IRC log of webperf on 2010-12-01
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-irc
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- meeting: Web Performance Working Group Meeting #12
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- clear the agenda
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- scribe:AndersonQuach
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- present+ AndersonQuach
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- agenda+ Feedback and results on the name-search for window.(performance | webPerformance | pagePerformance).
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- agenda+ Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication.
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- agenda+ Unload Event feedback.
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- agenda+ Review a test case.
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- agenda+ Resource timing.
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- agenda+ Any other business.
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- zakim, list conferences
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- I see VB_VBWG(SCXML)12:00PM, WAI_PF()12:00PM, Style_CSS FP()12:00PM, Team_(site)16:55Z, Team_W3M()8:00AM, RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM active
- 17:00:33 [plh]
- zakim, this is web-per
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- also scheduled at this time are T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM, Team_(SANDISK)11:30AM, INC_SWXG()11:00AM
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- ok, plh; that matches RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM
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- +Plh
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- + +1.650.253.aaaa
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- -[Microsoft]
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- - +1.650.253.aaaa
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- -Plh
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- zakim, drop plh
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- RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were [Microsoft], Plh, +1.650.253.aaaa
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- sorry, plh, I don't know what conference this is
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- RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM has now started
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- +[Microsoft]
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- + +1.650.253.aaaa
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- +Zhiheng
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- zakim, passcode?
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- the conference code is 97373 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), plh
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- +Philippe
- 17:02:24 [AndersonQuach]
- present+ Christian'
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- present+ ArvindJain
- 17:02:37 [AndersonQuach]
- Chair: ArvindJain
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- + +1.650.704.aabb
- 17:03:09 [zhiheng]
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- present+ Zhiheng
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- list the agenda
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- +James
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- agenda+ publishing an updated working draft
- 17:09:27 [AndersonQuach]
- AndersonQuach: query results returned, 0 hits with pagePerformance, however recommend performance due to low risks, alternatively webperformance also at zero hits.
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- Zhiheng: want to discuss a read/write attribute rather than read-only.
- 17:11:02 [AndersonQuach]
- NicJansma: if we remove read-only, can we revert to the browser implementation.
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- Christian: What is the adv. for read/write?
- 17:11:24 [simonjam]
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- NicJansma: Site compat, to reduce chances for sites throwing script errors?
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- Christian: you can still get errors with the attribute being read/write?
- 17:13:04 [AndersonQuach]
- plh: making it read-write any application can modify it.
- 17:14:01 [AndersonQuach]
- Zhiheng: performance makes more sense to me.
- 17:15:26 [AndersonQuach]
- Zhiheng: Let's move forward with performance, the risks seem to be low.
- 17:16:02 [AndersonQuach]
- Topic: Feedback and results on the name-search for window.(performance | webPerformance | pagePerformance).
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- Zhiheng: Decision to continue to use window.performance.
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- next agenda
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- next agenda
- 17:16:36 [plh]
- zakim, close agendum 1
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- agendum 1, Feedback and results on the name-search for window.(performance | webPerformance | pagePerformance)., closed
- 17:16:38 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 17:16:38 [plh]
- zakim, move to next agendum
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- 2. Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication. [from AndersonQuach]
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- agendum 2. "Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication." taken up [from AndersonQuach]
- 17:19:45 [AndersonQuach]
- Zhiheng: I agree for connect to include end to end time, including tcp connection, socks and ssl.
- 17:20:03 [AndersonQuach]
- AndersonQuach: Let's not include SOCKS, does not pertain to the website.
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- Zhiheng: may-level requirement to have handshakeEnd == connectEnd if SSL in the picture.
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- NicJansma: Existence of the attribute may be confusing, if it does not work.
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- topic: Connect phase feedback, SSL Handshake and SOCKS authentication.
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- Zhiheng: agreed, optional for the handshake phase for user agents that no insight to the network stack.
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- Christian: better to be zero, if there is no handshake.
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- Zhiheng: there are three values: undefined, 0 for no handshake, and value when there is a handshake.
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- Zhiheng: End of handshake would be connectEnd
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- close agendum 2
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- move to agendum 3
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- topic: "Unload Event feedback."
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- http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/history.html#unloading-documents
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- Zhiheng: I'm okay with capturing it as the unload handler as site developers have the most control over this.
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- close agenda 3
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- move to agenda 4
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- topic: Review a test case."
- 17:45:55 [AndersonQuach]
- AndersonQuach: feedback, we should include: title of tests, description of tests, objective, and clear pass / fail criteria.
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- AndersonQuach: would recommend that we pursue self-contained tests until we need a common infrastructure for testing async behavior and etc.
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- http://test.w3.org/html/tests/approved/canvas/canvas_colorsandstyles_addcolorstop_001.htm
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- AndersonQuach: this is a great start
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- NicJansma: Thanks for taking the lead. We'll follow offline with the recommendations for details on the tests.
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- close agendum 4
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- topic: Resource timing.
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- AndersonQuach: James, thanks for summarizing.
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- NicJansma: Is there a recommendation you have?
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- simonjam: Yes, the first proposal, attaching to the simple event.
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- -Zhiheng
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- -Philippe
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- - +1.650.253.aaaa
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- -James
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- -[Microsoft]
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- - +1.650.704.aabb
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- RWC_web-per(WPWG)12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.650.253.aaaa, Zhiheng, Philippe, +1.650.704.aabb, James
- 18:53:25 [AndersonQuach]
- topic: Summary
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- 1. Closed in window.performance namespace, moving forward with the name for future extensibility due to the low risks outlined in this meeting.
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- 2. handShakeStart added as a new [optional] attribute with three states: undefined for those browsers that do not have insight to the network-stack, 0 value for non-ssl connections and a time-stamp for ssl connections. connectEnd will capture the full end-to-end time, including SOCKS and SSL handshake.
- 18:58:01 [AndersonQuach]
- 3. unloadEventStart, unloadEventEnd to capture the start and end of the unload event handler. The unloadEventStart already captures the beginning of the document clean-up steps as outlined in http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/history.html#unloading-documents. The goal is to provide actionable data to site developers.
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- 4. Test cases should include: Title, Description / objective and clear pass / fail criteria.
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- 5. Review offline and provide feedback for Resource Timing proposals as outlined in James’ summary email.
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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- regrets+ JasonWeber
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webperf-minutes.html AndersonQuach
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- clear the agenda
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- Zakim, please part
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- rrsagent, please part
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- I see no action items