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16:49:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
16:49:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
16:49:16 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:49:16 <trackbot> Date: 09 November 2010
16:49:21 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0047.html
16:49:28 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
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16:56:43 <mhausenblas> hey Ashok - will you be on the phone as well or IRC-only?
16:57:26 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
16:57:41 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
16:57:41 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
16:57:58 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:57:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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16:58:09 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:58:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:58:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
16:58:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, Marcelo, MacTed, LeeF, mhausenblas, betehess, trackbot, iv_an_ru, ericP
16:59:35 <mhausenblas> present+ Marcelo
16:59:39 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
16:59:43 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
16:59:52 <mhausenblas> present+ Thomas R
17:00:49 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:00:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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17:01:44 <mhausenblas> present+ juansequeda 
17:01:51 <mhausenblas> present+ MacTed
17:01:54 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
17:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:01:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see juansequeda, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, Marcelo, MacTed, LeeF, mhausenblas, betehess, trackbot, iv_an_ru, ericP
17:01:59 <MacTed> Zakim, what's the code?
17:01:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MacTed
17:02:03 <MacTed> hm.
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17:02:26 <MacTed> Zakim, this is 7322733
17:02:26 <Zakim> MacTed, this was already SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
17:02:27 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
17:02:34 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
17:02:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:02:37 <MacTed> drats.
17:02:38 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
17:02:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, juansequeda, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, Marcelo, MacTed, LeeF, mhausenblas, betehess, trackbot, iv_an_ru, ericP
17:02:41 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
17:02:51 <betehess> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:02:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html betehess
17:03:00 <mhausenblas> scribenick: betehess 
17:03:15 <mhausenblas> present+ Souri
17:03:24 <mhausenblas> present+ boris 
17:03:32 <mhausenblas> present+ ericP 
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17:03:49 <betehess> present+ Alexandre
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17:04:00 <hhalpin> hhalpin has changed the topic to: RDB2RDF Meeting Nov 9th
17:04:51 <mhausenblas> present+ Seema 
17:04:58 <mhausenblas> present+ hhalpin 
17:05:06 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0047.html
17:05:37 <betehess> mhausenblas, first we go to the minutes of the last meeting
17:05:45 <betehess> TOPIC: admin
17:05:47 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2010/10/26-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:06:00 <betehess> mhausenblas, any comment?
17:06:09 <hhalpin> +1
17:06:20 <betehess> mhausenblas, minutes approved
17:06:45 <betehess> TOPIC: default mapping
17:07:04 <betehess> mhausenblas, I sent the links to the two documents yesterday
17:07:15 <betehess> mhausenblas, tlr is gonna talk there
17:07:40 <betehess> tlr: thanks for letting me joinging the calk
17:07:53 <mhausenblas> s/joinging/joining
17:07:56 <betehess> ... RDB2RDF if part of my domain
17:08:22 <betehess> ... I'm glad we have the WD for r2rml
17:08:45 <betehess> ... and it's great that people work together (seeing the ML)
17:08:57 <betehess> ... but I'm concern about the default mapping
17:09:23 <betehess> ... I hope there will be a way to see this default mapping
17:09:32 <betehess> ... thanks Juan, Marcelo and Eric about tha
17:09:36 <betehess> s/tha/that
17:10:31 <betehess> mhausenblas: we just delayed a bit the default mapping to focus on r2rml before TPAC
17:11:08 <betehess> ... now, I'd like the 2 editing teams to present their work
17:11:24 <betehess> ... please note the document MUST be *complete*
17:11:37 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directGraph/
17:11:54 <betehess> ... richard contributed quite a lot to this one
17:12:02 <betehess> ... unfortunately he is not around
17:12:19 <betehess> ... what's the status there?
17:12:37 <hhalpin> q+
17:12:37 <betehess> ericP: I've offered to merge in this document
17:12:46 <hhalpin> q- hhalpin
17:13:27 <betehess> mhausenblas: it's your document, without Juan and Marcelo bits?
17:13:32 <betehess> ericP: yes
17:13:46 <betehess> ... it follows the typical W3C structure
17:13:56 <betehess> ... chapt 1 is an introduction
17:14:08 <betehess> ... chap 2 is an informative section
17:14:20 <betehess> ... introduces about what's happening
17:14:34 <betehess> ... the normative section would be less friendly
17:14:55 <betehess> ... there is a bit of DDL, describing the database
17:15:09 <betehess> ... then you see the Direct Graph, resulting from the mapping
17:15:20 <betehess> ... I have to remove a section 
17:15:43 <betehess> ... then I explain how to generate triple from a SQL row
17:16:10 <betehess> ... I believe it's good to provide URIs ready for Linked Data
17:16:21 <betehess> ... even if it wasn't explicitly required
17:16:34 <betehess> ... then I go into tricky cases
17:16:53 <betehess> ... involving FK, PK, etc.
