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17:01:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
17:01:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start now
17:01:25 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
17:01:25 <trackbot> Date: 16 November 2010
17:01:44 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0080.html
17:01:48 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
17:01:48 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, MacTed
17:01:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, nunolopes, Ashok, juansequeda, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:01:53 <MacTed> Zakim, this is 7322733
17:01:53 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
17:01:56 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
17:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, +49.153.6.aabb, +35385271aaaa, +1.781.273.aacc, +3539149aadd
17:02:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, nunolopes, Ashok, juansequeda, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:02:17 <MacTed> Zakim, aacc is OpenLink_Software
17:02:17 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
17:02:23 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:02:23 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:03:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aadd is nunolopes 
17:03:00 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
17:03:12 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
17:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, +49.153.6.aabb, +35385271aaaa, MacTed, nunolopes
17:03:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, nunolopes, Ashok, juansequeda, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:03:18 <boris> boris has joined #rdb2rdf
17:03:23 <Zakim> +EricP
17:03:28 <mhausenblas> Zakim, boris really is aaaa
17:03:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'boris really is aaaa', mhausenblas
17:03:33 <Zakim> +??P11
17:03:35 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is boris
17:03:35 <Zakim> +boris; got it
17:03:37 <mhausenblas> Zakim, nunolopes  really is aaaa
17:03:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'nunolopes  really is aaaa', mhausenblas
17:03:46 <mhausenblas> Zakim, nunolopes  is really aaaa
17:03:46 <Zakim> +aaaa; got it
17:03:53 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, +49.153.6.aabb, boris, MacTed, aaaa, EricP, ??P11
17:03:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, Zakim, RRSAgent, nunolopes, Ashok, juansequeda, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:03:58 <juansequeda> Zakim, ??P11 is me
17:03:58 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
17:04:24 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Richard
17:04:35 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Harry
17:04:39 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Souri
17:04:43 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Seema
17:04:53 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
17:04:58 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:04:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, +49.153.6.aabb, boris, MacTed, aaaa, EricP, juansequeda
17:05:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, Zakim, RRSAgent, nunolopes, Ashok, juansequeda, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:05:43 <Zakim> +Alexandre
17:05:45 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
17:05:58 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
17:05:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Alexandre
17:06:31 <ericP> scribe: ericP
17:06:47 <MacTed> scribenick: ericP
17:07:26 <ericP> topic: admin
17:07:27 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:07:44 <boris> +1
17:07:46 <betehess> +1
17:08:10 <ericP> APPROVED: Accept the minutes of last meeting, see http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:08:12 <mhausenblas>  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/status/2010/
17:08:14 <betehess> mhausenblas++ for his slides
17:08:27 <ericP> topic: rdb2rdf slide deck
17:08:53 <ericP> mhausenblas: useful for introduction to RD2RDF
17:08:57 <ericP> ... would like feedback
17:09:08 <juansequeda> great slides mhausenblas!
17:09:10 <ericP> Ashok: do you plan to speak in some venue?
17:09:19 <ericP> mhausenblas: no concrete plans
17:09:30 <ericP> Ashok: we should tell folks what's going on
17:09:46 <ericP> mhausenblas: my current disemination campaign is mostly via f2f or twitter
17:09:58 <ericP> ... i think this is most relevent to industrial events
17:10:11 <ericP> ... would like to engage potential clients of our technology
17:10:48 <ericP> ashok: this should enable everyone in the group to present
17:11:03 <ericP> juansequeda: what about proposing a slot at SemTech?
17:11:11 <ericP> mhausenblas: sounds like a good job for juansequeda
17:12:14 <ericP> ACTION: juansequeda to compile a list of speaking/panel opportunities for diseminating rdb2rdf work
17:12:14 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - juansequeda
17:12:19 <juansequeda> jsequeda
17:12:31 <nunolopes> Zakim, mute me
17:12:31 <Zakim> sorry, nunolopes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:12:34 <ericP> ACTION: juan to compile a list of speaking/panel opportunities for diseminating rdb2rdf work
17:12:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Compile a list of speaking/panel opportunities for diseminating rdb2rdf work [on Juan Sequeda - due 2010-11-23].
