IRC log of html-a11y on 2010-11-17

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20:58:17 [janina]
zakim, this will be 26631
20:58:17 [Zakim]
ok, janina; I see Team_(media1)21:00Z scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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zakim, call janina
20:58:25 [Zakim]
ok, janina; the call is being made
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Team_(media1)21:00Z has now started
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+Janina
20:58:45 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
20:58:45 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Janina
20:58:46 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, JF, silvia, gfreed, oedipus_away, MichaelC, sideshow, trackbot
20:59:14 [JF]
the call is restricted at this time?
20:59:17 [janina]
Hi, Everyone: REMINDER Zakim Code today is 26631#
20:59:26 [JF]
aha
20:59:30 [janina]
John, use today';s zakim code
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+John_Foliot
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+ +1.617.365.aaaa
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zakim, +1.617.365.aaaa is Geoff_Freed
21:00:56 [Zakim]
+Geoff_Freed; got it
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+silvia
21:03:39 [janina]
scribe: janina
21:03:46 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
21:04:07 [janina]
Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
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Chair: John_Foliot
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agenda: this
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agenda+ Identify Scribe
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agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
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agenda+ Candidate Formats Review: WebSRT; TTML
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agenda+ Other Business?
21:04:12 [janina]
agenda+ next meeting; Should we shift our start time?
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agenda+ be done
21:04:26 [janina]
zakim, next item
21:04:26 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
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If she can last, Janina will attempt to do the honors today ...
21:05:02 [janina]
zakim, next item
21:05:02 [Zakim]
agendum 1 was just opened, janina
21:05:09 [janina]
zakim, close item 1
21:05:09 [Zakim]
agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
21:05:10 [Zakim]
I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
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zakim, next item
21:05:19 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
21:05:23 [Sean]
conference code?
21:06:59 [silvia]
zakim, code?
21:06:59 [Zakim]
the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), silvia
21:07:36 [Sean]
the code is not letting me in. says restricted at this time
21:07:56 [janina]
Sean, you need to use 26631#
21:08:17 [janina]
It's our special zakim code for today only -- 26631#
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+Sean_Hayes
21:09:13 [JF]
zakim, whos here
21:09:13 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'whos here', JF
21:09:21 [JF]
zakim who is here
21:09:31 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
21:09:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Janina, John_Foliot, Geoff_Freed, silvia (muted), Sean_Hayes
21:09:34 [Zakim]
On IRC I see JF, Sean, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, silvia, gfreed, oedipus_away, MichaelC, sideshow, trackbot
21:12:17 [janina]
agenda?
21:13:44 [JF]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/67
21:13:52 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
21:13:52 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
21:14:17 [janina]
re action 67 on to file bugs we will close action 67
21:14:28 [silvia]
close action-67
21:14:29 [trackbot]
ACTION-67 And Silvia (and perhaps Eric) to file bugs to tweak language in Editors draft closed
21:14:35 [janina]
re action 68 on jf --
21:14:36 [JF]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/68
21:14:48 [janina]
leave open
21:15:08 [janina]
re action 69 on silvia -
21:15:15 [JF]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/69
21:15:27 [janina]
done
21:15:36 [silvia]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Mapping_to_Requirements
21:15:46 [silvia]
close action-69
21:15:46 [trackbot]
ACTION-69 Work up checklist table for WebSRT closed
21:15:49 [JF]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/76
21:16:30 [silvia]
close action-76
21:16:31 [trackbot]
ACTION-76 Replace the technology column in our matrix with Frank's categorizations closed
21:16:48 [janina]
leave action-76 open for now
21:16:59 [janina]
OK, we'll close it!
21:17:23 [JF]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/88
21:19:14 [janina]
Biggest issue is how to get data from client to server
21:19:25 [janina]
Silvia is part of the Wg
21:19:46 [janina]
This action was cloned from PF which was interested in general.
21:20:01 [janina]
PF cloned it because it seemed particularly appropriate to Media in HTML
21:20:18 [janina]
We'll leave it open for now.
