23:01:19 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y
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23:01:24 zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(A11Y)
23:01:24 ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(A11Y)6:00PM already started
23:01:30 zakim, call janina
23:01:30 ok, janina; the call is being made
23:01:32 +Janina
23:02:01 + +1.408.823.aabb
23:02:02 zakim, who's here?
23:02:03 On the phone I see +44.154.558.aaaa, Janina, +1.408.823.aabb
23:02:04 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, silvia, MikeSmith, oedipus_away, sideshow, trackbot
23:02:39 zakim, +44.154.558.aaaa is Sean_Hayes
23:02:39 +Sean_Hayes; got it
23:03:33 + +1.650.468.aacc
23:03:40 zakim, +1.408.823.aabb is Eric_Carlson
23:03:40 +Eric_Carlson; got it
23:03:50 JF has joined #html-a11y
23:04:24 zakim, +1.650.468.aacc is John_Foliot
23:04:24 +John_Foliot; got it
23:04:45 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
23:04:45 Chair: Janina_Sajka
23:04:45 agenda: this
23:04:45 agenda+ Identify Scribe
23:04:45 agenda+ Actions Review
23:04:45 agenda+ Status Updates & Brief Reports: TPAC; User Reqs;
23:04:48 agenda+ Categorization of Media A11y Requirements
23:04:50 agenda+ Technical Requirements Prioritizations and Dependencies
23:04:51 agenda+ Handling Multiple Tracks http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Oct/0520.html
23:04:53 agenda+ Candidate Formats Review Preparation: WebSRT; TTML; Others?
23:04:55 +Judy
23:04:56 agenda+ Other Business?
23:04:57 agenda+ next meeting
23:05:00 agenda+ be done
23:05:21 + +61.2.801.2.aadd
23:05:37 zakim, aadd is me
23:05:37 +silvia; got it
23:05:52 zakim, +61.2.801.2.aadd is Silvia_Pfiefer
23:05:52 sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named '+61.2.801.2.aadd'
23:05:52 zakim, mute me
23:05:53 silvia should now be muted
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23:06:03 zakim, +61.2.801.2.aadd is Silvia
23:06:03 sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named '+61.2.801.2.aadd'
23:06:29 zakim, who's here?
23:06:29 On the phone I see Sean_Hayes, Janina, Eric_Carlson, John_Foliot, Judy, silvia (muted)
23:06:31 On IRC I see frankolivier, JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, silvia, MikeSmith, oedipus_away, sideshow, trackbot
23:06:55 zakim, take up item 1
23:06:55 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from janina]
23:07:11 scribe: John_Foliot
23:07:25 scribe: jf
23:07:41 scribe: JF
23:07:57 scribe: John
23:08:12 zakim, next item
23:08:12 agendum 2. "Actions Review" taken up [from janina]
23:08:50 JS - suggest we skip over Action items so that we can focus on heavy agenda
23:08:59 zakim, next item
23:08:59 agendum 2 was just opened, janina
23:09:04 zakim, next item
23:09:04 agendum 2 was just opened, JF
23:09:06 zakim, close item 2
23:09:06 agendum 2, Actions Review, closed
23:09:08 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
23:09:10 3. Status Updates & Brief Reports: TPAC; User Reqs; [from janina]
23:09:13 zakim, next item
23:09:13 agendum 3. "Status Updates & Brief Reports: TPAC; User Reqs;" taken up [from janina]
23:09:33 JS - will be brief on status updates
23:09:44 TPAC was very eventful, managed to move things forward
23:10:00 key thing was thursday meeting on media
23:10:29 Frank categorized the requirements into 4 different buckets
23:10:40 many were UX issues
23:11:15 others related to 'tracks' - the time text format issue
23:11:23 perhaps spin that off to another WG
23:11:30 or handle seperately
23:12:08 despite wide concern of user reqs prior to TPAC, things seem to be less of a concern
23:12:21 categorization helped to defuse this
23:13:14 JF - is the splitting off of time text format a done deal?
23:13:28 JS- not yet, is a priority discussion for this group
23:14:01 Judy - has had several assurances that there was no pre-empting of this discussion/decision
23:14:20 the discussion was about modularizing how a11y / media is handled
23:14:59 however the decision has not been made
23:15:21 JS- providing a wiki of the discussions at TPAC
23:15:49 judy_ has joined #html-a11y
23:16:16 subtext of meetings showed a stron affinity for webSRT
23:17:04 number of reasons why some don't like TTML (XML issues)
23:17:20 however we should still do the gap analysis
23:17:33 need to do this soon - within the next week or 3
23:18:13 JS - 2 key decisions - are we comfortable with splitting off the discussion on time formats, and logistics around gap analysis
23:19:49 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Minuteszakim, next item
23:19:59 agenda?
23:20:07 zakim, next item
23:20:21 agendum 4. "Categorization of Media A11y Requirements" taken up [from janina]
23:20:31 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Nov/0066.html
23:20:42 JS - review Franks report
23:20:55 zakim, who's here?
23:20:55 On the phone I see Sean_Hayes, Janina, Eric_Carlson, John_Foliot, Judy, silvia (muted)
23:20:58 On IRC I see judy_, frankolivier, JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, Sean, silvia, MikeSmith, oedipus_away, sideshow, trackbot
23:21:09 take on the bigger issue first - how do people feel about splitting the time text format into a seperate group
23:21:17 SH - thinks it is a good idea
23:21:34 believes that Frank agrees - so can be taken as MS position
23:21:45 EC - I think it is a good idea as well
23:22:00 JB - think it may be good for development of the issue
23:22:28 one of the tricky things is whether the media format that is tied to HTML5 does end up being specified as a full feature baseline
23:22:42 if we don't have that, there are multiple risks for accessibility
23:22:51 not sure if they have all been documented
23:23:11 when we built out the user reqs we didn't consider spliting out at that time
23:23:31 if media format changes over time, we may have discontinuity
23:23:40 zakim, unmute me
23:23:40 silvia should no longer be muted
23:24:04 q?
23:24:12 may be very good to have the flexibility to recognize multiple formats, but if we have a baseline we need to have additional care/caution in doing that
23:24:31 zakim, mute me
23:24:32 silvia should now be muted
23:25:03 Judy notes there was some discussion of 'plugins' at a lunch-table discussionat TPAC
23:25:19 however plugins don't scale well for many users with a11y needs
23:25:35 EC - not all browsers support the same plugins
23:25:51 zakim, unmute me
23:25:51 silvia should no longer be muted
23:25:54 we are already in a situation where we don't have baseline for video and audio files (codec issue)
23:26:16 SP - this shouldn't stop us for trying for a baseline format for the text formats
23:26:27 see this as a goal to arrive at a baseline format
23:26:40 EC - agrees as well
23:26:44 [judy notes that doesn't think that modularizing is a problem by itself, but that it requires extra consideration for a number of interoperability issues]
23:26:44 JF +1
23:27:16 JB: agree that this is an issue, but can we get out of that "well"
23:27:32 there was general agreement that modularization is a good way forward
23:27:33 zakim, mute me
23:27:33 silvia should now be muted
23:28:07 SH: has already found instances of