17:12:38 <mhausenblas> public-rdb2rdf-comments@w3.org
17:13:02 <ericP> topic: public comments list
17:13:27 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
17:13:32 <ericP> mhausenblas: this is the forum for public feedback (public not allowed to post to the WG list)
17:13:37 <ericP> ... folks should subscribe
17:14:00 <ericP> ... the SPARQL WG has integrated this into their formal process
17:14:11 <ericP> ... this gets more critical as we approach last call
17:14:17 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
17:14:17 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
17:14:18 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/
17:14:25 <ericP> q+ to talk about LC
17:14:44 <ericP> mhausenblas: if you see issues there, please enter them in the issue tracker
17:14:49 <betehess> RRSAgent, please draft the minutes
17:14:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html betehess
17:15:00 <ericP> ... in particular, if you are responsible for a particular area
17:15:06 <MacTed> argh.  that's very unfortunate.
17:15:07 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
17:15:07 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to talk about LC
17:15:21 <juansequeda> For those who did not know: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-comments/
17:15:30 <boris> thanks Juan
17:18:11 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-5 needs to be addressed
17:18:26 <ericP> ericP: WGs are responsible for the disposition of comments before the transition from Last Call to Candidate Rec
17:18:54 <ericP> ashok: is it typical to use bugzilla?
17:19:39 <juansequeda> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/
17:19:59 <ericP> ericP: hard to charactarize "typical", but WG's tend to create issues noted on the mailing list, and respond to commenters with links to created issue
17:20:12 <ericP> topic: FPWG of Direct Mapping
17:20:22 <mhausenblas> s/FPWG/FPWD
17:20:38 <ericP> Ashok: have folks read this? is it ready for publication?
17:20:58 <ericP> mhausenblas: editors are in the wrong order
17:21:22 <ericP> ... not sure if all issues in the document are in the issue tracker
17:22:50 <ericP> juansequeda: i think Sec 3,4,5 should be the same section
17:23:32 <betehess> if we start to do last minute changes on the document, I can tell you we won't publish
17:26:16 <Ashok> Yes, I agree
17:27:06 <MacTed> for speed sake, could just add the heading with TBD as body?
17:27:19 <ericP> mhausenblas: if we have 2.5 hierarchical tables, then i'd like to add 2.6 many-to-many
17:27:39 <ericP> s/mhausenblas/juansequeda/
17:29:28 <betehess> +1 to ashok's "very small changes"
17:29:41 <mhausenblas> q?
17:30:45 <betehess> I've seen some TODO in FPWD, I guess it's ok there too
17:31:52 <betehess> s/in FPWD/in other FPWD/
17:34:38 <ericP> mhausenblas: s/very simple direct mapping/direct mapping/
17:34:41 <ericP> Ashok: +1
17:34:59 <betehess> q+
17:35:52 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
17:36:12 <ericP> mhausenblas: should we have a reference to r2rml?
17:36:26 <ericP> ericP: from a document modularity perspective, no
17:36:32 <nunolopes> q+
17:36:38 <ericP> betehess: would be like xml ref to xhtml
17:37:00 <mhausenblas> ack nunolopes 
17:37:01 <ericP> mhausenblas: i see there's already a ref in the intro
17:37:43 <Zakim> -aaaa
17:38:17 <Zakim> +aaaa
17:38:48 <ericP> nunolopes: rule 23 is odd
17:38:52 <ericP> ericP: on it...
17:40:18 <juansequeda> Text for Section 4.3: "In this section we will define the rules to generate reference triples. The different cases include when a foreign key references a single-column or multi-column primary key of another table and when a foreign key references a single-column or multi-column candidate key of another table which may or may not have a primary key."
17:42:14 <betehess> q+
17:42:19 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
17:43:53 <betehess> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/techs.rdf
17:44:10 <ericP> q+ to propose rdb-direct-mapping
17:44:33 <ericP> mhausenblas: we need a short description of where this spec fits with others
17:44:43 <ericP> s/mhausenblas/betehess/
17:45:03 <betehess> for example:
17:45:05 <betehess> http://www.w3.org/standards/history/r2rml
17:45:11 <betehess> http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/rdfrel.html#w3c_all
17:45:13 <Ashok> rdb-direct-mapping looks good
17:46:29 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: publish ED at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ as FPWD under short name rdb-direct-mapping
17:46:39 <betehess> I need you to say rdb-direct-mapping belongs to the rdfrel group
17:46:49 <betehess> like r2rml
17:48:21 <boris> don't worry ...