21:20:22 [janina]
zakim, next ietm
21:20:22 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'next ietm', janina
21:20:28 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "Candidate Formats Review: WebSRT; TTML" taken up [from janina]
21:21:58 [Sean]
http://sn1-pptbroadcast.officeapps.live.com/PowerPointBroadcast.aspx?pptbid=c399ec9a-0ac9-40f5-a4b0-ee98aa0460d7
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This is Sean's web slide presentation ...
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Designed to support multiple formats, smil compatible
21:28:04 [janina]
Can construct own profile in xml
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Supports custom timing
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Requires a default lang, but inline lang also supported
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Can define custom profile, or use one of the provided standard profiles
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Hierarchy: div, p, span ...
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Netflicks captioning in DFXP
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It's one level -- cannot div inside a div
21:32:59 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
21:34:45 [janina]
Style defining authoring intent
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Allows grouping of inline styles, so that locating captions doesn't become overly verbose
21:35:57 [janina]
If wanted css, would apply over that
21:36:42 [janina]
CSS styling would work--it's just external to TTML itself
21:36:46 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
21:38:19 [janina]
User styling overide would use an external style sheet
21:38:35 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
21:38:39 [janina]
JF: Could we create a profile that disallowed internal ttml styling?
21:38:45 [janina]
Sean: Yes, will address shortly
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-Janina
21:40:43 [janina]
zakim, drop janina
21:40:43 [Zakim]
sorry, janina, I do not see a party named 'janina'
21:40:48 [janina]
zakim, call janina
21:40:48 [Zakim]
ok, janina; the call is being made
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+Janina
21:41:48 [silvia]
q+
21:42:00 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
21:42:06 [janina]
Style can reference a previous style block
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-Janina
21:42:45 [janina]
zakim drop me
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zakim, call janina
21:42:51 [Zakim]
ok, janina; the call is being made
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+Janina
21:43:05 [janina]
zakim, drop janina
21:43:05 [Zakim]
Janina is being disconnected
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-Janina
21:43:13 [janina]
zakim, call janina
21:43:13 [Zakim]
ok, janina; the call is being made
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+Janina
21:43:55 [janina]
Would a browser that implements ttml need to implement ttml styling, or at least a mapping to css
21:44:22 [janina]
Most maps to css2, some only to css3
21:44:35 [janina]
Silvia: So mapping is required?
21:44:43 [janina]
Sean: Yes, will discuss shortly
21:44:49 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
21:45:03 [JF]
JF wonders about browser extensions (common in emergent CSS3)
21:45:19 [janina]
TTML pub date is tomorrow -- Thursday, 18 November
21:45:30 [janina]
zakim, make log public
21:45:30 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make log public', janina
21:45:40 [janina]
zakim, make minutes public
21:45:40 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make minutes public', janina
21:45:45 [janina]
zakim, make minutes
21:45:45 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make minutes', janina
21:45:54 [janina]
rrsagent, make log public
21:46:00 [janina]
rrsagent, make minutes
21:46:00 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
21:46:31 [janina]
BBC is using for English and Welsh captions
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Several iptv players, some ed sites, and free conversion tools supporting ttml
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q+
21:48:21 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
21:48:21 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
21:48:21 [janina]
Geoff: NCAM has player -- Adobe flash uses ttml
21:49:04 [janina]
Silvia: How much content uses more than just basic ml?
21:49:26 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
21:49:26 [Zakim]
silvia should now be muted
21:49:57 [janina]
Sean: several authoring tools that are quite complete
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Sean: From what appears on line, more than the basics
21:50:41 [janina]
jf: the jw player also supports ttml profile
21:50:45 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
21:50:45 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
21:51:02 [janina]
Silvia: which?
21:51:07 [janina]
jf: same as adobe?
21:51:15 [janina]
Silvia: which does adobe support?
