this may keep us from getting to W3C Recommendation if we have something in the ARIA spec but there is no mapping for it 15:34:44 AS: we also don't have a mapping for "search" 15:34:55 CS: think search is mapped as a text box 15:35:14 DB: also HTML5 element input type="search" 15:35:24 CS: think it's a hole but we don't have it right now 15:35:44 CS: pretty sure it would show up in the UIA role property 15:42:33 put "no mapping" in the table. Add an editorial note and ask for feedback. 15:42:49 footnote or asterisk 15:43:22 bug 9368 15:44:27 AS: completed the work but needs through review by David and Cynthia 15:45:33 bug 8319: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8319 15:45:44 CS: had related HTML5 piece of work 15:46:12 AS: not sure this is related to the UAIG Last Call 15:46:56 bug 9656: not done 15:48:14 command stuff http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIAinHTML5#basis_for_changes_to_command_roles 15:48:17 bug 7064: closed 15:48:45 bug 7984: Steven F has not responded to two pings from Andi but this is not a LC issue 15:49:00 http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/aria-html5-proposal.html 15:52:01 bug 7128 is fixed and closed 15:52:37 Cynthia: find out what IE does with aria-hidden. Does it remove the element from the tree? (action 666) 15:52:48 DB: has patch ready to go for FF to remove it from the tree 15:53:36 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/666 15:58:16 MichaelC has joined #aapi 16:01:42 - +1.416.848.aaaa 16:01:44 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 16:01:45 -Cynthia_Shelly 16:01:47 WAI_PFWG(AAPI)10:00AM has ended 16:01:47 action: David to find out what AccessibleSelection should be as there is no interface in IA2 for AccessibleSelection 16:01:48 Attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly, +1.416.848.aaaa 16:12:47 action 166: Done - also closes actions 632 and 667 and bug 9363 16:13:09 s/action 166/action166? 16:13:19 rrsagent, make minutes 16:13:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi 16:56:43 Laura has joined #aapi 17:29:45 Zakim has left #aapi 18:23:45 Andi: the minutes don't show me as present (not sure it matters) 18:31:54 I didn't identify myself 18:32:04 i showed up as a phone number 18:32:49 s/+1.416.848.aaaa/David_Bolter/ 18:32:56 rrsagent, make minutes 18:32:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi 18:35:12 s/Andi: the minutes don't show me as present (not sure it matters)// 18:35:24 s/I didn't identify myself// 18:35:39 s/i showed up as a phone number// 18:36:23 rrsagent, make minutes 18:36:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi 18:36:49 s/action166?/action166/ 18:36:59 rrsagent, make minutes 18:36:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi 18:45:55 s/through review by David and Cynthia/thorough review by David and Cynthia/ 18:46:54 s/action166: Done/action166 is done/ 18:46:58 rrsagent, make minutes 18:46:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi 18:47:51 s/oops, on my way// 18:47:55 rrsagent, make minutes 18:47:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi 18:53:10 topic: HTML and non-ARIA specific sections, should they really be normative? 18:53:29 CS and DB think maybe they should not be 18:53:45 action: Andi to discuss with Michael Cooper to get his recommendation 18:54:05 topic: Section 3.1 18:54:29 These are the steps for implementing tabindex 18:55:18 AS: steps 8 & 9 look like maybe they should be covered in 4.1 where we have the rules for what to put in the accessible tree and what must not be in it. 18:55:41 AS: 8 is already covered I think 18:55:51 AS: but on second thought, 9 had better stay where it is 18:56:33 DB: change "The user agents MUST do the following to enable tabindex on all elements" to "The user agent MUST do the following to enable accessible tabindex usage on all elements." 18:57:17 rrsagent, make minutes 18:57:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-aapi-minutes.html Andi