17:17:09 <betehess> ... then about structural table
17:17:44 <betehess> ... I try to model the Direct Graph so it reflect the hierachical table
17:18:01 <Souri> You can have emp/manager relationship, where fkey=pkey (self-loop)
17:18:04 <betehess> ... but someone told me it wasn't totally good
17:18:15 <betehess> ... that's an issue I have to solve
17:18:31 <Souri> q+
17:18:43 <betehess> ... what if the FK has the same col as the PK but in a different order?
17:18:57 <betehess> ack next
17:19:30 <betehess> Souri: you're trying to deal with normalized table, right?
17:19:52 <betehess> ... so we would like to have the same URI here
17:19:57 <betehess> ericP: yes
17:20:17 <MacTed> q+
17:20:48 <betehess> Souri: all the groups of tables needs the same URI as a subject
17:21:40 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
17:21:56 <betehess> MacTed: all that stuff is beyond the Direct Mapping
17:21:57 <Souri> q+
17:22:12 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
17:22:41 <betehess> ericP: another issue with many-to-many
17:22:52 <betehess> ... it's documented and is discussed on the ML
17:23:08 <betehess> ... then I use a set notation
17:23:50 <betehess> ... remark: if you go over cells in the table, you'll see the relation with generated triple
17:24:21 <betehess> ... section 3, I use boring set notations
17:24:32 <betehess> ... then the definitions for the mapping
17:25:18 <betehess> ... next section is non normative (copy the RDF spec)
17:25:30 <betehess> ... then I explain how to go from RDB to RDF
17:25:32 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directGraph/alt
17:25:42 <betehess> mhausenblas: then Juan and Marcelo
17:25:55 <betehess> juansequeda: we have a similar intro
17:26:11 <betehess> ... section 2 is one the biggest difference
17:26:26 <betehess> ... the mapping is in 2 sub sections
17:26:41 <betehess> ... first the URIs and then the Triple
17:26:59 <betehess> ... because we think it's complicated
17:27:12 <betehess> ... we don't have strong feelings about the notations
17:27:23 <betehess> ... tried to answer richard's comments
17:27:42 <hhalpin> Notes there are minor diffs between IRI generation in Eric and J&M document, but these can easily be reconciled - likely the result of text changing in one draft and not another.
17:27:54 <betehess> ... we compile the exceptions inside this rule
17:27:56 <hhalpin> i.e. a reason to converge drafts :) 
17:27:59 <betehess> ... in 2.3
17:28:19 <betehess> ... all the rules are compile into Triple(...)
17:28:34 <betehess> ... section 3
17:28:52 <betehess> ... this is where we define the semantics
17:29:02 <betehess> ... using datalog rules
17:29:26 <betehess> ... we have to define where the section 3 should be
17:29:59 <betehess> ... we want to keep the Default Mapping as simple as possible
17:30:23 <betehess> mhausenblas: we can put that in notes when we'll have one document
17:30:31 <betehess> ... thanks again to the editors
17:30:41 <betehess> ... it seems the diff is not too big
17:30:47 <ericP> i did get feedback from mike stonebraker and he also said he prefers to not see many-to-many
17:30:47 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html
17:30:56 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0057.html
17:31:11 <betehess> ... (based on the emails above)
17:31:12 <Ashok> We can create issues for the M-M mapping ang hierarchical tables
17:31:24 <Ashok> s/ang/and/
17:31:25 <hhalpin> q+
17:31:43 <betehess> juansequeda: +1 for for easy merging
17:32:10 <betehess> Ashok: is it Eric's + datalog rules?
17:32:42 <betehess> juansequeda: we want to generate the generation of URIs and then the mapping rules
17:32:48 <betehess> Ashok: it's a good idea
17:33:05 <mhausenblas> ack hhalpin 
17:33:16 <Souri> q+
17:33:22 <hhalpin> go for souri first, i'm muted
17:33:25 <juansequeda> hello harry?
17:33:30 <mhausenblas> ack Souri 
17:33:38 <hhalpin> ah, unmuted now.