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jf: xml like
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basic profile
21:51:41 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
21:53:08 [janina]
Sean: Next slide, Moby Dick slide, added DC metadata, and showing structured nav points
21:53:33 [janina]
Sean: Shows a straight forward extension of ttml, not implemented anywhere yet
21:57:01 [janina]
Sean: Pretty straight forward mapping for IE9 and Firefox, a bit more problematic for Safari
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+Judy
21:57:22 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
21:57:22 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
21:57:54 [silvia]
Sean: http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/ <- ogg encoder
21:59:05 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
21:59:05 [Zakim]
silvia should now be muted
21:59:53 [janina]
jf: could one create a block for caption text that enlarged text?
22:00:24 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
22:00:24 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
22:00:27 [janina]
Sean: Yes, mapping at each time segment
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Kenny, we're at zakim code 26631 today only
22:02:32 [kenny_j]
thanks janina. will join in a sec
22:03:01 [JF]
http://www.3playmedia.com/
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zakim, mute me
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silvia should now be muted
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Discussion on locating caption text -- over video or alongside?
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+ +039038aabb
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Sean: My ttml profile supports anywhere
22:03:45 [silvia]
zakim, who is here?
22:03:45 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Janina, John_Foliot, Geoff_Freed, silvia (muted), Sean_Hayes, Judy, +039038aabb
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On IRC I see kenny_j, Sean, JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, silvia, gfreed, oedipus_away, MichaelC, sideshow, trackbot
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zakim, +039038aabb is Kenny_Johar
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+Kenny_Johar; got it
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zakim, unmute me
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silvia should no longer be muted
22:07:07 [janina]
Geoff: There are other applications of TTML in the works, and I believe it's use is much wider than Sean showed.
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Geoff: Uptick because it's a W3C recommendation (tomorrow)
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Silvia now presenting on WebSRT
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http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide1
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-Sean_Hayes
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-Judy
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can someone remind me of the code
22:10:04 [silvia]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), silvia
22:10:07 [JF]
26631
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+Sean_Hayes
22:12:40 [janina]
SRT was attractive to me because it's so trivial to parse.
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q+
22:13:24 [janina]
Mozilla's current official position is that ttml not compatible with how Mozilla wants to handle captions
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I want to leave that aside, though, and look at this from our requirements perspective
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WebSRT has been developed specifically for html5, expanding on SRT
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Intent is that people can post their SRT files on the web, and they'll just work ...
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+Plh
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Silvia's explaining ml in slide 3
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plh: http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide3
22:21:59 [janina]
Looking at slide 4 -- WebSRT for captions, texted video descriptions, subtitles, and kareoke
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rrsagent, where am I?
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See http://www.w3.org/2010/11/17-html-a11y-irc#T22-22-07
22:22:46 [janina]
PLH: We're on zakim 26631, if you want to join
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Minimal ml available for text, by intent
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janina, I'm on the bridge
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Great, PLH.
22:26:16 [janina]
Slide 6 -- Showing how it comes together
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Chapters there for navigation, using identifier plus start/end time
22:27:57 [janina]
jf: asking about hierarchical navigation?
22:28:57 [janina]
Silvia: WebSRT is still flexible, we can still fix shortcomings, don't know how open Ian is to that, though
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Silvia: Hierarchical nav now only possible if we use multiple files--other workarounds
22:31:27 [janina]
Geoff: Assuming these slides show what Ian has defined for WebSRT as of now, correct?
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Silvia: Yes.
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q+
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q-
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ack s
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ack j
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+Judy
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Silvia: Supports a voice ml, so can identify speaker, or a segment of music, etc
22:37:10 [janina]
Silvia: All chars are utf8, unlike previous SRT wich code use any encoding
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Silvia: Looking at use cases, video description,
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Silvia: word by word timing ...
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Link for Judy: http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide10
22:40:19 [janina]
Silvia: metadata example -- html parsable
22:40:26 [JF]
http://blog.gingertech.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WebSRT/#slide10
22:41:18 [janina]
Silvia: Jason ml would also be supported
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Silvia: Jason is for archiving databases, appreciated by large sites with many many files
22:43:57 [janina]
Silvia: Slide 12 shows ml that's currently allowed by WebSRT
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Silvia: Slide 13 showing Japanese
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Silvia: Showing positioning at right or left, as Asian languages are vertica
22:47:36 [janina]
Silvia: Currently only renders text on top of video
22:47:49 [janina]
Sean: Why not use CSS?