17:48:35 <betehess> PROPOSAL: publish ED at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ as FPWD under short name rdb-direct-mapping, under rdfrel in http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/techs.rdf, with the short description being the abstract
17:48:48 <mhausenblas> +1
17:48:59 <betehess> +1
17:49:09 <nunolopes> +1
17:49:09 <ericP> +1
17:49:11 <boris> +1
17:49:11 <juansequeda> +1
17:49:18 <Ashok> +1
17:49:19 <MacTed> +1
17:49:30 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:49:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ashok_Malhotra, +49.153.6.aabb, boris, MacTed (muted), EricP, juansequeda, Alexandre, aaaa
17:49:30 <ericP> RESOLVED: publish ED at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ as FPWD under short name rdb-direct-mapping, under rdfrel in http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/techs.rdf, with the short description being the abstract
17:49:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, Zakim, RRSAgent, nunolopes, Ashok, juansequeda, mhausenblas, LeeF, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, trackbot, ericP
17:50:13 <ericP> mhausenblas: from here, ericP and i will deal with pubrules
17:50:38 <ericP> juansequeda: so we started on r2rml, then direct mapping, next test cases, then we iterate?
17:50:46 <ericP> Ashok: we can work in parallel
17:51:37 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/FPWD-rdb2rdf-r2rml/
17:51:41 <ericP> Ashok: from now we need to use the dated versions
17:51:57 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/FPWD-rdb-direct-mapping/
17:53:12 <betehess> q+
17:53:19 <ericP> q-
17:54:00 <betehess> q+ to help about the process + advice
17:54:13 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
17:54:13 <Zakim> betehess, you wanted to help about the process + advice
17:54:34 <ericP> ericP: we have the option of staging this in the rdb2rdf directory. do we want that?
17:55:01 <ericP> betehess: i'm ok with eric skipping the staged document
17:56:44 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to notify WG when the editor's draft is not frozen for publication
17:56:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ericP
17:56:47 <ericP> ACTION: eric to notify WG when the editor's draft is not frozen for publication
17:56:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Notify WG when the editor's draft is not frozen for publication [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2010-11-23].
17:56:47 <mhausenblas> Michael: fine with direct TR space
17:57:18 <ericP> ADJOURNED
17:57:26 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases
17:57:27 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:57:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html ericP
17:57:27 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_Test_Cases
17:57:39 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
17:57:44 <Zakim> -EricP
17:58:07 <boris> this first round of TC only have simple test cases
17:58:17 <Zakim> -Alexandre
17:58:20 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:58:21 <Zakim> -aaaa
17:58:23 <Zakim> -juansequeda
17:58:24 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:58:26 <Zakim> -boris
17:58:30 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft  minutes
17:58:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:58:39 <Zakim> - +49.153.6.aabb
17:58:40 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
17:58:42 <Zakim> Attendees were Ashok_Malhotra, +35385271aaaa, +49.153.6.aabb, +1.781.273.aacc, +3539149aadd, MacTed, EricP, boris, aaaa, juansequeda, Alexandre
17:58:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft  minutes
17:58:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:59:48 <mhausenblas> thanks a lot for scribing (and editing in parallel) ericP !
17:59:54 <mhausenblas> you're the man
17:59:58 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft  minutes
17:59:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:00:54 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
18:00:54 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:00:54 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
18:00:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:00:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
18:00:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:00:56 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
18:00:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: juansequeda to compile a list of speaking/panel opportunities for diseminating rdb2rdf work [1]
18:00:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-12-14
18:00:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: juan to compile a list of speaking/panel opportunities for diseminating rdb2rdf work [2]
18:00:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-12-34
18:00:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to notify WG when the editor's draft is not frozen for publication [3]
18:00:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-56-44
18:00:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: eric to notify WG when the editor's draft is not frozen for publication [4]
18:00:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/11/16-rdb2rdf-irc#T17-56-47