17:33:43 <hhalpin> q+ hhalpin
17:33:46 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
17:34:06 <betehess> Souri: I found J&M's section 2 easy to read
17:34:48 <betehess> hhalpin: we really need one document
17:35:00 <betehess> ... ericP did a good job, especially on the example
17:35:17 <betehess> ... but found the URI generation easier to follow
17:36:02 <betehess> ... no single individual should ever edit a document by himself
17:36:23 <betehess> mhausenblas: let's create a new document
17:36:38 <betehess> ... copying the content
17:36:38 <mhausenblas> PROPSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/defaultMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's propsal
17:37:05 <ericP> q+
17:37:16 <betehess> ericP: 2 things
17:37:18 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
17:37:32 <betehess> ... I should add Alexandre as an editor for the formalism
17:37:40 <betehess> ... I'd propose to call it Direct Mapping
17:37:42 <mhausenblas> PROPSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/defaultMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal and have the IRI section explicit
17:37:50 <MacTed> +1 "directMapping" (not defaultMapping)
17:38:06 <betehess> ... especially cause we speak about the Direct Graph being the result of the Direct Mapping
17:38:08 <MacTed> +1 for proposal otherwise
17:38:30 <betehess> ... to avoid confusion with Default Graph in r2rml
17:38:39 <mhausenblas> PROPSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal and have the IRI section explicit
17:39:17 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directGraph/#iris
17:39:46 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and have the IRI section explicit
17:39:56 <betehess> ericP: here is the section about how I generate IRIs
17:40:15 <betehess> mhausenblas: ericP added that recently based on feedbacks
17:40:36 <hhalpin> Let's put hierarchical tables as an open issue
17:40:47 <hhalpin> there is clearly disagreement in the WG over this example.
17:40:51 <betehess> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:40:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html betehess
17:41:13 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and have the IRI section explicit, move hierarchical table and the M-M mappings into Ed note
17:41:15 <betehess> mhausenblas: the WG has to discuss this issue
17:41:42 <betehess> Ashok: the document will have the datalogs rules
17:41:42 <hhalpin> I think as an option.
17:42:01 <betehess> ... per richard's proposal
17:42:21 <mhausenblas> Michael: yes, we should create issues for both  hierarchical table and M-M mappings 
17:42:24 <betehess> mhausenblas: so we add it in the document as an issue
17:42:39 <hhalpin> key word "can live with" :)
17:42:50 <betehess> juansequeda: something has to be changed
17:42:53 <betehess> ... in 2.2
17:43:06 <betehess> ... @@
17:43:06 <hhalpin> q+ hhalpin
17:43:28 <hhalpin> ack hhalpin
17:43:34 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directGraph/#reference_triple  ?
17:43:37 <MacTed> it seems we can take it as given that "the overall document must be edited to make the merged sections fit/make sense"?
17:43:52 <betehess> hhalpin: I would be a consensus on the text, not formalisms
17:44:01 <betehess> s/would be/would like
17:44:35 <ericP> q+ to address iris section
17:44:51 <betehess> ... we're not talking about adding datalog but more the description of IRIs sections
17:45:02 <betehess> ... I believe it's clearer
17:45:05 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
17:45:05 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to address iris section
17:45:12 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directGraph/#iris
17:45:27 <betehess> ericP: I believe I *have* the IRIs section
17:45:38 <hhalpin> to clarify, I'm saying that 2.2 is as is difficult to read, and I think Juan and Marcelo's section  2.2 and 2.3
17:45:45 <betehess> ... which richard proposed to re;ove
17:47:07 <betehess> mhausenblas: it doesn't harmed to have this ection
17:47:20 <betehess> ... then we can ask the community later
17:47:24 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and have the IRI section explicit, move hierarchical table and the M-M mappings into Ed note
17:47:44 <tlr> I think co-author is the thing you want, Eric.
17:48:21 <hhalpin> q+
17:48:40 <mhausenblas> ack hhalpin 
17:49:15 <MacTed> q+
17:49:24 <mhausenblas> q?
17:49:45 <betehess> hhalpin: I leave the question of adding Alexandre in the hands of the chairs
17:50:07 <hhalpin> and we generally want more than one editor as editors often flake :)
17:50:14 <betehess> ericP: traditionally, someone brings something and the the chairs chose
17:50:14 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
17:50:43 <ericP> +1
17:52:29 <betehess> Ashok: what about the datalog rules?
17:53:05 <betehess> mhausenblas: does it impact the direct mapping?
17:53:10 <betehess> Ashok: it doesn't
17:53:17 <betehess> ... I just would like it to be present
17:53:36 <betehess> mhausenblas: I propose that after the call, the 3 editors make the merge
17:53:47 <betehess> ... with the goal to published next week
17:53:49 <MacTed> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and have the IRI section explicit; move hierarchical table and the M-M mappings into Ed note; datalog rules replace scala rules (under button control); Eric perform merge with review/approval/consensus of Juan, Marcelo, & Eric
17:53:50 <MacTed>  for final product...