22:47:57 [janina]
Silvia: Don't know. Also have this concern.
22:48:20 [janina]
Silvia: I've heard Ian considered CSS too complex for this application
22:49:55 [janina]
Silvia: Slide 14 showing only available markers -- vert, horizontal, etc
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Silvia: Slide 15 -- If captioning audio, needs to be wrapped in video element, as video renders to screen, and audio does not
22:52:07 [janina]
PLH, Yes, he said he would be doing that
22:54:39 [janina]
Silvia: Next slides showing more complex rendering via css
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Silvia: Summary; Lots of potential with metadata; things missing; very capable format, though
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Silvia: Personal opinion is either works for me
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Silvia: Mozilla and others strong aversion to xml parsing
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Silvia: So prefer WebSRT for that, and other reasons
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q+
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Geoff: Interested in the arguments
22:58:39 [janina]
Silvia: Would tend to suggest all of css could be used
22:59:11 [janina]
Silvia: sibling ml wouldn't work in live captioning, or in file where interleaved with video stream
22:59:17 [kenny_j]
need to drop off now. Got to run to another meeting. Bye all.
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-Kenny_Johar
23:00:23 [janina]
Sean: So can't break into the middle of a file?
23:00:37 [janina]
Silvia: Yes, but must first pass headers
23:01:45 [janina]
Judy: Wonders whether subsetting ttml would provide what we need but avoid existing objections
23:02:08 [janina]
Silvia: Objections are pretty generally against any xml format
23:02:41 [janina]
Geoff: General comment -- Concerned that browser mfgs might be setting a11y policy in a way that isn't necessarily helpful to pwds
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q+
23:03:12 [JF]
+1 to judy's comments
23:03:28 [janina]
Judy: The bodies that set policy are empowered by our analysis -- starting from user requirements and continuing to what the formats do, and don't support
23:04:17 [Sean]
my slides are at ftp://ftp.cwmwenallt.com/ username cwmdownload password Accessibility1
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q+
23:05:12 [janina]
PHL: There's the tech discussion and the feature discussion -- Browsers may have prefs on tech direction, but features are another matter
23:05:34 [janina]
Judy: budy if we were to find some features not addressable in websrt, that would be another matter
23:05:38 [janina]
phl: agrees
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s/budy/but/
23:07:11 [janina]
Judy: Didn't our TTML discussion reveal that we could avoid some of the less comfortable technologies that browser devs wanted to avoid?
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PHL: I look at how do we move tech to meet our identified feature requirements
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Judy: So, still wondering how far a subsetting could go?
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Silvia: Don't think an xml format will be acceptable
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Silvia: We can and should point out shortcomings and say that the format is unacceptable if these shortcomings aren't fixed
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Sean: But, what's the point if we have a format that already delivers what's needed?
23:10:49 [janina]
Sean: If the devs have presented a fete accompli, what's the point?
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PLH: Both formats could meet?
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q+
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Sean: Yes, either format could meet
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q+
23:12:37 [janina]
PHL: So, if we hand off to html, they'll probably go websrt
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Sean: and we won't implement until it's a w3c req
23:14:14 [janina]
Judy: Have we articulated interoperability concerns sufficiently?
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q?
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q-
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ack j
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q-
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q+
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jf: It's a problem if we say either format can do it,
23:15:36 [janina]
jf: we really should focus on a definitive format
23:15:57 [janina]
jf: I may be wrong, but believe we need a defined, preferred format
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q+
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q+
23:16:21 [janina]
Sean: But we don't have all the dimensions of that
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Silvia: This TF shouldn't be making the decision on what is baseline and what goes into the spec
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q+
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Silvia: We can say format x is preferable because it supports these features
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Silvia: Or format y has these shortcomings
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q+ to say has my thought back
23:18:37 [janina]
Silvia: I believe it will be a useful exercise for this group to do that analyis
23:19:15 [plh]
ack sil
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ack Judy
23:19:19 [Zakim]
Judy, you wanted to say has my thought back
23:19:32 [janina]
Judy: If there were one format that objectively supported a11y better, it would be incumbant on this group to make that recommendation
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judy: Don't see that the case is yet strongly stated
23:20:48 [janina]
PHL: So, what is the timeline?