17:53:57 <betehess> ericP: I just need 2 hours
17:54:04 <hhalpin> q+
17:54:20 <betehess> Ashok: you'll have one document, with issues in it
17:54:25 <betehess> ... after that, we can vote
17:54:38 <ericP> +1
17:54:48 <ericP> (to MacTed's proposal)
17:55:02 <hhalpin> s/have the IRI section explicit/try to work in J&M's IRI and Triple generations part/
17:55:47 <betehess> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:55:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html betehess
17:56:00 <MacTed> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and try to work in J&M's IRI and Triple generations part; move hierarchical table and the M-M mappings into Ed note; datalog rules replace scala rules (under button control); Eric perform merge with review/approval/consensus of
17:56:00 <MacTed>  Juan, Marcelo, & Eric for final product...
17:56:26 <betehess> mhausenblas: any objection?
17:56:37 <MacTed> +1
17:56:41 <mhausenblas> +1
17:56:48 <juansequeda> +2
17:56:53 <Marcelo> +1
17:56:54 <betehess> q+
17:56:55 <hhalpin> +1
17:56:55 <juansequeda> I meant +1
17:56:59 <boris> +1
17:57:48 <mhausenblas> ack betehess 
17:58:50 <hhalpin> I'm happy with two separate sections, or buttons.
17:58:56 <betehess> ericP: Ashok's proposal is not to add an entire section
17:59:05 <betehess> ... but to put that insterad  of scala
17:59:10 <betehess> Ashok: exactly!
17:59:22 <betehess> ... ericP, let J and M doing it
18:00:28 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and try to work in J&M's IRI and Triple generations part; move hierarchical table and the M-M mappings into Ed note; datalog as a separate section; Eric perform merge with review/approval/consensus of
18:00:43 <juansequeda> +1
18:00:45 <Marcelo> +1
18:00:48 <mhausenblas> +1
18:00:52 <MacTed> +1
18:00:52 <hhalpin> +1
18:00:58 <boris> +1
18:01:16 <betehess> +1
18:01:33 <betehess> mhausenblas: hopefully, we have a FPWD next week
18:01:40 <betehess> ... thanks a lot everyone again
18:01:47 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
18:01:49 <betehess> RRSAgent, dreaft minutes
18:01:49 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'dreaft minutes', betehess.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:01:54 <betehess> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:01:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html betehess
18:01:55 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html tlr
18:02:08 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:02:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html ericP
18:02:17 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
18:02:30 <MacTed> RESOLUTION: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and try to work in J&M's IRI and Triple generations part; move hierarchical table and the M-M mappings into Ed note; datalog as a separate section; Eric perform merge with review/approval/consensus of Juan, Marcelo, & Eric for
18:02:31 <MacTed>  final
18:02:33 <MacTed> :-)
18:02:54 <MacTed> scribenick: MacTed
18:02:54 <betehess> yes?
18:02:56 <hhalpin> scribenick: MacTed
18:03:02 <MacTed> RESOLUTION: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/ with Juan, Marcelo and Eric as editors based on Richard's proposal as of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2010Nov/0052.html and try to work in J&M's IRI and Triple generations part; move hierarchical table and the M-M mappings into Ed note; datalog as a separate section; Eric perform merge with review/approval/consensus of Juan, Marcelo, & Eric for
18:03:03 <MacTed>  final
18:03:11 <MacTed> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:03:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html MacTed
18:03:57 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
18:05:28 <mhausenblas> trackbot, get lost
18:05:28 <trackbot> Sorry, mhausenblas, I don't understand 'trackbot, get lost'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
18:05:37 <hhalpin> trackbot, go find a hobby
18:05:37 <trackbot> Sorry, hhalpin, I don't understand 'trackbot, go find a hobby'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
18:05:49 <mhausenblas> trackbot, women
18:05:49 <trackbot> Sorry, mhausenblas, I don't understand 'trackbot, women'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
18:05:52 <mhausenblas> me neither
18:06:03 <hhalpin> +1 trackbot
18:06:10 <mhausenblas> ok, enough fun  - thanks guys
18:06:48 <mhausenblas> ScribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics
18:06:54 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:06:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:07:13 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye
18:07:13 <Zakim> Zakim has left #rdb2rdf
18:07:17 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, bye
18:07:17 <RRSAgent> I see no action items