23:21:55 [janina]
PHL: It seems there are currently two different discussions, one in HTML WG and one in this TF
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zakim, mute me
23:22:36 [Zakim]
silvia should now be muted
23:22:36 [judy_]
q+
23:22:42 [janina]
jf: That's what we've started doing here
23:22:52 [plh]
q-
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23:23:44 [janina]
Geoff: My comment also on the timeline -- Now that we know TTML is a rec, and is broadly used, perhaps people will start using it while we take our time, here and in the html wg, to debate
23:24:28 [janina]
q?
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Judy: This is why we have the mega long call today
23:25:26 [janina]
PHL: Not meaning to criticize -- but we may miss opportunity if we don't move fast
23:25:44 [judy_]
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23:27:36 [silvia]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/TextFormat_Mapping_to_Requirements
23:28:50 [janina]
Now going through the format reqs looking for what ttml and srt currently support
23:28:58 [silvia]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist
23:29:04 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
23:29:04 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
23:31:02 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
23:31:02 [Zakim]
silvia should now be muted
23:31:16 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
23:31:16 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
23:32:03 [janina]
dv-14 ttml=yes websrt=no
23:32:38 [janina]
Silvia: We may rely on media nnotations for copyright -- dv-=14
23:34:03 [janina]
cn-2 ttml=yes websrt=no--not hierarchical
23:34:30 [janina]
Silvia: Suggest doing entire cn section
23:36:11 [janina]
Discussion that we should see examples of how it's done in ttml; suggesting maybe both need work
23:38:25 [janina]
JS: Already solved in DAISY which is now sync'd to epub (IDPF)
23:38:46 [janina]
Sean: Nested in ttml
23:39:23 [janina]
Sean: Am intending an example in ttml
23:39:39 [Sean]
http://www.cwmwenallt.com/ttml/ttmldemo.htm
23:40:05 [janina]
jf: how do we get an websrt example?
23:40:40 [janina]
Silvia: I will do for WebSRT
23:41:22 [Sean]
Only tested in IE9 and Firefox
23:41:55 [janina]
js: We only need two implementations right?
23:42:15 [plh]
Sean, does your page work for you right now?
23:42:56 [plh]
it seems the server is borken. I don't even get html source code out of your link
23:43:12 [janina]
jf: Two weeks? We'll not meet next week due to U.S. Thanksgiving holliday
23:43:26 [janina]
Silvia: Three probably more realistic, but will try for two
23:43:37 [janina]
Sean: Yes, have other priorities, but this one is also very important
23:44:48 [silvia]
zakim, mute me
23:44:48 [Zakim]
silvia should now be muted
23:46:49 [janina]
cn-10 multiple simoultaneous text tracks -- ttml=yes websrt=?
23:47:08 [silvia]
websrt=yes through multiple tracks
23:47:11 [janina]
cc-2 both ok
23:48:56 [janina]
cc-4 says char encoding, do we have lang attrib elsewhere?
23:49:18 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
23:49:18 [Zakim]
silvia should no longer be muted
23:50:07 [janina]
cc -- where rendered?
23:50:15 [janina]
websrt only in the viewport
23:51:17 [janina]
A current shortcoming
23:52:46 [janina]
ttml=yes
23:52:51 [silvia]
cc-5 that is
23:53:21 [janina]
cc-6 both ok
23:53:31 [janina]
cc-7 both ok
23:54:01 [silvia]
zakim, unmute me
23:54:01 [Zakim]
silvia was not muted, silvia
23:57:31 [janina]
cc-13 ttml=yes; websrt=needs info
23:59:11 [janina]
Now believe both ok